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Just seen this online...

New expansion "Battle for Azeroth" announced. Say what you will about Blizzard, they make a decent cinematic...

Blizzard finally caving in a having a vanilla option. I'm more interested in this than the expansion! Might have to re-sub!
 

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Cant wait!

I've played since vanilla so the classic servers could bring back some good memories and the new expansion looks decent too.

I'm just waiting to see class info while mulling over what to play in Battle for Azeroth.

Nobody can do trailers like Blizzard, this Warcraft and the new Overwatch one are incredible, they need to do a full length animation movie.
 

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Blizzard finally caving in a having a vanilla option. I'm more interested in this than the expansion! Might have to re-sub!
They should bring out FIFA 95-2005

And call it FIFA DECADE
 

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New expansion looks underwhelming thematically, but then again, so did Legion with it's hitting of the Illidan Emergency Button, and it's actually one of (if not the) best expansions WoW has ever seen.

Vanilla announcement is cool. I'll revisit the leveling experience, but past that, I can't see myself playing it much.

Honestly, all I wanted (and still want) is a release date announcement for Antorus. There's a limit to how often I can keep farming ToS M :lol:

They should bring out FIFA 95-2005

And call it FIFA DECADE
I mean, EA did already do that with C&C.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b1/Cnctfd-win-cover.jpg
 

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Their numbers must be dropping significantly. They've said for years they'd never consider a classic server.
 

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How did i only just see this today.... I usually play the first month or 2 of the bew expansions then quit again after getting my fiz, havent played long term since MoP having started in classic.

Very tenpting to start gettin hyped up again
 

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I mean with the new engine though.

United treble winners va arsenal invicibles vs chelsea 2004 vs real madrid 3 european cups vs bayern, etc. Would be great
Ahh right. Indeed, that does sound pretty cool!

Their numbers must be dropping significantly. They've said for years they'd never consider a classic server.
Still at 4m+ subs if I had to guess. The playerbase is the most stable I've seen it for a long, long time.

I always called BS on the "Never going to release vanilla" quotes. When it makes business sense to do something, ActiBlizz are always going to do it when the time is right. No idea why anyone thought otherwise, honestly.
 

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Is it going to be pure vanilla or is it going to be identical game mechanics and world with modern graphics?
 

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Just seen this online...

New expansion "Battle for Azeroth" announced. Say what you will about Blizzard, they make a decent cinematic...

Blizzard finally caving in a having a vanilla option. I'm more interested in this than the expansion! Might have to re-sub!
What do people say about Blizzard? As far as gaming companies go, they're up with the best whether it be customer satisfaction or, as you say, brilliant content. The Overwatch cinematics are amazing.
 

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Took them long enough with the van release, defo will play it again. Christ, I think I was 11 or 12 when I first played WoW in 2005, this game was absolutely fantastic back then and my English proficiency was massively improved thanks to it.
 

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Is it going to be pure vanilla or is it going to be identical game mechanics and world with modern graphics?
Pure Vanilla. "We're going to create Authentic Vanilla, for better and for worst". I'm excited.
 

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I might...
 

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I only started in TBC but that game took my breath away and no game I have played has come close to the perfection of it.

I'll definitely get into vanilla when it's eventually released as I never got to experience myself so definitely looking forward to it
 

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Watching those two vids makes me want to get back into plyaing wow....been years since I played...would be nice to start over....get into a guild and finish each game/expansion....I hear you level super fast these days?
 

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Just seen this online...

New expansion "Battle for Azeroth" announced. Say what you will about Blizzard, they make a decent cinematic...

Blizzard finally caving in a having a vanilla option. I'm more interested in this than the expansion! Might have to re-sub!

Whats the deal with bringing vanilla servers back? If I started all over, I wouldnt start in the original game areas?
 

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Nice addition. But I'll say it'll get boring soon.

Vanilla wow (assuming they don't change it) is mostly nostalgic. The game play itself is tedious and grueling.

On top of my head:
No flying.
No lfr/lfg
No instant que
Hunters still uses quiver and have to have arrows to shoot
Long travel time, mostly walking
40 men raid. We barely have 20 for mythic these days.
No multispec, you have to respec back to capital
Shit and one dimensional loot

Unless they bring the new world into the server it really is a nostalgic novelty.
 

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Which patch vanilla are they going to release at?
Anyway i'd be curious to try it, probably get bored after 2 hours but hey-ho.
 

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Nice addition. But I'll say it'll get boring soon.

Vanilla wow (assuming they don't change it) is mostly nostalgic. The game play itself is tedious and grueling.

On top of my head:
No flying.
No lfr/lfg
No instant que
Hunters still uses quiver and have to have arrows to shoot
Long travel time, mostly walking
40 men raid. We barely have 20 for mythic these days.
No multispec, you have to respec back to capital
Shit and one dimensional loot

Unless they bring the new world into the server it really is a nostalgic novelty.
To play devil's advocate:

Flying totally kills the sense of danger and makes the gamewold seem so much smaller.

Lfg/lfr killed the need for there to be a server community in order to play the game.

Hunters should use arrows and have a quiver.

Walking makes the game huge and dangerous.

The only people who'll bother to get to max level on these classic servers will all want to raid. It'll be easier than it was.

Changing spec should be a big deal. You'll be hanging around a city trying to get a group anyway.

Having to get specific loot e.g. frost resist was all part of the fun. Lengendaries dropping off of random mobs makes no sense.
 

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To play devil's advocate:

Flying totally kills the sense of danger and makes the gamewold seem so much smaller.

Lfg/lfr killed the need for there to be a server community in order to play the game.

Hunters should use arrows and have a quiver.

Walking makes the game huge and dangerous.

The only people who'll bother to get to max level on these classic servers will all want to raid. It'll be easier than it was.

Changing spec should be a big deal. You'll be hanging around a city trying to get a group anyway.

Having to get specific loot e.g. frost resist was all part of the fun. Lengendaries dropping off of random mobs makes no sense.
In a sense, let's see how long you last without all those conveniences. Although I believe it'll be vanilla flavor , instead of actually vanilla.

The problem is without flying you'd be really going to spend 30 minutes walking to the dungeon, and that's assuming you can find a group in a very small pool of server without the LFG, not to mention finding replacement means you have to actually wait for 30 minutes for them to get to where you are. I'm not sure people will stay in there long enough to make it sustainable other than for nostalgic shits and giggle

Back then we don't argue and complain because we never had flying in the first place, now that we have....
 

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In a sense, let's see how long you last without all those conveniences. Although I believe it'll be vanilla flavor , instead of actually vanilla.

The problem is without flying you'd be really going to spend 30 minutes walking to the dungeon, and that's assuming you can find a group in a very small pool of server without the LFG, not to mention finding replacement means you have to actually wait for 30 minutes for them to get to where you are. I'm not sure people will stay in there long enough to make it sustainable other than for nostalgic shits and giggle

Back then we don't argue and complain because we never had flying in the first place, now that we have....
That's why god invented warlocks and meeting stones!

If I do re-sub (I probably will for a month or 2 at least) I can certainly see myself using the Vanilla character only once in a while, I don't think the flying/group finding will bother me as much as the little shit like having to loot mobs individually (and no auto-loot!).

LFG/LFR is great for actually seeing the content but there's not really much fun in it, you don't care about the people you are with and it's so easy there is zero challenge.

There's tens of thousands of people regularly playing illegal, private servers of vanilla wow and I sure many more will play these official "classic" servers.

Of course there will be complaining, it's the internet.
 

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In a sense, let's see how long you last without all those conveniences. Although I believe it'll be vanilla flavor , instead of actually vanilla.

The problem is without flying you'd be really going to spend 30 minutes walking to the dungeon, and that's assuming you can find a group in a very small pool of server without the LFG, not to mention finding replacement means you have to actually wait for 30 minutes for them to get to where you are. I'm not sure people will stay in there long enough to make it sustainable other than for nostalgic shits and giggle

Back then we don't argue and complain because we never had flying in the first place, now that we have....
I agree. It's not worth having a server, it's just super nostalgic stuff.

I remember when I first played nearly 10 years ago, I was laid off work for 6 weeks and needed something to fill my time. I started off as a Druid in Duskwood and spent about 2 weeks pissing about there not having a clue what gear I should wear and how to level. Eventually a guild picked me up and I got going a bit quicker.

Then I was invited on a walk to the other continent. "It will take a few hours". I thought they were joking. Off we set and they guided me all the way, we spoke a bit on the way but it was mostly them killing things and letting me loot. I think I made about 2 gold on my way over there and it felt like a fortune to me. Eventually we'd arrived in Dun Morogh, through Searing Gorge, Burning Steppes and Elywnn Forest before I found myself in Goldshire and it was beautiful after being in the hazy dim Duskwood for so long. Like arriving in something from a Steinbeck novel.


That's the sort of thing I'm nostalgic about but there is absolutely no way you can recreate that magic. If I did that walk again I'd be bored after 5 minutes.
 

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That's why god invented warlocks and meeting stones!

If I do re-sub (I probably will for a month or 2 at least) I can certainly see myself using the Vanilla character only once in a while, I don't think the flying/group finding will bother me as much as the little shit like having to loot mobs individually (and no auto-loot!).

LFG/LFR is great for actually seeing the content but there's not really much fun in it, you don't care about the people you are with and it's so easy there is zero challenge.

There's tens of thousands of people regularly playing illegal, private servers of vanilla wow and I sure many more will play these official "classic" servers.

Of course there will be complaining, it's the internet.
Meeting stones aren't in vanilla :P

It's just a novelty I guess, more like a sidetrack. Hey, no complain, if it's free and you enjoy it by all means. I'll probably spent a few hours before find it tedious and getting back to my normal account. I'm just guessing what I think will happen.
 

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I agree. It's not worth having a server, it's just super nostalgic stuff.

I remember when I first played nearly 10 years ago, I was laid off work for 6 weeks and needed something to fill my time. I started off as a Druid in Duskwood and spent about 2 weeks pissing about there not having a clue what gear I should wear and how to level. Eventually a guild picked me up and I got going a bit quicker.

Then I was invited on a walk to the other continent. "It will take a few hours". I thought they were joking. Off we set and they guided me all the way, we spoke a bit on the way but it was mostly them killing things and letting me loot. I think I made about 2 gold on my way over there and it felt like a fortune to me. Eventually we'd arrived in Dun Morogh, through Searing Gorge, Burning Steppes and Elywnn Forest before I found myself in Goldshire and it was beautiful after being in the hazy dim Duskwood for so long. Like arriving in something from a Steinbeck novel.


That's the sort of thing I'm nostalgic about but there is absolutely no way you can recreate that magic. If I did that walk again I'd be bored after 5 minutes.
Ah.. Vanilla. I spent hours farming with my ice mage for cloths, and when I finally get my vanilla fast mount (cough... a skeletal horse) with 100% run speed I'm so happy.

There's no itemization back then, it's just an X Int / X Spirit or X Int / Y Stam, and that's all. Most of the stats we know today aren't there, namely (Mastery, Crit, Haste, Vers). Back then there's only INT/STAM/SPI/STR/AGI. There's alot of fun for us back then, I remember my guildies walk me to Burning Steppes, walking dangerously through half the continent, it was exciting back then, but very tedious, I'm not sure I'd want to go there again.

I'm not sure how Vanilla is Vanilla, but it'll probably be a mix of some new content brought into Vanilla. Vanilla isn't technically harder, just more tedious it feels harder. Most of the dungeons are difficult because back then we don't haev the tools to properly run it.

I remember leading a 5 man group in Scarlett MOnastery where i have to yell "Sap left, Sheep Right, Trap Second Left, Kill Center", was it fun? It was back then, WOW is head and shoulders above the curve, but going back there again.... /shudder....
 

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Meeting stones aren't in vanilla :P

It's just a novelty I guess, more like a sidetrack. Hey, no complain, if it's free and you enjoy it by all means. I'll probably spent a few hours before find it tedious and getting back to my normal account. I'm just guessing what I think will happen.
Really? I came in just before TBC and they were already there. Maybe a late game patch.

I can imagine my guild will have a sister-guild on a Vanilla server. Should be fun for a while at least, if just to see the old world again.
 

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Nice addition. But I'll say it'll get boring soon.

Vanilla wow (assuming they don't change it) is mostly nostalgic. The game play itself is tedious and grueling.

On top of my head:
No flying. Impartial.
No lfr/lfg Good.
No instant que Irrelevant.
Hunters still uses quiver and have to have arrows to shoot Good. Bring back soulshard bags. Pet happiness is love.
Long travel time, mostly walking Easy to tune out :)
40 men raid. We barely have 20 for mythic these days. So half the amount of guilds & double their size.
No multispec, you have to respec back to capital Yeah this one is a PITA.
Shit and one dimensional loot We've 4 stats on live, one of which is versatility. Loot has never been more dull in 13 years.

Unless they bring the new world into the server it really is a nostalgic novelty.
Like I said before, I'm in for the questing :) Past that, we'll see, but I doubt it.
 

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Nice addition. But I'll say it'll get boring soon.

Vanilla wow (assuming they don't change it) is mostly nostalgic. The game play itself is tedious and grueling.

On top of my head:
No flying.
No lfr/lfg
No instant que
Hunters still uses quiver and have to have arrows to shoot
Long travel time, mostly walking
40 men raid. We barely have 20 for mythic these days.
No multispec, you have to respec back to capital
Shit and one dimensional loot

Unless they bring the new world into the server it really is a nostalgic novelty.
To be honest the wow classic private servers functions well with regards to all those issues. Finding people for groups / raids won't be an issue unless blizzard makes way too many servers and splits the player base across them. I've lvled a character to 60 on a private server and had no trouble at any time to find groups for content. I never raided but had a friend who did and he had no issues finding a guild capable of finding 40 people for raiding MC and BWL (only 2 released at that time).

Stuff like instant queue, flying and lfr/lfg removes so much of the epicness feel from the game, to the point where you don't meet anyone in the world, except for 4 random dudes you barely talk to while blazing through dungeons in 5 pulls. As duffer says the server community feel is completely gone from WoW nowadays, which is a massive change for the worse, and honestly one of the things I miss most from vanilla.

As Tommy also says the loot is way more shit and one dimensional now. It really feels completely irrelevant and boring to get upgrades these days, especially with weapons being the same throughout the expansion. Warforged/titanforged is also shit and boring.

Stat priorities nowadays are extremely onedimensional compared to how they have been, very few classes have crit/haste caps, etc. Mostly you just go for one main secondary with the rest of them being subpar. I remember playing a shadow priest where I had to figure out how to hit hit cap, certain haste threshhold for my mind flay ticks, etc. Now you just go for as much haste as possible, without thinking about anything else.

I like both game modes, Legion is fantastic and has been the best expansion ever with regards to content as a whole, but I will definitely also try classic out and I hope they keep it as authentic as possible or else it will fail.

Ah.. Vanilla. I spent hours farming with my ice mage for cloths, and when I finally get my vanilla fast mount (cough... a skeletal horse) with 100% run speed I'm so happy.

There's no itemization back then, it's just an X Int / X Spirit or X Int / Y Stam, and that's all. Most of the stats we know today aren't there, namely (Mastery, Crit, Haste, Vers). Back then there's only INT/STAM/SPI/STR/AGI. There's alot of fun for us back then, I remember my guildies walk me to Burning Steppes, walking dangerously through half the continent, it was exciting back then, but very tedious, I'm not sure I'd want to go there again.

I'm not sure how Vanilla is Vanilla, but it'll probably be a mix of some new content brought into Vanilla. Vanilla isn't technically harder, just more tedious it feels harder. Most of the dungeons are difficult because back then we don't haev the tools to properly run it.

I remember leading a 5 man group in Scarlett MOnastery where i have to yell "Sap left, Sheep Right, Trap Second Left, Kill Center", was it fun? It was back then, WOW is head and shoulders above the curve, but going back there again.... /shudder....
Simply not true. Crit, spell crit, hit (hate it or love it), dodge, block, +def, mp5, +dmg/healing all excisted back then, arguably more different types than we have today (and that is not listing all of them).

In the end it is all about the nostalgic experience and the ride down memory lane for most people, and judging from the activity on the private servers it will definitively have some success, but only if they don't change it to some sort of shit modern vanilla hybrid and they don't make way too many realms. Rather have them very full than almost empty.

The whole experience of a dungeon actually being challenging rather than just being a massive aoe rush as most non-high level mythic plus dungeons is now is definately a plus.

I'm looking forward to trying it, was my first real introduction to playing computer games and have so many memories really growing up while playing this game. Feels like such a defining part of my childhood. Having LANs with friends leveling characters. My first flight from moonglade to teldrassil (started as a night elf druid), I was really mesmerized by how insanely massive the world was walking to elwynn forest to quest. I remember grinding to get my epic mount too in Tyrs Hand and it felt like such a big reward when I finally got it (compared to getting getting similar stuff now is just meh, not really any epic feeling in the world now).
 
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Most of Classic is going to be nostalgia isn't it. I played it back in the day and loved it but It won’t be the same now.

I can get past the graphics, no flying etc etc but the thing that concerns me most is gameplay. Most of the class specs are unplayable, each class basically has one spec. That’s the thing that puts me off.
 

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I played it from 2005 until late TBC and later played one or two months of WoD. It felt like a single player game by then. The chats were dead and lfg/lfr felt like playing with bots. You didn't recognize anyone because players from all different servers were running around in the cities.
I'll maybe take a look at it, i just hope the leveling is closer to WoD because leveling in Vanilla was atrocious. No way i'll ever reach 60 if it's the way it was then.
 

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8 hours grind / level

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I've no issue with it. If anything, I prefer it. I leveled every class past 60 pre-Sundering, most pre-Wrath (BoAs). I like the journey :D
 

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I played it from 2005 until late TBC and later played one or two months of WoD. It felt like a single player game by then. The chats were dead and lfg/lfr felt like playing with bots. You didn't recognize anyone because players from all different servers were running around in the cities.
I'll maybe take a look at it, i just hope the leveling is closer to WoD because leveling in Vanilla was atrocious. No way i'll ever reach 60 if it's the way it was then.
You sir.. Clearly has no bad memories spamming in Trade channel for the last 1 member for a 5 man dungeon, or a healer... Back then the only viable tank is warrior.

Not to mention after going all the way to dungeon entrance someone decided to be a dick and goes afk, or leave halfway, or turns out he's all in greens.

I shudder to think about going back to that hell hole. It was fun back then because there's nothing else better than wow. But even now wow is better than wow.

Imagine doing m+ without the aid of lfr, only spamming, you'll get the jist.
 

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You sir.. Clearly has no bad memories spamming in Trade channel for the last 1 member for a 5 man dungeon, or a healer... Back then the only viable tank is warrior.

Not to mention after going all the way to dungeon entrance someone decided to be a dick and goes afk, or leave halfway, or turns out he's all in greens.

I shudder to think about going back to that hell hole. It was fun back then because there's nothing else better than wow. But even now wow is better than wow.

Imagine doing m+ without the aid of lfr, only spamming, you'll get the jist.
At least there were repercussions for acting like a douchebag back in the day. If you dicked about in too many groups back in the day of single-server communities, you'd soon be blacklisted. Now you can just be an asshole & there's no downside because everyone is queued randomly into eachother before they never see eachother again.

M+ & raiding aside, the community is weaker than it was back in Vanilla through 3.3, and I'm still not sure it's worth it.
 

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Having actually played on the Nostalrius, Elysium and Light's Hope server for the past 2 years - I can say that it's been amazing and can't wait for the official servers to drop. Abiding they don't ruin them, that is.
 

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You sir.. Clearly has no bad memories spamming in Trade channel for the last 1 member for a 5 man dungeon, or a healer... Back then the only viable tank is warrior.

Not to mention after going all the way to dungeon entrance someone decided to be a dick and goes afk, or leave halfway, or turns out he's all in greens.

I shudder to think about going back to that hell hole. It was fun back then because there's nothing else better than wow. But even now wow is better than wow.

Imagine doing m+ without the aid of lfr, only spamming, you'll get the jist.
This is exactly how I remember it. Farming shitty green fire resist gear to fight Ragnaros with 40 people, of which 15 weren't really do anything. I'll probably give it a go but I definitely see vanilla WoW through rose tinted glasses.
 

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At least there were repercussions for acting like a douchebag back in the day. If you dicked about in too many groups back in the day of single-server communities, you'd soon be blacklisted. Now you can just be an asshole & there's no downside because everyone is queued randomly into eachother before they never see eachother again.

M+ & raiding aside, the community is weaker than it was back in Vanilla through 3.3, and I'm still not sure it's worth it.
No there isn't really. If you're scamming perhaps, but ditching 5 men dungeon is unavoidable at some times, due to time constraint, net problem, or a very long run full of wipe.

And there's simply not enough people to populate the server with single realm it'll be cross server.

Im sure blizzard will implement some new changes. But the basic vanilla leave me shuddering.

But hey I'm not judging, just my 2cents.

There's much to be enjoyed in all expansion, one can always choose to bond, to minggle, you can make an m+ carry group with selected friends, you can choose not to fly and walk your way to many places, you can do whatever the vanilla has to offer. People just can't be arsed.
 

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This is exactly how I remember it. Farming shitty green fire resist gear to fight Ragnaros with 40 people, of which 15 weren't really do anything. I'll probably give it a go but I definitely see vanilla WoW through rose tinted glasses.
You'll never gonna see 40 men raid these days. Back then it take a collosal effort to make one, I've been in guilds where they collaborate with 3 different guild to fill the quota. Even then the numbers are low and they'll take anyone and even anything. And the logistic for that is tedious, not to mention the drama with all the egos.

An alterac valley match can last 8 hours to finish, with nothing other than hk, not even honor point.

There's no mog, no material tab in the bank, no big bags (biggest is 16 slot), no toy slot, no big guns just your green weapon to slowly carve an elite mob.

It's like back then we're fine with a gsm sms nokia phone, we're fine because there's no smartphone back then.
 

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Ultimately it's going to be fun for some, but likely not for you. A lot of people play on Nostalrius and Elysium which is true vanilla experiences, and a lot of people really enjoy the trip down memory lane. No one there gives a shit about mog, or material tabs in bank, or 32 slot bags, or freaking toys. Why would they? It's not what made the game back then, and it is not even anywhere near what makes the game fun now? Besides that there is a lot of big guns to carve elite mobs down with in vanilla.

You seem to spend all your time in this thread talking about how bad vanilla was and how shit classic it's going to be? It's a completely different game to modern WoW, and somethings are worse than they were back then, and somethings are better. It's like comparing modern time elder scrolls to old time elder scrolls, lots of people prefer the older, more grinding and more epic adventures such as Morrowind/Classic, compared to more dumbed down/easier/simpler versions like Skyrim/Legion.