Zen86
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I thought it was quite obvious to be faircleverly disguised sarcasm I think.
I thought it was quite obvious to be faircleverly disguised sarcasm I think.
Sorry don’t agree on AWB. For his first season he’s posted up reasonable attacking stats. Even yesterday people moaned about that cross but if we had a poacher gambling they would have gobbled that up.You called it last summer on AWB. I was sceptical and thought he might improve but it’s clear he’ll never be up to standard attacking wise.
No, no it doesn't. In what way is them having a shot or two blocked misleading? We also had several shots blocked. We had almost 3x as many attempts. We also hit the post 4 times. We also had a marginal offside call go against us. We also had a genuine penalty claim turned down. Your attempt to suggest that those precious few shots they had blocked by our defenders doing their job somehow makes the game closer than it was is the actual attempt to mislead here.In that case, the use of 'shots on target' doesn't tell the full story and is used misleading in this case to represent how much we 'dominated' them then isn't it?
Did they have a few limited good chances towards our goal or got into our box more comfortably that we wanted? Yes.
Did we make fecking hard work of those 14 chances on target? Yes.
Should the players take responsibility for the finishing? Yes.
Do I think Ole has shown some consistent deficiencies enough to call him out it? Yes.
Does that mean I think he has been terrible for us? No.
Why is it so black and white for some you and being so defensive?
Look at some of the recent replies, who basically say the same things. We are not are well coached as we can be; no more no less to that statement.
He says, then proceeds to offer no single stat to back that up. Go ahead and offer up those stats bud.This thread once again has some very astute observations which are countered by pure whataboutism and top red nonsense. This doesn't lead to a good discussion but just pointless name-calling.
It's all well and good saying you believe in Ole and using stats that help your case but there are just as many, if not more, which show the opposite.
Yes just like LVG and Mourinho were able to.Give any random poster the same budget here and I think they would do equally well.
I kind of get what you’re saying, but we have to remember these are minnows on bad form, it wasn’t Watford at home in the Premier League. We were never in danger and would have equalized if they went one up with that chance they had after some silky play... but the game was a tactical wreck. We were 11 better players against 11 weaker players and in the end it showed, but the lacking calmness and erratic attacking play shows us how little is implemented from training. A win is a win, but still worrying. I am not very concerned about Sevilla or Inter, because they will give us more room and we will score more easily (which is ironic of course), but we really should have killed that game in the first half by showing superior attacking play and skill. We didn’t, we gave them an opportunity to bite and they took it immediately.You can’t be serious. It was a great game to watch! We got so unlucky on many occasions which made it better to watch. How are some of you so blind to see a good game of football when it happens? If a couple of them posts or wondersaves would have gone on you’d all be creaming your pants saying how good we are. Get a grip.
I honestly can't think of a reason to fire Ole and this just cements it.1 loss in 24 btw.
It's pathetic.It's a really sad indictment of our fan base when we struggle to win a game this thread gets a bump.
Start the post with "top red nonsense" and then in the same line talk about good discussionThis thread once again has some very astute observations which are countered by pure whataboutism and top red nonsense. This doesn't lead to a good discussion but just pointless name-calling.
I don't think many are. Less than a quarter of people who have responded to the poll want him gone and it's essentially just a few dissenting voices in the actual discussion.I honestly can't think of a reason to fire Ole and this just cements it.
Imagine trying to argue otherwise.
This thread/poll has never reflected the fanbase as a whole.It's seriously disturbing that ¼ of United fans still vote Sack Ole end of season & appoint new coach ASAP
My flabber has never been so gasted.
Yeah I know, even if the near 25% include rival fans, confirmed idiots, and those who still believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy it's still high.This thread/poll has never reflected the fanbase as a whole.
It was mateI thought it was quite obvious to be fair
The result definitely has a bearing.It's literally the same two or three usual suspects who trot out the same waffle in this thread, no matter the result. We get it, some of you won't change your stance on Ole but regurgitating the same drival after every game is fairly tedious.
One of them is @Justin BieberIt's seriously disturbing that ¼ of United fans still vote Sack Ole end of season & appoint new coach ASAP
My flabber has never been so gasted.
So, Copenhagen had more class on the ball ... moving us from side to side and creating ... zero shots on target.The 'philosophy' to possession when we have the ball is pretty much 'it's a free hit'. No cohesion, subtlety or patterns of play at all. It's why AWB can have the ball so many times and he's not getting called out by his team mates or Ole when he does jack all with it.
Copenhagen had more 'class' on the ball, stretching us from side to side with a quarter of the talent, technique and athleticism. Shameful stuff.
What does Carrick, Phelan and McKenna do? Ole deserves a lot of credit for his man management, it's absolutely brilliant and breath of fresh air. He's got the players to defend as a team, be switched on defensively, work hard and be expressive when attacking but feck me it's pretty 'enjoy yourselves lads, go out and there do your work' with no further instruction. It's absolutely no wonder we look so limited and out of ideas when we're not waiting for a moment of individual brilliance.
Have you ever wondered why? This is Manutd and we have alot of other fans who hate us. They produce memes and stuff about Manutd, the manager and the players, which alot of fans then start believing.It's seriously disturbing that ¼ of United fans still vote Sack Ole end of season & appoint new coach ASAP
My flabber has never been so gasted.
Since lockdown, P13, W9, D3, L1.Where exactly are you expecting me to type my opinion from? Why are you jealous of my comfortable home?
Are you going to take my opinion more seriously if I was in any discomfort?
I agree with your analysis of the game, but isn't some of your submissions prooving my point?
Why should we sign someone who is not comfortable on the ball? I had rather sign someone who is excellent on the ball with 50% of AWB defensive ability.
The coaches are paid to organise the team and make it more modern.
Everybody can see how pogba is isolated in midfield since lock down except the coaches who apparently know more than the rest of us.
Oh for God sake. I love this kind of arrogant thinking. Despite 6 odd years of complete and utter squad mismanagement since Fergie left us, we should immediately be qualifying for finals. What a joke.United reaching a semi final is no achievement. It's finals we should be concerned with.
It really was! It was a fabulous post. When I saw the first response to it, my eyebrow was raised. I couldn't believe it as I read on, the number of people who didn't get it.I thought it was quite obvious to be fair
It was mate
Goes to show just how highly strung this thread really isIt really was! It was a fabulous post. When I saw the first response to it, my eyebrow was raised. I couldn't believe it as I read on, the number of people who didn't get it.
The second half of the season has been a step in the right direction but certainly not worthy of rapturous joy. Ole's goal is to get us back on our perch and he's said as much regularly. We're not Arsenal.Oh for God sake. I love this kind of arrogant thinking. Despite 6 odd years of complete and utter squad mismanagement since Fergie left us, we should immediately be qualifying for finals. What a joke.
No one's saying there should be rapturous joy.The second half of the season has been a step in the right direction but certainly not worthy of rapturous joy. Ole's goal is to get us back on our perch and he's said as much regularly. We're not Arsenal.
Yeah that's a fair point!No one's saying there should be rapturous joy.
If a lack of relentless negativity is rapturous joy then it just goes to show how toxic this place gotten
I don't think there has been rapturous joy. I think there has been cautious optimism from a lot of us. My own personal thinking is, if he shows progress again next year, we stick with him. I don't see a title challenge next year, personally. We're too far away still. Don't have the squad for it. But if we cement ourselves in top 4 and have a good run in a cup or two, all the while cutting more of the dross, more good signings, more attacking play ... I'm happy.The second half of the season has been a step in the right direction but certainly not worthy of rapturous joy. Ole's goal is to get us back on our perch and he's said as much regularly. We're not Arsenal.
Okay Paul Ince.Give any random poster the same budget here and I think they would do equally well.
True. And if doing analysis maybe how well organised and how few goals Copenhagen let past them should be taken into account.Wow.
We could have scored 6 tonight in a European QF if it wasn't for the keeper having the game of his life and bad luck hitting the post so often. We've won the last 2 rounds by 5 or 6 goals.
But apparently we're clueless with the ball. You're definitely critical but I wouldn't call what you're doing analysis.
Okay Paul Ince.
I think sacking Ole is unthinkable right now and would be a clear sign of madness. Are we where we want to be? No, but I have more concerns over Woodward than Ole to be honest when it comes to getting there. Maybe I am overstating things and am being too dispassionate about it but there are clear shoots of recovery, we are not close to the finished article but we have a bit of an identity back and Ole has bought himself more time at the very least. We need to cement ourselves as a top four club next season and not be scraping in on the last day again and show some more consistency. Will we be able to challenge Klopp and Pep for the league under Ole? Not at the moment but the signs are we on the right track.I don't think there has been rapturous joy. I think there has been cautious optimism from a lot of us. My own personal thinking is, if he shows progress again next year, we stick with him. I don't see a title challenge next year, personally. We're too far away still. Don't have the squad for it. But if we cement ourselves in top 4 and have a good run in a cup or two, all the while cutting more of the dross, more good signings, more attacking play ... I'm happy.
There's too much short term-ism in football these days in my opinion. Needless to say, if we stagnate / regress, then I'd be thinking differently.
But no, I've not seen rapturous joy.
But the state of this thread, and the other Ole one? It's incredible. If we don't win a game comfortably you just know there's pages and pages coming in these threads. It's pathetic.
Actually, there is rapturous joy. There's rapturous joy from the naysayers who can come in and whinge when it happens. You can tell, gleeful. "I told you." "Tactically inept". "Low block". "No attacking football". "No plan." etc etc.
Good post. Especially the last paragraph.I don't think there has been rapturous joy. I think there has been cautious optimism from a lot of us. My own personal thinking is, if he shows progress again next year, we stick with him. I don't see a title challenge next year, personally. We're too far away still. Don't have the squad for it. But if we cement ourselves in top 4 and have a good run in a cup or two, all the while cutting more of the dross, more good signings, more attacking play ... I'm happy.
There's too much short term-ism in football these days in my opinion. Needless to say, if we stagnate / regress, then I'd be thinking differently.
But no, I've not seen rapturous joy.
But the state of this thread, and the other Ole one? It's incredible. If we don't win a game comfortably you just know there's pages and pages coming in these threads. It's pathetic.
Actually, there is rapturous joy. There's rapturous joy from the naysayers who can come in and whinge when it happens. You can tell, gleeful. "I told you." "Tactically inept". "Low block". "No attacking football". "No plan." etc etc.
Yes, I believe you would. Like you said, posters will cling to anything to try to save face. Listen, I criticise Ole more than most, but I want him to do well and I’d be absolutely thrilled if he won the league or the champions league next season — which would prove me wrong as I’m not sure if he’s the one to take us right to the very top again.He says, then proceeds to offer no single stat to back that up. Go ahead and offer up those stats bud.
What this thread demonstrates is there are plenty of people out there that has an inability to admit when they are wrong, and will massively overreact to a game in order to try and 'save face.' If their keeper didn't have the game of his life, setting a record for saves, or we didn't have an affair with his right post, do you think we would be having this discussion right now? If our finishing was sharper and we scored 4/5 goals, which was just as likely as scoring 1; do you think we would be having this discussion?
They stats have been reasonable but I don’t see him being an attacking threat to be honest. There are times in the game where he has so much space in front of him and he does nothing with it, I almost want to throw my remote through the tv. He gets the ball where he can in space of 3-4 seconds move the ball up the pitch 15-20 yards and he almost never does it. That would improve our play so much. It would make us more fluid and faster in attack.Sorry don’t agree on AWB. For his first season he’s posted up reasonable attacking stats. Even yesterday people moaned about that cross but if we had a poacher gambling they would have gobbled that up.
Ole hasn't been backed ???Ole has won 50 out of his first 89 games as manager - the second best in the all-time Man Utd list, behind Jose.
Which is all the more remarkable when you consider that he hasn't been backed anywhere near as much as Jose was and the issues he has with this limited squad.
Learn to read, please - the crucial clause in that sentence was "anywhere near as much as Jose did". Jose's incomings that summer you mentioned was over £180m, with no major outgoings to recoup any of that outlay. Ole's summer signings comparatively cost £145m, with over half of that being recouped through the sales of Lukaku - so yes, he didn't get backed anywhere near as much as Jose did.Ole hasn't been backed ???
What?
Would you care to explain how much did Maguire, Wan Bissaka, James, Bruno cost?
Cause I think that Pogba, Zlatan, Micky and Bailey cost much less. Also Jose didnt have a winter transfer.
So the myth that Ole hasn't been backed is pure fiction for the Ole fanboys