Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll added)

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Sack or Keep OLE?

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  1. Oct 21, 2019

    John Blund Full Member

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    Liverpool has a better squad than us. They're better than us, end of discussion. But in yesterday's game, we made Liverpool look like an average side. Aside from their goal, which I would blame on Rojo, they didn't create much. You can't have seen the same game I saw. Fred was firing. A few minutes before Liverpool scored, Fred had a shot just outside their post. It's not a great chance, but he hit the ball rather good, and we're not that far off a 2-0 lead.
    And we were compact. Perhaps even too compact. AWB or James should be out wide when Robertson hits the cross, in an ideal world, but Liverpool moved the ball quickly, and it's often better to stay compact in front of our goal than starting to push out wide to pressure the holder of the ball. Especially when Liverpool moved the ball as they did.

    Game management, Ole hit it spot on. We didn't let Liverpool create anything. Klopp was really getting frustrated. Klopp sent Henderson out wide at the start of 2nd half. Dropping Firmino a bit back, and moving Mané in more centrally. Ole changed it around, sent Young out on Henderson, had McT following Firmino. You hardly saw Firmino and Mané in the 2nd half. Hardly in the first half either. Because we were bang-on with our tactics. You might say "yes, but it was Ole who started Rojo!". Yes, but it wasn't his intention to start Rojo. We were going to start Tuanzebe, but he got injured.

    Nobody is celebrating the draw. I feared a loss, but in the end, I'm disappointed that we didn't take all three points against them.
    Now we need some wins away. I don't really care much about the EL and the cup-tie against Chelsea, but if we can use them to gain some confidence, that would be good. Norwich and Bournemouth will be the next tests.
  2. Oct 21, 2019

    fergiesarmy1 Full Member

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    Your a disgrace as a united fan.
  3. Oct 21, 2019

    Untd55 Full Member

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    A disgrace for wanting the team to perform to the level it should be? Solskjaer has the team under performing and people have bought in to the idea that he is doing as good as he can. Gullible fans are the best kind of fans for a manager. You can do absolutely no wrong in their eyes.

    He is doing a diabolical job. He has had pretty much half a season as permanent manager. 18 games, 4 wins, 6 draws, 8 losses - 25 goals conceded and 17 scored. He should have already been sacked. This is Manchester United not Brighton.
  4. Oct 21, 2019

    dove Full Member

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    According to our fans - yes. You should expect nothing from the team, staying clear of relegation is as much as we can hope for (gonna be difficult this year though). I heard people say we have worse squad than Newcastle's. You want to see us score 2 goals in 1 match? Clearly a spoilt and entitled fan as it's ridiculous to expect that from Manchester United, biggest club in world football according to same fans who are delighted with how it's going now with Ole in charge.
  5. Oct 21, 2019

    Sil New Member

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    Keep Ole - He's building for the future. Cut out all this negativity - be more positive and give him all our support.
  6. Oct 21, 2019

    Bestietom Full Member

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    And moaning bitching fans don't do the club and manager any good either.
  7. Oct 21, 2019

    Bestietom Full Member

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    Good on Ya young man.
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    BigLebowski007 New Member

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    I say keep for now. His trasnfers were good (Wan Bissaka, Maguire, James). He is clearing all the dead wood. As a result he is left with very thin squad with many unexperienced players. Plus he had a lot of injuries.
  9. Oct 21, 2019

    momo83 Full Member

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    Watched Sunday Supplement yesterday. Only one of the 4 who spoke any sense was the journo for Joe.com. Funnily enough people talk about Klopp taking time so she compared Ole to Klopp.

    General theme, exact same board and transfer department no one has changed. Before they were being mocked for transfer but since Klopp they are being praised as the best transfer recruitment department in the world.

    After she said that. Then one of the others mentioned what I’ve been saying it’s great saying buy young talent but does Ole have the coaching ability to develop them
  10. Oct 21, 2019

    fergiesarmy1 Full Member

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    He is doing what is needed right now knowing he’s going to take flak for doing it, calling him a coward is just wrong.
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    ArjenIsM3 Full Member

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    Hardly diabolical so far. Not great, not diabolical. The truth is we've been poor for years, our transfers have been poor for years, and we're now seeing the fruits of that
  12. Oct 21, 2019

    Massive Spanner Thinks Geoff Shreeves has one

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    Not diabolical? We're two points above the relegation zone. How is that not diabolical?
  13. Oct 21, 2019

    red4ever 79 New Member

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    2 shots on target at home against our big rivals and 32% possession, with a back 5 constitutes a success and a tactical masterclass from our magician. What do we have 10 points from 9 games. That's a disgrace.
  14. Oct 21, 2019

    rotherham_red Full Member

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    Ignore the twats on here and social media mate. The matchgoing lot support him fully. 'BeijingRed4Lyf' whose favourite ever player is 'Wayne Looney' can get to feck.
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    Bestietom Full Member

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    If we could have added replacements for Herrera and Lukaku to the 3 we brought in, things would be different. I am convinced we would have more points on the board now. If it is possible to do this in January, we will see change.
  16. Oct 21, 2019

    shaky Full Member

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    There's no point in arguing. Plenty people on here are gutted that we didn't lose heavily and they would have found a way to turn even a victory into a stick to beat Ole with.
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    Bestietom Full Member

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    Exactly. Even if he turned it around now, it's too late with some fans.
  18. Oct 21, 2019

    Untd55 Full Member

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    Why are people acting like the bad results and performances have only been going on a short while? It is like you want the last half-season worth of games to be brushed under the carpet because we got a draw with Liverpool. #

    The draw with Liverpool changes nothing. He is still nowhere near good enough for the job.

    Also, where are people getting this confidence that he will turn it around? He has shown nothing to give evidence to his ability to do such.
  19. Oct 21, 2019

    devilish Juventus fan who used to support United

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    If we played attacking football against Liverpool with this squad then we'll be discussing a 3-0 defeat by now. Look I get it, you want Ole out. I share that view myself. However we must admit that yesterday his tactics were top notch. A 3-5-2 system kept their wingers at bay while James-Rashy hit them on quick counters. It wouldn't work against teams that play defensive football but in this occasion it worked brilliantly.
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    Mainoldo Full Member

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    If it didn’t hit the target it’s not a shot on goal. Strikers don’t count goals if it didn’t hit the back of the net do they.
  21. Oct 21, 2019

    Dec9003 Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016

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    Your point does still exist, but it isn't as simple as you're making it out.
    This time last season we were seven points off the top four, this season the same.
    Again, it isn't a perfect comparison given we've played different fixtures and have different players.
    But to completely disregard all this and just say this is the worst we've been is wrong imo, this is maybe the weakest squad in terms of quality post Fergie, but I do think we're more likely to climb the table than fall down it.
    We'll just have to see though, the next 2/3 games are vital.
  22. Oct 21, 2019

    el3mel Full Member

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    It's that worst because we are actually much much closer to relegation zone than we are to top 4. We are 2 points away from relegation zone, while 7 points away form top 4. I don't think this ever happened even under Moyes, or when started LVG first season badly.
  23. Oct 21, 2019

    smallred Full Member

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    if he doesnt turn this around, he will be the worst managerial appointment in the clubs history.

    i see many fans backing him - there isnt really one legimate reason that he is still in the job at this point in time anyway.
  24. Oct 21, 2019

    Sandikan aka sex on the beach

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    Bought himself some time, but that's all for now.
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    Dec9003 Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016

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    Well now you're just shifting the goalposts, a minute ago it had never happened full stop. :lol:
    I did the research for you:
    Moyes' first season after nine matches: 5 points off top four, 8th place.
    Van Gaals first season after nine matches: 3 points off top 4, 8th place.
    Mourinhos first season after nine matches: 5 points off top four, 7th place.
    It's pretty clear to see that no manager at United has had it all their own way in their first season (although technically Ole is in his first after an interim stint).
    The comparisons are a little flawed, because again, the squad is worse than under Moyes, Van Gaal and perhaps even Mourinho.
    It doesn't take a genius to figure out that a team with the options Van Gaal had would fare better than the team we have today.
  26. Oct 21, 2019

    Kurton New Member

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    The first step in fixing the problem is identifying the problem. Some of us are at least seeing it, unlike these "top reds" who accept mediocrity for the club. These so-called "top reds" seem to be more Ole fanboys than club's. We respect and adore Ole as a legend but as a player. As a manager, he's been atrocious so far and it's not looking like improving. Any other manager with these numbers and performances would be called unanimously as being shit, but apparently Ole is bigger than the club.

    And these excuses of Ole not being supported by the board is ridiculous, as Ole himself came out and said the money was there and he chose not to spend because no players were available who he fancied. Then its either he is deluded in thinking the squad is good enough or he's just appeasing his superiors and lying to the fans. In either case, I would not prefer Ole to be the manager. At least Mourinho set standards for himself and went against the board to pressure them, even if he did not care about the club. Ole seems to have no standards for himself or the club he says he loves, he's just happy to go along with the board.
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    Bobcat Full Member

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    This. We have plenty of the ball in decent areas. The big problem all season have been actually creating a big chance, and when that chance has come we have failed to convert way to many times. I would also add:

    1. We are piss poor on set pieces and have been for ages. Getting a corner these days is more of a chance to the opponent because it more often ends up in a counter attack than it does us trying to put it on goal
    2. Outside Pogba, Martial and maybe James, we have no players who has the ability/confidence to move the ball forward with their feet. Everyone is just looking for a pass and when they dont find a teammate they just recycle the ball backwards. This imo is the biggest contributor to our "static zombie football" since we need to constantly pass it around the opponent.
    3. Our short passing in attack is sub par and then some. The best we have right now is Mata and hes done at the top level.

    Imo, getting a winger or AMF that is also a set piece specialist would do us wonders.
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    el3mel Full Member

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    Shifting goalposts? I literally said before your previous post that we are 2 points above relegation zone hence it is the worst. I don't know. Did you actually read?

    What was the last United manager that had us that close to relegation zones?
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    Dec9003 Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016

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    So you're just going to disregard the stats and ask for more? I'm up for a discussion but you don't seem capable of it.
    Have a good day pal.
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    el3mel Full Member

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    I don't think at this point you are willing to even read the initial point made in my second post then. Have a good day.
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    TrueRed79 Full Member

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    Klopp was right, we just setup to counter at home to Liverpool. There was an improvement in performance but i'm not buying it. For the record it's not that i don't want Ole to succeed. I just don't think he is the man to take us forward and ultimately he will fail. I mean, he's already failing as it it. We can't win a game unless we don't concede because we can't score more than one goal, all that pressure on our defense knowing one mistake will mean we probably won't win the game. Liverpool attacked which left us space to counter them. When teams sit back on us we are clueless to figure out how to unlock their defense. 10 points from 9 games is an utter embarrassment. We have dropped our baseline standards as a club. Enjoy mediocrity.
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    ThatsGreat Full Member

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    Ole should really be judged when Pogba, Martial, Shaw are back and Lukaku been replaced properly.
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    Litch Full Member

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    Sack Poch, he then needs to decide do I wait for the Utd or Real job. Sack Ole, not a club in the prem or championship offers him a job.....
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    Eric7C New Member

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    :lol:
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    Dec9003 Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016

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    I read it, offers some stats to provide context to our points, then you got upset and asked if I'd read what you wrote.
    We're closer to relegation than under previous managers, yes.
    But as I showed you, we're not really that much further off the top four, albeit with a worse squad (imo) and having played different fixtures.
    To just say well we're lower down in the table so Ole is doing a worse job than Moyes/Van Gaal/Mourinho is just a baseless point devoid of any context whatsoever.
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    I have nothing against how we we're set up yesterday against stronger opposition. What we're we to do? Go all out and get slaughtered? The main issue with Ole are the games we are supposed to win. The worst game this season wasn't any loss either. It was the 1 1 against a 10 man Southampton. We we're clueless because we simply can't break teams that sit deep and its not going away until we sign another creative midfielder and a proven striker.
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    Eric7C New Member

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    Er, we didn't. Two shots on goal all game, both in the first half, one a tame effort by McTominay from outside the box, one the goal itself. As usual, the ideologues don't want to look at evidence.
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    Eric7C New Member

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    This is a total myth; please go check our shots & shots on goal figures for the past few games and compare it to the rest of the top 6. Strikers have always missed one or two chances, you cannot rely on creating that few a game and expect to win.

    As for mindset, I wasn't questioning the players' resolve but Ole's commitment to attacking (and his abilities to actually forge an attacking unit).
  39. Oct 21, 2019

    lysglimt Full Member

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    According to you there isn't. Some of us think differently.
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    el3mel Full Member

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    Your stats prove me right. Neither of these seasons at this stage we were in bottom half of the table and neither of them were close to relegation zone and 2 points away from it.

    Now bring me whenever I talked about top 4 since I replayed to the other poster or this discussion even started and you may have a point.

    But so far you have been replaying without even reading so this discussion is totally pointless and I'm really not interested in going any further.

    If you believe he's not doing worse than the other 3 then Ok, it's your opinion even if everything else proves otherwise, position in the league table and points, because literally we have our worst start in a league campaign for 33 years :

    https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...vs-liverpool-worst-start-record-a9163956.html