Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

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We'll win tommorow with the "usual" penalty and then lose to Sheffield because that's what a midtable team does, winning some home and losing away. Just look at Bournemouth. It's so obvious and it's becoming ridiculous that we've already accepted it before even happening. But he just needs time like Fergie in '89...
 
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So, now Klopp inherited a better squad than Ole? :lol: And magically conjuring a narrative where Pool fans wanted him gone at end of his first season where he finished 8th despite reaching two finals? :lol:

Some of the shite you guys put up with here, it's remarkable. Ole in crowd have nothing but excuses and whataboutery. It's better to read them for amusement rather than engage in any kind of sensible discussion (because there ain't going to be any!)
For the Ole in crowd any team that is, was or has been doing better than us is just because they have/had better squad. Any manager who succeeded with another club is because they had better players than us when they were hired. Klopp, Rodgers, everyone.

It's like we have the best manager in the world currently so him struggling is an indication the squad is the only problem while other managers had it easy with their great teams.
 

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It is all whataboutery and no real facts or reason to back their arguments. Now they are equaling Ole to a pre Manchester United Ferguson. A pre United Fergie has already broken the Glasgow monopoly and had an unfancied Aberdeen side wining everything including the European Cup Winners Cup beating Bayern Munich and Real Madrid to win it.
Honestly it is an insult to Fergie to even name Ole in the same breadth as a manager.
 

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The biggest problem a lot of people have with Ole been sacked is that the guy who will be doing it should have been sacked seasons ago himself, it's just perverse, and it needs shouting from the rooftops until it changes.
 

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It is all whataboutery and no real facts or reason to back their arguments. Now they are equaling Ole to a pre Manchester United Ferguson. A pre United Fergie has already broken the Glasgow monopoly and had an unfancied Aberdeen side wining everything including the European Cup Winners Cup beating Bayern Munich and Real Madrid to win it.
Honestly it is an insult to Fergie to even name Ole in the same breadth as a manager.
Breadth? whataboutery?

I don’t think anyone is saying Ole is SAF. It is you saying that people are saying that because you don’t agree but can’t articulate it.

People are saying that the situation with the squad is similar to when SAF took over in that it is in need of a total overhaul. In fact the whole scenario post Fergie reminds men of post busby.
 

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The biggest problem a lot of people have with Ole been sacked is that the guy who will be doing it should have been sacked seasons ago himself, it's just perverse, and it needs shouting from the rooftops until it changes.
Exactly.
 

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Breadth? whataboutery?

I don’t think anyone is saying Ole is SAF. It is you saying that people are saying that because you don’t agree but can’t articulate it.

People are saying that the situation with the squad is similar to when SAF took over in that it is in need of a total overhaul. In fact the whole scenario post Fergie reminds men of post busby.
No it's not, and even if it needs overhaul, Ole hasn't shown any signs to be suitable manager for that job. After a summer spending, our squad looks far weaker than what he actually inherited. That tells anyone far more than enough about his claimed "rebuilding" abilities.
 

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Who would you bring in on Monday morning?
Giggsy is almost guaranteed to take it on a part-time basis should the option become available to him.

Paul Ince will flip a lid upon learning this information.
 

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I was so happy when Ole came into the role at the start. I backed him totally until a few weeks ago, when I realised that I haven't had real fun watching United in years.

Today I watched the Arsenal v Leciester game and a few others... the difference to our football is really quite scary. Moyes, LVG, Mourinho and now Ole - I've not seen any of them play anything like expansive, quick or modern football. I had the sad horrible realisation that we'd be in a much much better place with Brendan Rogers as manager.

I am now 100% in the Ole out camp. I don't see any improvement or pattern of play emerging. Things can only get worse until we get in a modern, proven coach (Allegri anyone?).
 
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We could be seventh if we win tomorrow, just a point behind 5th.

Perspective?
When we were demanding Jose get sacked last October we were 6th, why does Ole get thicker ice? We're 14th in November mate. If we had a decent manager we'd be 3rd right now. Ole is out of his depth & anyone who denies that is deluded.
 

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When we were demanding Jose get sacked last October we were 6th, why does Ole get thicker ice? We're 14th in November mate. If we had a decent manager we'd be 3rd right now. Ole is out of his depth & anyone who denies that is deluded.
Because it is Ole. I just can't understand that people can't separate Man Utd manager from ex player.
When we beat Brighton ( and we will because this team is just to good for Brighton even with this "manager" on the bench), this place will explode.

And btw, we will be 10 points from 4th spot. 10!! And it is ok for some, i guess.
 

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Fergie winning the Cup Winners' Cup is impressive, to be sure, but that was a different time to now. You had smaller teams punching more above their weight than what you tend to have now. Let's take a look at some of the illustrious sides who won it:

Aberdeen in 83, cool.
Before Fergie we had Dinamo Tblisi in 81.
Mechelen in 88. Anybody even know what country they're from? (It's Belgium)
in 93, Royal Antwerp.

What I'm trying to get at is that Fergie didn't exactly pull a Greece 04 with his Aberdeen side. Not trying to take anything away, but people in here using it to illustrate how miraculous Fergie was need a bit of context. This ain't the 80s and 90s, shit's changed, and it's harder to win silverware with a smaller team these days. Ole punched well above his team's weight with Molde in the Europa League, and deserves more credit than the people here insisting that he's worse than a nothing manager.
 

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When we were demanding Jose get sacked last October we were 6th, why does Ole get thicker ice? We're 14th in November mate. If we had a decent manager we'd be 3rd right now. Ole is out of his depth & anyone who denies that is deluded.
That's a wildly baseless assumption, mate.

I agree Ole isn't the right man to lead the club forward, but I would be reluctant to pull the trigger on him just yet because I have no confidence in the man afforded the responsibility to do the sacking and then choose a suitable replacement.

Four managers sacked, £800 million spent and wasted on transfers and multiple finishes outside the top four. All of this occurred under Ed Woodward, CEO.

If Ole goes, Woodward goes with him.
 

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Because it is Ole. I just can't understand that people can't separate Man Utd manager from ex player.
When we beat Brighton ( and we will because this team is just to good for Brighton even with this "manager" on the bench), this place will explode.

And btw, we will be 10 points from 4th spot. 10!! And it is ok for some, i guess.
That's not true - at least it isn't for me anyway. I just happen to like Ole's plan for the future of the club, that he is seemingly unable to put that plan into action himself is the only concern.

Even if Ole does get sacked, I hope the club sticks to last summers transfer strategy of buying young, hungry PL proven players.
 

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That's not true - at least it isn't for me anyway. I just happen to like Ole's plan for the future of the club, that he is seemingly unable to put that plan into action himself is the only concern.

Even if Ole does get sacked, I hope the club sticks to last summers transfer strategy of buying young, hungry PL proven players.
Just a slight concern, nothing to worry about. Half of RedCafe would have signed same players so I assume we all qualify for the job.
 

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Saying a point off 5th is a lovely sound bite considering the season so far but even then, it’ll be 10 points off fourth :eek:
I know, man. Just trying to be positive.

All it takes is a good run of results and we're right back in the mix. The teams above us aren't a great deal better if we're being honest.
 

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Because it is Ole. I just can't understand that people can't separate Man Utd manager from ex player.
When we beat Brighton ( and we will because this team is just to good for Brighton even with this "manager" on the bench), this place will explode.

And btw, we will be 10 points from 4th spot. 10!! And it is ok for some, i guess.
You want Poch in who is 11 points off 4th, with what pretty much everyone would agree is a better squad and years of getting them to play exactly how he wants.
 

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Fergie winning the Cup Winners' Cup is impressive, to be sure, but that was a different time to now. You had smaller teams punching more above their weight than what you tend to have now. Let's take a look at some of the illustrious sides who won it:

Aberdeen in 83, cool.
Before Fergie we had Dinamo Tblisi in 81.
Mechelen in 88. Anybody even know what country they're from? (It's Belgium)
in 93, Royal Antwerp.

What I'm trying to get at is that Fergie didn't exactly pull a Greece 04 with his Aberdeen side. Not trying to take anything away, but people in here using it to illustrate how miraculous Fergie was need a bit of context. This ain't the 80s and 90s, shit's changed, and it's harder to win silverware with a smaller team these days. Ole punched well above his team's weight with Molde in the Europa League, and deserves more credit than the people here insisting that he's worse than a nothing manager.
Ole has done more with Molde than most if not all of the haters on here. If all of you are so great and right how come you are not a professional football manager?
 

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Ole has done more with Molde than most if not all of the haters on here. If all of you are so great and right how come you are not a professional football manager?
Wow a new excuse on the run! Every day I read a new thing. Time to close this forum then. BTW was that your opinion on people here being camped in LVG out and Mourinho out threads, who are, guess what, more qualified managers than our current one?
 

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Fergie winning the Cup Winners' Cup is impressive, to be sure, but that was a different time to now. You had smaller teams punching more above their weight than what you tend to have now. Let's take a look at some of the illustrious sides who won it:

Aberdeen in 83, cool.
Before Fergie we had Dinamo Tblisi in 81.
Mechelen in 88. Anybody even know what country they're from? (It's Belgium)
in 93, Royal Antwerp.

What I'm trying to get at is that Fergie didn't exactly pull a Greece 04 with his Aberdeen side. Not trying to take anything away, but people in here using it to illustrate how miraculous Fergie was need a bit of context. This ain't the 80s and 90s, shit's changed, and it's harder to win silverware with a smaller team these days. Ole punched well above his team's weight with Molde in the Europa League, and deserves more credit than the people here insisting that he's worse than a nothing manager.
What about being the last manager to break the old firm stranglehold in Scotland to this day? Even without winning a European trophy by defeating Real Madrid, he would've got the United job on merit due to his success at Aberdeen.
 
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You want Poch in who is 11 points off 4th, with what pretty much everyone would agree is a better squad and years of getting them to play exactly how he wants.
Yes, his career and job in Spurs and Ole's career in United is the same thing. Come on man, i think that you know how stupid that comparison is
 

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Ole has done more with Molde than most if not all of the haters on here. If all of you are so great and right how come you are not a professional football manager?
Then people should talk only about what they know? If someone is i don't know..dentist, then he can talk only about teeth i guess.
And does that go other way around? How come you can say that we are wrong about Ole? You are a football manager?
 

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Ole has done more with Molde than most if not all of the haters on here. If all of you are so great and right how come you are not a professional football manager?
This takes the biscuit. How do you know if some at CAF got the chance to manage a club they might have done better than Ole? Just like you are giving Ole the benefit of the doubt why not someone from CAF?
He became a football manager and the chance at Molde because he was an Manchester United player from Norway. Many ex United players who want to become Managers got the chance because they were ex players. Norway is a small league. Bryan Robson got Boro into a Final but relegated them. Ole only relegated Cardiff. He has shown nothing that he can be a successful manager at a top club.
 

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Ole has done more with Molde than most if not all of the haters on here. If all of you are so great and right how come you are not a professional football manager?
Most? Would love to know which of the haters on here have achieved more in football management than Ole.
 

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Yes, his career and job in Spurs and Ole's career in United is the same thing. Come on man, i think that you know how stupid that comparison is
Historic comparison of their careers is fair and obviously Poch comes out on top (doesn't necessarily mean it will continue the same in the future).

It's just odd that you are saying being 13 (maybe 10) points off 4th is a 'must sack' situation and shows that he's definitely not good enough but for your managerial favourite with a better squad it's not any reflection of how good a manager he is. Why is one seen as definitive proof but the other just a blip (which has lasted the whole of 2019)?

Tomorrow we'll have nearly a full season (32 games) of results to compare Solskjaer and Poch. Currently it's 53 points vs 45.
 

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That's a wildly baseless assumption, mate.

I agree Ole isn't the right man to lead the club forward, but I would be reluctant to pull the trigger on him just yet because I have no confidence in the man afforded the responsibility to do the sacking and then choose a suitable replacement.


Four managers sacked, £800 million spent and wasted on transfers and multiple finishes outside the top four. All of this occurred under Ed Woodward, CEO.

If Ole goes, Woodward goes with him.
You're creating an unnecessary conundrum. Ole leaving can be independent of Woodward leaving. You also know very well Ed isn't going anywhere anytime soon so why admit Ole isn't the right man only to demand that his sacking be conditioned on an unlikely event (Woodward leaving)
 

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Most? Would love to know which of the haters on here have achieved more in football management than Ole.
So now Ole is being compared to the people on CAF? How have Manchester United fallen? We should be comparing our manager to the top managers of the world. Not to someone from a footyboard.
 

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Moyes also knows about football far more than Caf posters.

I guess we should have let him finish his 6 years plan after all.
 
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What about being the last manager to break the old firm stranglehold in Scotland to this day? Even without winning a European by defeating Real Madrid, he would've got the United job on merit due to his success at Aberdeen.
How dare you use real facts, cold logic and knowledge of football in an augment, it must have taken him a whole 3 mins of googling to find Mechelen and Royal Antwerp to bolster a joke augment.
 

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Historic comparison of their careers is fair and obviously Poch comes out on top (doesn't necessarily mean it will continue the same in the future).

It's just odd that you are saying being 13 (maybe 10) points off 4th is a 'must sack' situation and shows that he's definitely not good enough but for your managerial favourite with a better squad it's not any reflection of how good a manager he is. Why is one seen as definitive proof but the other just a blip (which has lasted the whole of 2019)?

Tomorrow we'll have nearly a full season (32 games) of results to compare Solskjaer and Poch. Currently it's 53 points vs 45.
No, it is currently Poch career in Spurs and Saints in which he did well( i don't want to start another topic here and talk about it) against Ole's career in Cardiff which was epic disaster and Ole's current career in United which is minor disaster( so far).

I don't get you. You really don't see how shit manager Ole is? After one year in charge, we play defensive football and play on counter attacks. No pattern in general play at all. He had 6 free months to evaluate squad( which finished 2nd), he had that famous pre-season, he had his transfer window and what happened? We have 13 points from 11 games without playing big away game. 13 points from CL spot.
 

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So now Ole is being compared to the people on CAF? How have Manchester United fallen? We should be comparing our manager to the top managers of the world. Not to someone from a footyboard.
Tbh, it is a winner in any debate on any football forum. "How many of you played football for United? Then shut up and leave Lingard/Jones alone".
 

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How dare you use real facts, cold logic and knowledge of football in an augment, it must have taken him a whole 3 mins of googling to find Mechelen and Royal Antwerp to bolster a joke augment.
That Royal Antwerp team had International players who played for Belgium in the World Cup Finals and also a regular Yugoslav International. So it was not a mickey mouse team. The Mechelen side beat Ajax in the Final. Again most of them were Belgian Internationals and played in the World Cup too.
 

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What about being the last manager to break the old firm stranglehold in Scotland to this day? Even without winning a European trophy by defeating Real Madrid, he would've got the United job on merit due to his success at Aberdeen.
Sure, and Ole got Molde their first title ever. Clearly Fergie had more merit, but his and Ole’s credentials are being compared with no consideration for context. That’s all.