You make some good points, vanilla will be great for some people. My main worry is after playing a warrior for 13 years going back to vanilla is going to be unplayable it was fecking awful. Tanking is a massive chore with the crazy threat tables while arms/fury are virtually unplayable outside of pvp and even when u do the rage system is so fecking bad and slow I cant see it being fun. Same for almost every class in the game they have 1 viable spec tops and they are so basic/slow its going to be hard to re adjust to the old way.
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You make some good points, vanilla will be great for some people. My main worry is after playing a warrior for 13 years going back to vanilla is going to be unplayable it was fecking awful. Tanking is a massive chore with the crazy threat tables while arms/fury are virtually unplayable outside of pvp and even when u do the rage system is so fecking bad and slow I cant see it being fun. Same for almost every class in the game they have 1 viable spec tops and they are so basic/slow its going to be hard to re adjust to the old way.
I agree with class viability being the main concern. Not the luxury we have today (or well, playing a monk I don't particularly feel it is perfect these days). I don't recall Fury being that bad though, in fact I'm pretty sure they were among the top dps. Arms were the shit in PvP, really beasts.
I used to play a druid healer mainly, but I was also allowed to tank raids, which went fine, so I don't think it's that bad. Obviously warrior tanks were much better, but druids (and from what I gather prot paladins too) weren't completely unplayable in especially dungeons but also raids.
With that thought in mind I don't think it is that much different than today with the only difference being the margin. If you want to progress at top level you need the right classes, now and in vanilla. Class stacking has always been a thing and still is. I think the margins of what is required to kill a boss now, is much thinner than it was back then, so it kinda counters each other I think. As mentioned I tanked raids on my druid in a pretty hardcore guild, including progress on Vaelastraz in BWL, which was one of the first real guildkillers, and it went fine for us. Onyxia too, but she was farm at that point.
I only started in TBC but definitely want to give Vanilla a try.
TBC probably hit the sweet spot between grind and convenience where server community was mostly unaffected
I do miss the old zones of Azeroth and the leveling experience being unforgiving and challenging
I honestly can not wait to play and i'm looking very much forward to it with some of my family members returning as well
TBC probably hit the sweet spot between grind and convenience where server community was mostly unaffected
I do miss the old zones of Azeroth and the leveling experience being unforgiving and challenging
I honestly can not wait to play and i'm looking very much forward to it with some of my family members returning as well
Agree with that. I used to organise a Maggy and Gruul weekly raid during TBC and as I worked as a Chef I couldn't get into a regular raiding guild but got to know lots of people on the servers through this. I also monopolised the alchemy market and with nothing really to spend the gold on, used to provide the consumables for this raid.
After chatting to some of my regular raiders after a raid one week and explaining why I organised these raids during the times I did (afternoon between shifts at work) and that it was frustrating that I couldn't progress through the content due to not being at work when everyone else raids.
The next week, after the raid had finished, one of them asked me to pass him the lead and stay put. The next thing I knew the raid was filled up with 20+ of his guild mates who proceeded to boost me through Tempest Keep and let me have every bit of loot I needed, they did the same a while later with Sunwell once everyone else was farming it. It was really nice of them and I've never forgotten it.
Contrast that with the latest expansion which I played heavily for a couple of months after Uni finished. I'd speak to about 3 guild mates but didn't really know any of them and it just felt like a solo game. Most of the player's I'd end up in a group with were Russians and there was no camaraderie whatsoever. If anyone chatted over the global channels they'd be told to STFU and stop spamming.
Yes that old feeling of being part of more than just a game and like you knew people as friends not just other gamers.
No game i've played since TBC has given me the satisfaction gameplay and community wise that TBC did.
I remember being 2 weeks into WOTLK and already wanting to back to TBC because the game just didn't feel the same anymore and I was getting bored easily which never happened before.
That is why I am so hyped for Vanilla, by the time it is released I should have all my studies complete and be able to play it.
I used to love the grind and not having gear handed to you so easily, I remember being on T4 content for months and months even though the latest content was T6 but people progressed slowly and at their own pace now you are instantly brought up the latest raid through attainable easy loot and everything just feels the same.
I have no problem with people enjoying vanilla better.
But i do feel abit about people claiming how shit wow is these days and how glorious vanilla is. That's just plain romantism talking.
By all means if you want to enjoy vanilla you should.
Stance dance.
Lol. Incase you forgot what rogues enchant their gear with in vanilla... You guess... Threat reduction. Lol
Vanilla. For some. Of you who never played in them.
Paladin : we wear cloths back then, and all we do is buff/cleanse bot with 3 different blessings for every clase.
Tanking was more rewarding back then, more to do and think about sure, might seem like a chore at first but once you get the hang of it, how the threat works, marking targets, controlling the dpsers, etc, you might just enjoy it. If you get it right, your efforts are way more appreciated than anything any other class might be doing.
Part of me is curious as to how this will turn out. I'm sure there is a lot of nostalgia at play that makes people crave vanillia, but there is a lot to be said for NOT having all the 'quality of life' features in current WoW.
Morrowind will always be the best elder scrolls game mostly just because it DIDN'T have fast travel.
Aight
I 100% agree with your second point, I honestly think WoW is the best it has ever been right now, with the only thing pulling it down for me personally is the lack of server feel.
What class did you all play in Vanilla, and would you reroll it for classic or is that a hell no? What realm did you play on?
Personally played a druid as mentioned, but will likely chose something new (leveled on to 60 on Nostalrius, but retail pulled too much in me to start gearing up). It's likely a few years ahead, but still.
I'm just waiting for the WoD legacy server.
A paladin and a mage.Aight
I 100% agree with your second point, I honestly think WoW is the best it has ever been right now, with the only thing pulling it down for me personally is the lack of server feel.
What class did you all play in Vanilla, and would you reroll it for classic or is that a hell no? What realm did you play on?
Personally played a druid as mentioned, but will likely chose something new (leveled on to 60 on Nostalrius, but retail pulled too much in me to start gearing up). It's likely a few years ahead, but still.
I couldn't play anything other than mage (for the portal) in vanilla. Lol
Leveling is easy these days, 100-110 is only 10 hours without heirloom. It wasnt tedious at all.
I'd say vanilla server would be on separate account then the retail version.
People on Elysium/Nostalrius have been playing it for 2 years + and aren't bored. They're only craving more. It's not going to be for everyone that's for sure. But it's certainly not going to be a "quick nostalgia trip" then quit kind of thing. It's a great game which is extremely important to be social in. The MMO aspect was in it's prime during vanilla where you needed to make friends and socialise to be good at the game. It's brilliant and I'll definitely be playing casually. I don't think I'll ever get the best gear and complete all the raids but I will enjoy the levelling experience for sure.
I think for the Vanilla servers to truly succeed they will need a loyal and large core who do more than play it casually.
It wil be difficult to build the community if it is all made up of people playing casually while spending most of their time on the main game.
Now if you can connect with casuals who all agree to play at the same time then problem solved.
It wil be difficult to build the community if it is all made up of people playing casually while spending most of their time on the main game.
Now if you can connect with casuals who all agree to play at the same time then problem solved.
More than 150k active accounts on Nostalrius at one point. The players are there - abiding Blizzard don't mess this up somehow. Trust me, I believe it'll become bigger than Retail WoW, just like Old School Runescape has overtaken Runescape 3.
I loved vanilla. The game became too easy after that will love getting killed by Koblods again. Hogger here I come.
So what´s your guess, when will Blizzards official classic servers go live?
Based on all Blizzcon stuff i´ve watched, interviews and shows with Twitch guys and so on i´d say: autumn 2018
Based on all Blizzcon stuff i´ve watched, interviews and shows with Twitch guys and so on i´d say: autumn 2018
While true it’s because there is a new xp arch that begins at 110.
They said its very early in development and knowing Blizzard they dont rush anything. Id say 2019 earliest.
I think BfA will release early fall and I dont think theyd be stupid enough to release both at the same time as it would severely damage both releases.
It will release at a convenient time when there is a content drought during BfA
It will release at a convenient time when there is a content drought during BfA
So which private classic server would you recommend in the meantime?
Would be good to have one, on which the average gear is still on a reachable level and without hundreds of people in full Tier 2 endgame clothes already.
Would be good to have one, on which the average gear is still on a reachable level and without hundreds of people in full Tier 2 endgame clothes already.
Fury was pretty viable in vanilla, it was just that warriors where the only really viable tank so they often got forced to into protection for raids. My friend was great at it, but I forced him to tank a lot cause he could follow basic instructions.
I get your point though, most classes had one PvP spec, one Raid spec and one garabage wtf spec.
Shaman Elemental was just weird back the day for example, honestly never seen anyone play it. We let a shaman run enhancement for a raid, he pulled aggro and died about 10 times in 30 minutes, triple windfury crits ftw!.
There's been a lot of quality of life upgrades for classes, no class is entirely useless anymore but they traded away a sense of community for a lot of other "upgrades" from Vanilla.
I could tell you the top guilds 4/5 on my server and their rankings, some of their top raiders, leaders etc, heck even some on the Alliance side, but then again that was Method who are famous these days but even back then we're way higher up in the world ranks than the rest of us. I haven't played in 18 months but even when I was I couldn't tell you without looking it up on wowprogress.
There's a lot of things that will be a shit sandwich about returning to Vanilla but it'll be a fun trip down nostalgia lane at worst. I think people are crying out for an MMO that's less of content railroad and vanilla for all it's flaws had a sense of one connected world, that had the appearance of options and let you make mistakes, Modern WoW has a very clear path and everything has training wheels the margin between optimal and random choices is 2-5% as opposed to the 20-30% it used to be.
https://elysium-project.org
They have a fresh realm which opened 5 days ago, so I imagine that it is quite active
I'd recommend http://www.lightshope.org. Which is where 80% of the community from Elysium went after the owners of Elysium were revealed to have been selling gold and accounts as well as stealing money from the "Server upkeep donation fund".
Currently 8000 people on their main realm.
Thanks, i´ll try that one from tomorrow on for a few weeks. Indeed the majority of people there haven´t even reached lvl 40 so far, should be good and not to overpowered.
I'm going to stay away from Private Servers so when the game is released I can just enjoy it all over again with my memories from levelling in the classic zones again
3 days.
Anyone?
No?
Okay.
Anyone?
No?
Okay.
Horde. No point being Alliance for PvE content really.
Yep.
Why is that? That wasn’t the case back when I played
In the top 50 guilds worldwide, there are 43 Horde guilds, 7 Alliance guilds.
In the top 100, it's 85 Horde vs 15 Alliance.
In the top 200, it's 157 Horde vs 43 Alliance.
For JUST EU guilds, it's like this:
In the top 50 guilds in Europe, there are 40 Horde guilds, 10 Alliance guilds.
In the top 100, it's 84 Horde vs 16 Alliance.
In the top 200, it's 161 Horde vs 39 Alliance.
Horde just has a much higher recruitment pool for raiders & a much deeper pool for M+.
Yea not looking good and dont think Blizz is able to do something to balance factions a bit.
They'd have to offer us a free realm transfer & a free race change for all our characters, along with a similar commitment from another 60+ top 200 guilds for us to even consider it. Absolutely no point moving otherwise.
Anyone playing tonight?
I turn into a fecking nerd when this launches. Took the next couple of days off work
I turn into a fecking nerd when this launches. Took the next couple of days off work
I can't go back in, I can't go back in, I can't go back in...
I have been clean for nearly 8-10 years now or thereabouts. A monumental waste of time if ever there was one.
I have been clean for nearly 8-10 years now or thereabouts. A monumental waste of time if ever there was one.
Got your Ashes of Al'ar yet?
Really want to get involved now.
Used to play Runescape religiously and was so much fun.
Then played some Guildwars and that was also so much fun with the headsets etc.
Is WoW the one then? Is it worth me buying a computer/laptop to play?
Can you even buy a laptop and play WoW or do you need a computer?
So many questions
Used to play Runescape religiously and was so much fun.
Then played some Guildwars and that was also so much fun with the headsets etc.
Is WoW the one then? Is it worth me buying a computer/laptop to play?
Can you even buy a laptop and play WoW or do you need a computer?
So many questions
Roll on 11pm
Played since vanilla have run every expansion on launch night and tonight won’t be any different.
Played since vanilla have run every expansion on launch night and tonight won’t be any different.