Points aside, those GDs of Liverpool and City really accentuate the quality gap with the rest of league. Like I wasn’t worried enough...Needs posting here too
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Why do you believe Ole is the man to take us forward?
We've scored only three more goals than Liverpool have conceded
This was part of what Jose was trying to expose.
you're not living in realityThanks for that nice summary.
Yes, it seems that lately you are a little stingy. As you say it seems that the owners are not the best. I was struck by a thread from some a few weeks ago, a comparison about the fate of the American teams owned by United and Liverpool.
To be honest I wouldn´t have renewed Herrera, he is not good enough to pay him what PSG offered but spend 20, 30 million euros, or even a loan would have been great.
What would be your point of no return to stop supporting him? Would you give him all season even if you are 12th in March?
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I know why it was shown, i'm not that bloody stupid, but being the size of a friggin house Liverpool is the first thing that hits you.
Obvious oppo WUM is obvious.
12th? Seems high... seen the table? Seen our form? Do the math...
I GET THAT
But could you not just done a bit of wizardry and cut it down a bit and just showed the bottom 4/5?
The mistake was giving too soon the contract last season
Feck knows where i'm living to be honest, but this RedCafe fantasy world is a dangerous place not for the faint hearted.
The Manager in situ dictates who get's a new contract, and who doesn't, Ed or whoever the CEO/Chairman has very little or no say in it, same as it ever was.
Is it obvious, I mean really obvious?
If we are still in two of the cups(Europa League and FA Cup preferably)yeah i'd still back him, even if we were only a point above the relegation zone I would.
I think he'll walk before he get's pushed anyway, if things got that bad, he's a proud man.
We don't know how Ole would perform or who his team would be, why not?
I get that some of you have lost all faith in Ole and anything even slightly related to him, I just tend to think he's lacking in some aspects (tactical, recting to the game, subs, etc...).
Which is why I'm not adverse to keeping him around for the things he got right, and getting a coach/manager...
So not should, could.
It’s not really a big thing identifying one of the best right back in the league for £50m or a centre back Jose wanted for £80m. The way some are going he’s found some few gems for a few million. Like he’s found Vidic for £7m or something.
Don‘t sack.
What‘s a proper alternative right now? Nothing really. We badly need changes at other levels in the club, that‘s it..
What‘s a proper alternative right now? Nothing really. We badly need changes at other levels in the club, that‘s it..
Feck...i cant make up my mind, i've backed him, but said yesterday i want him sacked, but after a good nights sleep and some thinking i am unsure. On the one hand, everyone and his dog can see that we are beyond shite, the worst we have been since Fergie, but will a new manager really make that much of a difference?
Sack:
Pochettino has been the #1 candidate for a long time, but he seems to have lost the plot completely. If he had kept Spurs playing the way he did last year i would have wanted him in a heartbeat, but do we really want to replace a struggling manager with another one? Allegri is a "free agent", but would he want the job and more importantly, would he want to be tied down for a long rebuild?
Sorry for the rant, but i cant make my mind up.
Sack:
- Bad results
- Shite attacking play, create very little and when we do create we fail to score
- Few signs of progress, in fact we seem to have regressed overall
- Positivity is fine, but some honesty in the post match interviews would be good now. Stop saying "the lads worked hard" ffs. They need the hairdryer
- No room for sentiment in top level football. Cant me a manager just because he played for us
- Sticking with tactics and players that are clearly not working. 4231, Rashford at CF, Lingaard at #10 etc have looked awful since day 1. Stop it FFS!
- His three transfers have been our best players this season
- Injures...why so many damn injuries? What is our medical/fitness personnel doing?
- Squad is shite. There is no if's and but's about it. They are shite, probably the worst in 30 years. Defense is looking decent, but with Pogba and Martial out, the team we fielded yesterday is seriously Championship quality in MF/attack
- Had this been 2013, i would have wanted him gone a long time ago, but hes now the fourth manager in a row that has failed under Ed's watch, among the one of the most successful managers alive. Its clear the problems run much deeper than simply the manager
- Our defensive record is actually really, really good. Only Liverpool have conceded less, so if we actually remember how to score, then many of those losses will suddenly turn into wins since we are surprisingly solid in the back
- Just sacking him with no plan is senseless. I know watching us right now is painful, but knee jerk reactions is the last thing we need right now.
- Selling Lukaku and not replacing him was criminal. Was Ole truly happy with his options or was this yet another case of Woody faffing about?
- Players fecking up the most basic stuff like controlling a ball or making a 5 yard pass. Granted we dont look like a well drilled side, but this is schoolyard stuff.
- We are utterly clueless in attack. Amateur stuff game in and game out. Clearly the coaches and Ole have some responsibility but this is not FIFA eiter, they cant control the players from the sidelines and we are failing at the most basic stuff. We cross to no one again and again because our attacking players cant be bothered to make a decent run, there is zero movement when we have the ball, so we end up shifting it sideways again and again.
- Something is seriously fecking wrong with our players mentality/morale/confidence. Granted that Jose was toxic, but these players were more than happy to down tools and throw him under the bus. Then Ole came in and the played with the heart on their sleeves and then we reverted back to being fannies and now its worse than ever. Is it a case of wrong managers who cant motivate them or is it a case of toxic dressing room culture that needs to be removed root and stem?
Pochettino has been the #1 candidate for a long time, but he seems to have lost the plot completely. If he had kept Spurs playing the way he did last year i would have wanted him in a heartbeat, but do we really want to replace a struggling manager with another one? Allegri is a "free agent", but would he want the job and more importantly, would he want to be tied down for a long rebuild?
Sorry for the rant, but i cant make my mind up.
I want to assume you referring to shipping out deadwood and buying AWB, James and Maguire. Does it really take any special skills to ship out players literally everyone in the cafe wanted out and as for the purchases, apart from James (recommend by Giggs), anyone, I mean anyone would have bought the other two as they were prominent buys and not 'unearthed' ones.
If we do sack Ole and want to employ a DOF, we need to do the right thing and get a proper one. We have been run into the ground by these sentimental appointments. We need to fix it. Ole is not a DOF. He has been managing for 10+ years now and yet you still have people wondering if he is even a manager in the first place let alone DOF for which he has no experience at all.
Does AWB/Maguire/James really all that???
They're made better looking because we're so bad, if this is the grand ol United team they'd just a decent buy, nothing less nothing more.
Maguire last nite doesn't look like an 80M pounds Defender, he can't even keep Newcastle at bay, even if it's not his fault, you'd think if he's that good he'll have more presence in the match. James was blowing hot and cold, and now revert to a very mediocre footballer who can't made anything happened against the mighty magpies
Just replying on the bolded part, he failed big time on that. He fail to instil any sort of urgency towards our player, our player played as if they don't care. 0 shots on target against Alkmaar, any sort of players who cares would throw the kitchen sink, bombard them with shots "To the very least"
From what I've seen so far, our players don't give a feck, they don't care at all, they're resigned to the fate, we're not going down fighting and screaming, we're laying back help the oppo ram their cocks against arse by parting it (sorry for the spartacus joke), 1-0 against Newcastle and there's no urgency around 80th minute, there's no angry manager at the sideline, nothing.
Ogs is the managerial equivalent of Lingard. Hope we have yet to see his Messi Lingard form.
He won't go till Poch is available.
The squad is the problem, our 1st eleven and bench (apart from James defense when fit) has no players that are worthy of their spots right now, and probably only Rashford, Martial and Pogba would even make the bench elsewhere... I like McT and Adreas but they are just not the grade, maybe someday but not yet
You mean his day to day job?
Haha. Made me laugh. Like saying a bricklayer lacks the skills to mix the cement and you know lay the bricks.
No top manager is available at the moment, and that is assuming that any top manager would be interested in the chaos that is United these days.
I don't know if some of these merry-go-round average managers would do a better job than Ole at the moment. There's a serious possibility of firing Ole and firing another one before the summer. The playing squad is pathetic.
Ole has to go. There are no two ways about it. But unless the results hit rock-bottom in the next couple of weeks, I would start identifying one or two targets (the whole process can take several weeks to months), wait until around December and get the new man in a few weeks before the winter window opens.
When was the last time we fired two managers within the span of a single season?
I don't know if some of these merry-go-round average managers would do a better job than Ole at the moment. There's a serious possibility of firing Ole and firing another one before the summer. The playing squad is pathetic.
Ole has to go. There are no two ways about it. But unless the results hit rock-bottom in the next couple of weeks, I would start identifying one or two targets (the whole process can take several weeks to months), wait until around December and get the new man in a few weeks before the winter window opens.
When was the last time we fired two managers within the span of a single season?
Has he gone yet?
we saw it when he first came in on that winning streak then like lingard nose dived off a cliff.
We could do that or get a stop gap, someone like a wenger to come in right now, what you say makes sense but we are 5 behind points 4th and 7 behind 2nd, by december it might be too late. Sacking him and getting even a semi competent manager might salvage this season, given everyone barring liverpool are also having a poor season.
so we give a manager 5 years contract and sack him in few months, not even let him has time to change his team ?
What sort of motivation would a caretaker manager have to come here?
If they go on a 14 match win streak, the calls for them to get the job will be muted.
The more I think about it the more I think that the board are still of the mindset that they have already got a caretaker manager and as such these results are half expected. We’re just cruising along for a season trying to get this team of kids to gel before another manager will come in and have the squad and finances ready to make it his own.
If they go on a 14 match win streak, the calls for them to get the job will be muted.
The more I think about it the more I think that the board are still of the mindset that they have already got a caretaker manager and as such these results are half expected. We’re just cruising along for a season trying to get this team of kids to gel before another manager will come in and have the squad and finances ready to make it his own.
I still believe in him. Don't shoot me.
It's not fair to take this all out on Ole when you see the team we field. Unpopular opinion but even SAF would get dumpstered with the squad we have.
Our team is very very bad especially with Pogba and Martial out. I still think he needs couple more transfer windows to see what he can do.
Another unpopular opinion, we are playing better football in general than we were with Mourinho.
It's not fair to take this all out on Ole when you see the team we field. Unpopular opinion but even SAF would get dumpstered with the squad we have.
Our team is very very bad especially with Pogba and Martial out. I still think he needs couple more transfer windows to see what he can do.
Another unpopular opinion, we are playing better football in general than we were with Mourinho.
I am in total agreement that Ole is not simply the problem and that the squad is mediocre at best.
The issues come from the very top and my long term hope is a new ownership that does use the club to make them money. I would settle at this time for a competent football man in charge of the ..... football and Ed being left to do what he does best, make money.
But let's be honest, Moyes and Mourhino are the only two managers we have actually hired in a proper sense. LVG was a "who is available" after ditching Moyes and Ole is a caretaker who got the full time job and shouldn't have.
Ole does not have the pedigree or the ability to manage this club and as it pertains to this moment, fight his way out of relegation.
More needs to happen than getting rid of Ole, that doesn't mean we shouldn't because of that fact.
My view is to keep him in the role, get through this patch of bad form. Get our injured players back and sign a creative midfielder and a forward in January. Lets not get in on the sacking merry go round.
Those defending him based on lack of signings, how do you explain Ole saying he was happy with the squad?
The ones who are saying there's no one to replace him, do you want him to continue until it's too late to turn around?
Spurs are in bad form but the gulf in class between Poch and Ole is huge. If Poch is available we need to go for him. He's shown he can work with limited squads and spending. Spurs form at the moment is the exception not the rule, whereas the opposite applies to Ole.
The guy is so far out of his depth its unreal. Love the player but he is not the man to take us forward.
The ones who are saying there's no one to replace him, do you want him to continue until it's too late to turn around?
Spurs are in bad form but the gulf in class between Poch and Ole is huge. If Poch is available we need to go for him. He's shown he can work with limited squads and spending. Spurs form at the moment is the exception not the rule, whereas the opposite applies to Ole.
The guy is so far out of his depth its unreal. Love the player but he is not the man to take us forward.
That's on him though.
If finances were limited don't blow your whole budget on positions you are relatively well stocked while neglecting other areas.
There is no excuse for selling two strikers and midfielders and not replacing them.
Ole has to take the blame on that.
The board is incompetent, but so is the manager. We need someone in one of those positions who knows what they're doing and the reality is that will have to be the manager because no one is firing Woodward.
Not drastic because you cannot relate a player being a player for us V management. He was a Manutd player on merit, that is why he was at United for a long time.
You cannot keep him a manager because he is a club legend.
Also, can we please stop making comparisons with Fergie ? That was then, football is ALOT different now.
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