We won the league in 08/09 with a fearsome front 4 but with only 68 goals. But we also went 3 months without conceding. We need to sort out a solid base first.
Will we score 50 league goals this season?
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That was a really sluggish season in a lot of ways which is a strange thing to say considering we were pretty close to a quadruple but the quality of football compared to the previous two seasons was a big big fall. Berbatov took a lot of the blame and his goal tally wasn't great but we just weren't firing all that well during that season. Situations with Tevez and Ronaldo didn't help.
The following year I think we got 86 goals so it was back to normal in some ways. Most Sir Alex seasons in the premier league we usually hit 70+ goals, often hitting 80+.
It's very rare to win the league with that few goals, you need an all-time great defence or be set up like Mourinho style playing for 0-0s. Nobody has won the league scoring fewer than 70 goals since Leicester 7 years ago. Only 2 of the last 17 league winners have scored fewer than 70 goals and only 4 of the last 17 league winners have scored fewer than 80 goals, so scoring more goals is a priority to compete.
Of course not and I am fed up pretending we are still a top6 team when we’re clearly not.
We'll finish in the top 6 you bore
We have Bruno creating the most chances in Europe every season, Rashford and 2 players who cost a total of approximately £150m in our front 4. The return on our investment is not there, because you’d expect around 70 goals at least with that group of attackers.
Antony has never been a big goal threat, Hojlund is completely unproven. Nothing to suggest you'd expect 70 goals from them other than cost.
We will easily get 50. Might be a struggle to reach 60 but I think we'll get there. Hojlund, Bruno and Rashford will improve their output, probably Garnacho, Ericksen and Martial as well. Amad and Mount may even add a few.
The offence will improve immensely as the defence and midfield return to health and learn to play solidly together again.
Excuse butting in…. how sure are you?
Will score 50 and concede 50.
Very, and it's not even optimistic
That's still not really good enough either though for a club like United. I really want EtH to succeed here but it's tiresome that we've had a decade of mostly really shite football, often laboring to wins or just seeing games out. At this rate we're probably going to have yet another season of poor goal difference and disappointing goals scored.
I just really miss that ruthlessness of our teams of old even when our defence was terrible (01-02 season for example).
Ok, think we can safely assume City Pool and Arse are virtual certs to finish top 4
leaving the obvious 6 to battle it out for the remaining 3 places….
Newc
Utd
Spurs
Villa
Chelsea
Brighton
Which clubs do you think Utd will ‘definitely’ finish higher than?
We probably will, but the problem is that we've kept only two clean sheets (three including the League Cup) so far as well
No guarantee at all Liverpool and Arsenal finish above Utd, we're shit at the min - things change. Heard it all last season too.
Gave up my ST that year. LVG bored me to death but also I started driving and it was either pay insurance or ST and if I'm being honest it was a no brainer choice.
People genuinely sleeping during the games.
We'll score less than all of them. Doubt we'll finish above any.
You’d get long odds Utd finishing higher than Liverpool or Arsenal
Not particularly long odds. I bet for a living. It's less likely to happen I agree, but it can.
You got far bigger odds after we lost to Brentford last year, and we comfortably finished ahead of liverpool. Different times, just an example.
Fair enough that’s your opinion. Personally think this Utd team is about as bad as I’ve seen seen since SAF.
It's hard to fathom just how pathetic we have been so far. I'd say we will get 50 goals which is still insanely bad.
I said all summer we will be fecked in terms of goalscoring. It was clear as day Rashford wouldn't repeat last year as that was obviously a purple patch. Essentially we purposely went into this season with little to no prospect of being able to increase on our already pitiful goal tally.
Disgraceful planning by the club.
We should really buy Ivan Toney in Jan and then maybe try play him and Hojlund together. Least we might start to bully some defenses. Our wingers are mostly a waste of space so it's worth a try to play two strikers.
I said all summer we will be fecked in terms of goalscoring. It was clear as day Rashford wouldn't repeat last year as that was obviously a purple patch. Essentially we purposely went into this season with little to no prospect of being able to increase on our already pitiful goal tally.
Disgraceful planning by the club.
We should really buy Ivan Toney in Jan and then maybe try play him and Hojlund together. Least we might start to bully some defenses. Our wingers are mostly a waste of space so it's worth a try to play two strikers.
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It's not a top team.
Villa and Brighton both likly to go deep in Europe. Will Newcastle get distracted? Is Spurs a new manager bounce run? Arsenal are flattering to deceive on results so far.
So many things can change. Utd are far more like to come 6th and up than otherwise, that's my point here- will stop there!
Current odds suggest we're around 42% likely to finish top 6.
I feel like we had a negative goal difference since forever.
I agree it's not good enough. But, sometimes you have to take a step back to move forward.
I'm glad we picked up Hojlund. He will be playing well for us for the next decade. If he doesn't move to Madrid or Barcelona, Garnacho could also be very successful here for a long time. We'll suffer a bit while they develop. But, I would much rather that than another Casemiro type signing at striker where we spend a fortune to improve for a year or two and then are right back where we started at they rapidly age out.
I just don't understand how we still don't have ANYBODY to play right wing after all the money we have thrown at the position. I really hope Amad pans out in that position.
Stick McTominay upfront and we should breach the century no problem. We will still have a -25 GD though.
Probably not.
Which is why the only transfer we needed to make certain of last summer was kane.
Goalie, Mount, YTS striker? All nice, but it was essential we got someone who could give us 30 goals and assits.
Take all the new players out, put Kane in last years team, and we would be better than now. And yes, with the money we spent on those players, we could have afforded kane and his wages. There is a reason Neville expected him to sign for us.
Which is why the only transfer we needed to make certain of last summer was kane.
Goalie, Mount, YTS striker? All nice, but it was essential we got someone who could give us 30 goals and assits.
Take all the new players out, put Kane in last years team, and we would be better than now. And yes, with the money we spent on those players, we could have afforded kane and his wages. There is a reason Neville expected him to sign for us.
The away game to Leicester (late November/early December) was a top of the table clash, it ended 1-1, I think we'd have gone first if it was a win. Very soon after that was the awful awful run of games that lasted till Jan.
quarter of the way through the season on 11 goals, so it’s touch and go.
just looking at the table and it’s worrying when you see that West Ham and Brentford have scored more goals than you. Really worrying. Wolves are on par with us and this is a team that is notorious for not scoring goals. Bad times.
Lack of ambition in summer costing us.
just looking at the table and it’s worrying when you see that West Ham and Brentford have scored more goals than you. Really worrying. Wolves are on par with us and this is a team that is notorious for not scoring goals. Bad times.
Lack of ambition in summer costing us.
Let me remind you that this so called attacking and creative firepower have scored 3 goals so far between them.
Goals are for egos
This season is doing the same thing for me.
Yes, 50 goal of the month contenders.
I can't see 50 league goals in this team, unless we get in a top striker in January.
Personally I think ECL qualification will be a struggle.
Personally I think ECL qualification will be a struggle.
This all comes back to the midfield and injuries. Sort both to a decent level and we'll easily hit 50 goals but there's no balance in how we play and we really need to grow up as a team and move on from being so reliant on one or two players.
I was looking back at the stats from the 2019/2020 season.
Martial - 23 goals
Rashford - 22 goals
Greenwood - 17 goals
I remember thinking the front-line was sorted for years to come. It's really sad that for various reasons all 3 have sunk so far so fast. Rashford and Martial were beyond disappointing against Newcastle.
Martial - 23 goals
Rashford - 22 goals
Greenwood - 17 goals
I remember thinking the front-line was sorted for years to come. It's really sad that for various reasons all 3 have sunk so far so fast. Rashford and Martial were beyond disappointing against Newcastle.
We’re still on track for 46 goals.
And no mattet how it sounds this is a very likely prediction. Minus goals scored as we are in 46ish zone