That is exactly the reason. We do not want to go back to a manager coming in taking 6 months to assess a squad, then needs his signings and the cycle repeats itself.
You reckon? I think it’s easy to explain. I think the hard part is trying to convince the individual on the other end.
Umm. Ole out group needs to justify why he should be sacked and who'd be a good replacement. At the end of the day, the guy who is going to replace him needs to justify why he is a better option. That's how it works in literally every field, and not just football.
I've never said those things whereas I think my comment was an accurate representation of what you have been posting.
I’ve never asked anyone to justify why Ole should be sacked. You’ve missed the main point. No matter what the justification is unless the manager is Jorgen Klopp your not going to win an argument with posters who want Ole to stay. Even if it was Klopp they’d probably have an issue with that too. Imagine trying to convince a poster Klopp who just took a sabbatical from a failed Dortmund season needs to come in and replace Ole as he’s currently free and out of management? It would be piled with insults and what has he done lately. He’s a flop etc.
Your disclaimer is the main point though.
The reason I think you can’t win the argument is because you can’t put forward a decent option for a manager to replace Ole and reasons why. I havnt seen them anyway, just usual cries for sir Poch or allegri
Yes, but I do not think there is another manager who is as good as him at the moment. This is the problem.
1. Ole hasn't done all hat badly. But to say there is nobody else is ridiculous. Erik ten Hag and I can name others. Your mindset is of that of a Liverpool fan when they were stuck in nowhere land.
Except that Oles been in the job for almost two years and results wise, we've not really improved.
Please read it properly, I said there is no manager like Klopp, I know there are other managers around.
Exactly there’s loads of better managers around the world. Ole is NOT our only option like they try to make out
The issue with this way of thinking is that it's not drawing any experience from the past. Whether a manager has won trophies or not is actually irrelevant - Mou & LVG had won pretty much everything and Moyes had never won anything. What matters if if you can point to a manager's past experience and see evidence of building and improving a team. If that team matches with what you;d like to see in your club, you hire them and give them the tools to do just that. This is why our managerial appointments have been so strange - did we really envisage ourselves playing like Moyes' Everton, we all knew what LVG was about and were maybe duped by his national team setup, Mou was always a terrible match culturally & then Ole was an unknown.
Ole has been here 1.5 years, this is his first full season.
Asking people to name Ole's successor is a limp and tired attempt at moving the argument away from Ole's performances as a coach and instead asking fans to name a manager that YOU agree with.
Again, if a team is on the up, it makes literally no sense to sack a manager as there is no manager who can guarantee you instant success, or rather success. Whenever a team changes a manager, they are gambling on the fact that the new manager will perform better than the old one, and that decision is generally taken when the team is on the decline.
When someone says Ole is not good enough and needs to be sacked, the logical question is for who and why. Most of the time there isn’t a who to be named so the whole moaning of getting Ole sacked is stupid and pointless.
Because we actually haven't improved. Teams around have gotten worse. We're on course for the same amount of points as last season. A loss and its the worst points tally since SAF retired. Thats not an improvement on anything.
I'll rather throw a challenge your way:
Points, points fecking points. You can’t compare points across seasons unless you want to start question our 99 team? They wouldn’t have won the league most years, must have been shit compared to other teams who won the league
You can argue that Ole is doing the same with us though. The fact is that Pochettino was at Tottenham for a long, long time and he won nothing with a very good group of players, some would argue he had one of the best elevens in the Premier League. We therefore have learnt that Pochettino is very good at building a team, but has struggled and may always struggle to reach the final hurdle. That's fine, not every Manager is destined to be a winner. But we dont' know if this could apply to Ole, we're still early on in his rebuild of our squad, we know that our attacking players have improved, Martial has seen a massive rise in form since Ole took over while Rashford has not only brought more goals to his game but he's also developing into a playmaker. Greenwood goes from strength to strength. Shaw has improved his fitness and form, Lindelof looks like a decent CB finally. Heck, even Fred who I had totally written off has come good. There are signs that Ole is doing what Poch did and what Klopp did.
As far as the style argument is concerned, we have developed a style - I agree it has changed over the course of the season, but then one can argue that that's how it should be. Changing styles based on the needs and the players you have available. And I don't think the answer to our problem is expensive players - of course we need some marquee players like Sancho and maybe a proper DM, but in terms of starting XI, I do not think we're that far off - as is evident when we play sides without fixture overload.
Good post
Okay lets play into your narrative.
Finishing third would be akin to finishing 2nd under Mourinho.
It is still a strong league. People claim it is the weakest ever all the time.
Well well well
Hmm Greenwood is the main one- This kid is special. Is that down to Ole or just his natural talent- not sure but he does deserve credit for playing him. Martial has done a bit better. - seems more hungry which could be down to the manager.
Ive gave 5 managers twice now. Go back and tell me why they are not better options than Ole and I’ll tell you why they are.
Don't worry, it's been spotted.Well well well
Yes I agree. But relatively speaking we ha e failed in our approach for 7 years. Liverpool managed to grab a title but making a tough decision in sacking a manager who brought through youth, played very attractive football and was a slip away from wining them a title. The did so in knowing whilst taking a risk they was employing a manger with a better pedigree. Now Rodgers was young in manager terms and he also had the potential to get better (he does have titles under his belt now). So I take your point on board and your justified in your thinking but in my view there are managers there who are better than Ole which would do better with these current crop of players that would push us on to a tile challenge and a very good Champions League team. You have to remember teams do have cycles and he’s building a very good team ready for a cycle but he’s not the man to take us further with what we have.
Allegri and Bielsa have nothing to do with me.
Rogers got the boot when Liverpool turned to shit. Not when he was on the up there.
