I’m losing hope myself. How do we open our CL group with wins against the two teams favored to win the group and then lose to the whipping boys of the group? Team selection and substitutions are Ole’s biggest weakness. This team plays without fear of being dropped. He’s too much their friend I think. I don’t know if Poch is the answer either but I still think we’re only going to continue repeating the same mistakes if we don’t change the structure of the club and hire a dof before hiring a new manager.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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For me it's not just about the loss, I can forgive a loss, sometimes these things just happen against any team in the world, small or big. It's the level on the pitch that's has me calling time on this, what in the hell were both of those goals, completely amateur organisation, structure etc on the pitch against this team is absolutely criminal for this club
Just look at this. How can you say there is any type of coaching looking at this? Go and play.
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There was no urgency to make runs in behind that defense. Just jogging and passing sideways as it was some sort of friendly
Ole for United should just have been the interim manager who with his feel good factor gave the squad back it's mojo, their confidence after the Jose debacle, while a capable board looked for a suitable, quality manager to succeed him shortly. As usual, our imbecile club management made the worst possible judgement to give him the full time job instead and set him up to fail. Time and time again, this board has shown their ability to make the poorest decision in the circumstances consistently.
Ole in or Ole Out
Lockdown or don’t lockdown
Biden or Trump
All topics where rational discussions are impossible.
Ole has a 19.8% winning rate without penalties
@ mods I think this poll is very outdated, most of those who polled hardly changed anything and some of them are probably aren't even here. Time for a new poll?
To be fair to ed he don't have any other options with Ole performing that well, I knew it went downhill after PSG but who would and could have foreseen that.
If he didn't give Ole the contract and the next manager do so much as playing badly or didn't win the treble fans would be blaming him for not appointing Ole.
That's my problem with appointing ex legend as interims, they might get lucky and made a meal out of it (Nothing personal), you imagine if Giggs somehow made us play better and won 4 out of 4? He'll only undermine the next manager, whoever that is.
"We should have gone with Giggs, legends love united and all that" will be the punching line every time the team didn't perform
That's the problem
Lvg/Jose are winners, they push and shove you to the point of extreme because they understand the level they demand
If our players have no problem with Ole's man management while they're playing like championship team then they're a bigger problem than the management.
Roy Keane / Gary Neville even prime Ole won't love Ole's happy go lucky man management, they want to win and they won't gonna take this "It's ok folks, you tried your best, now off to your holidays" atttitude.
Sacking Ole will solve nothing just like sacking Jose and everyone else solved nothing.
And what would keeping him solve
To put it simple.
1. We don’t look like , we don’t act and we don’t play as a team.
2. Simple mistakes from the first to the last minute. Miss placed passes, over and over and over again.To many touches before every pass. Running with the ball when a team mate is free. Pedestrian. Slow tempo. Often without options.
3. Unorganized in every department. In defense. Up front. In the middle. Set pieces.
4. Clueless players. With the ball. Without the ball. In defense. When we attack. When we have possession. Set pieces.
5. Passive manager. Passive players.
6. What is our game plan?
7. Our substitutions. Its just weird. It’s like someone tries to sabotage our team.
8. Formation? Starting line up. Do we make any consequence analysis when we start certain players together?
9. Players in panic mode. Players acting like zombies. Manager and our captain without authority.
It’s like witnessing a school class ,without a teacher, trying to organize and learn something they don’t know.
Sometimes it’s comical. Often it’s tragically embarrassing.
You don’t know if you want to close your eyes, continue looking or just walk away screaming. It’s like a nightmare and you know you’re awake. It’s freaking bizarre!
1. We don’t look like , we don’t act and we don’t play as a team.
2. Simple mistakes from the first to the last minute. Miss placed passes, over and over and over again.To many touches before every pass. Running with the ball when a team mate is free. Pedestrian. Slow tempo. Often without options.
3. Unorganized in every department. In defense. Up front. In the middle. Set pieces.
4. Clueless players. With the ball. Without the ball. In defense. When we attack. When we have possession. Set pieces.
5. Passive manager. Passive players.
6. What is our game plan?
7. Our substitutions. Its just weird. It’s like someone tries to sabotage our team.
8. Formation? Starting line up. Do we make any consequence analysis when we start certain players together?
9. Players in panic mode. Players acting like zombies. Manager and our captain without authority.
It’s like witnessing a school class ,without a teacher, trying to organize and learn something they don’t know.
Sometimes it’s comical. Often it’s tragically embarrassing.
You don’t know if you want to close your eyes, continue looking or just walk away screaming. It’s like a nightmare and you know you’re awake. It’s freaking bizarre!
Not really,
Sacking moyes - LVG : FA CUP
Sacking LVG - Jose : UEFA Cup + League Cup
There is no problem to solve, football is not some 25 years enigma, you hire the best coach for the season and aim to win shits every season. It's that simple. Everyone else is doing it, and everyone else is successful enough doing it, we're the only team that seems to think you can only win it the SAF ways
Moyes is much better manager than Ole at least at EPL, the only reason we didn't give him more time is because he wasn't our club legend.I thought i would never say this sentence but today is the day "I would rather have Moyes as our coach than Solskjaer"
But at end of the day we can't blame Solskjaer because his level isn't the Premier League and Champions League.
I think that's it for me. Seeing that 1st goal we conceded, I'm just convinced we need someone else to be drilling these players.
I'd have loved it if Ole was the one to bring us back but doesn't seem like he has it in him to do it.
I'd have loved it if Ole was the one to bring us back but doesn't seem like he has it in him to do it.
Not the same players.
Moyes's players didn't have a clean slate under LVG, Van Gaal's players didn't have a clean slate under Mourinho, and Mourinho's players didn't have a clean slate under Ole. So I don't think you have to worry about Ole's players having a clean slate.
I have backed Ole all the way and was adamant he deserved another season based on last one, but its pretty fecking jarring to see how pedestrian we look at times. Did not get the chance to see last nights game, but seeing the highlights was enough to see we yet again get undone by absolute amateur mistakes.
Next 4 games should all be winnable really. If we feck up those too i think he needs to go
One thing i see in this thread often that has started to get under my skin a bit is how people go on about how much individual quality here there is and we only need a good coach to unlock them. Are they though? Many of these players have been here much longer than Ole and its been the same story under 2/3 different managers. Look great one match, then like a complete bunch of amateurs the next one. Not trying to deflect blame away from Ole here, but the players needs to be held responsible as well.
Forget tactics and "patterns of play" for a while, what we often see is in games against supposedly inferior opposition that we get more than matched in intensity and individual execution of the footballing basics.
Next 4 games should all be winnable really. If we feck up those too i think he needs to go
One thing i see in this thread often that has started to get under my skin a bit is how people go on about how much individual quality here there is and we only need a good coach to unlock them. Are they though? Many of these players have been here much longer than Ole and its been the same story under 2/3 different managers. Look great one match, then like a complete bunch of amateurs the next one. Not trying to deflect blame away from Ole here, but the players needs to be held responsible as well.
Forget tactics and "patterns of play" for a while, what we often see is in games against supposedly inferior opposition that we get more than matched in intensity and individual execution of the footballing basics.
It feels like Ole is happy to just be manager of United without actually winning anything. And the Glazers are happy that he is happy unless he costs them money by missing out of 4th place. This is a really pathetic state of affairs. I think we are in a good position to switch things up. Come on Woody, pull the trigger. You know you love this part of the job. Buys you more time yet again.
Of course he is happy just to be manager of United, which top team you think he's going to coach after he gets sacked? I doubt he'll even get another chance at a top league.
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Bruno
Cavani
Tuanzebe
Greenwood
Around half of the team that played yesterday were players Ole bought or promoted. So I'm not sure why posters keeps saying these players get every managers sacked. Also, he's been managing this team for a good 2 years.
Although it's a lot easier narrative to paint though.
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Cavani
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Greenwood
Around half of the team that played yesterday were players Ole bought or promoted. So I'm not sure why posters keeps saying these players get every managers sacked. Also, he's been managing this team for a good 2 years.
Although it's a lot easier narrative to paint though.
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Let’s hire one more manager. Ole manages the big games where we are expected to lose. Counter attacking football. 3 points. The other one sets up the team for matches against cannon fodder, against whom we drop points very often. Easy fix 
That's what happens when the manager doesn't hold them responsible and it's why he has to go.
Too many players are automatically picked despite underperforming.
Way out of his depth..... he was out of his depth in the short spell he had at Cardiff for God’s sake !!
Hes had long enough
Who is he going to replace them with though? In midfield we have played pretty much everyone we have and in attack we dont really have any options unless we fetch someone from the academy.
Are you suggesting we wheel our Phil Jones to teach Maguire and Lindelof a lesson?
Changed vote. No system, no cohesion and no stability. He needs to do better with this squad. It’s in my opinion better than what people give it credit for. I really like Ole, so it’s a shame. But he has proven nothing to give him more time on this level.
This excuse again.
Play the fecking youths, the results literally can't go worse since we're losing anyway. Who knows, maybe one of them takes his chances and ends up being a starter just like how Rashford stepped up. Anything is better than doing the same old shit and expecting things to magically change.
Ole literally does feck all to change things when we're on a bad run and it's why we keep going on such long runs of being shit.
Frankly, thats a daft idea
Do you think taking some academy players and throwing them to the wolves just to teach the senior players a lesson is going to benefit the club as a whole? Thats the kind of vindictive shite Jose does and it always ends badly.
Of course the players needs to be held responsible, i wrote it a bit further up this page. They are complicit in this shite as well, but the problem goes far beyond Ole and simply replacing him wont solve it. The reason we have ended up here is goes much farther back than that.
1) Is the ridiculous way we handle contracts. Extending the contracts of deadwood just to "protect their assets" is incredibly daft. If you have 5-6 first team players who get paid 100k/week just to sit on their arse its going to breed complacency. The likes of Jones, Rojo, Lindgard etc should have been sold ages ago, but instead we keep renewing their contracts despite them never playing
2) Is how that we overpay our players. We have the second highest wage bill in the league, only slightly less than City, but far far from the quality they have. Its also a bit ironic that the club is more than willing to throw money at deadwood and mediocre players, yet when it comes to transfers we apparently have a tight budget.
3) Is how utter shite we have been in the market the last 7 years. Not only have we done loads of failed player acquisitions, we have also paid out the arse for most of them.
If this keeps up then Ole should deservedly be sacked, but Poch and his magic wand wont fix this overnight. People go on about how much "individual quality" we have, but i'd say there is a clear lack of proof for that statement. When have these players proved they can deliver class performances on a consistent basis? Not under LvG, not under Jose and not now. With a few notable exceptions like Rashford and Bruno, we have way to many players who are overrated fannies with shit attitudes that does not deserve to wear that shirt.
A simple change in coaching staff wont fix this. I'd be thrilled to be wrong about it, but i honestly think we need big changes at the very top and in the playing staff before this is going to look any better
I remember Ole's first pre season, where we struggled against some random Norwegian team who parked the bus, only winning it at the death.
I was surprised at the time, but ultimately thought it was a one off. In truth we haven't progressed at all from that level, in 2 years. Still the same old problems, which begs the question of why hasn't he actively tried to solve the issue in all that time?
I was surprised at the time, but ultimately thought it was a one off. In truth we haven't progressed at all from that level, in 2 years. Still the same old problems, which begs the question of why hasn't he actively tried to solve the issue in all that time?
Like Ole as a man but it's clear to see there is no structure or style to our play. We are a counter attacking team relying on individual brilliance to get us out of trouble. We cannot break teams down, we have no quality on the wings. We are even poor defensively this season. The club havent learned from past mistakes we tend to stockpile players in certain areas. We have how many CB's and CM's?
Maguire
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Bailly
Tuanzebe
Rojo
Jones
Mengi
Matic
McTom
Fred
Pogba
Bruno
VDB
13 players!!! And yet despite all that we still dont have a fecking RW. I mean jesus christ what is going on here. Ole wants to try and shoehorn as many players into that team as possible, he needs to cut some loose and stick with a core group.
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AWB Lindelof Tuanzebe Shaw
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Give that team 10 games
Maguire
Lindelof
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13 players!!! And yet despite all that we still dont have a fecking RW. I mean jesus christ what is going on here. Ole wants to try and shoehorn as many players into that team as possible, he needs to cut some loose and stick with a core group.
De Gea
AWB Lindelof Tuanzebe Shaw
Fred VDB
Bruno
Greenwood Cavani Martial
Give that team 10 games
this thread would look very different if it was say Tim Sherwood as our manager?
OGS is not Manchester Utd a level manager and never will be plus when he eventually does get the boot lets see if there are any other PL clubs that will employ him.
OGS is not Manchester Utd a level manager and never will be plus when he eventually does get the boot lets see if there are any other PL clubs that will employ him.
I just don’t how he and the “coaching” staff could just sit on the bench and see the defensive set up for that first goal without one running to the touch line and barking orders? Why does he just sit there with his legs crossed and watch the monitor?
Every other top6 manager is on the touch line for the majority. Especially the new unproven guys like Lampard and Arterta.
Every other top6 manager is on the touch line for the majority. Especially the new unproven guys like Lampard and Arterta.
Players that can perform so well against PSG and RB Lepzig but couldn't get simple passes against minnows . A Manager that get it right in most big games but keeps loosing against Minnows. We are not a good place are we?
Nobody's throwing the youths to the wolves. The point is to promote them to keep them motivated and to make the first team players realise their spot is up for grabs if they don't perform.
It's literally straight out from Fergie's playbook, promote some youths to give them a glimpse of first team action and make them hunger for more so they'll be motivated to get into the first team permanently. And at the same time it gives the first team players a break and keep them on their toes because they know that there's competition for their spot. The key point is to do this even when results are going well but Ole always waits till it's too late before trying anything different.
A change in coaching staff is very important because nobody looks like they've improved as a footballer ever since they joined the club. We're supposed to be a top team and yet the majority of our coaching staff are in their first ever stint at a big club and it's showing on the pitch. We look uncoached and lost everytime we can't counter. Players are just passing the ball around aimlessly with practically no threat to the opposition.
Yes the board is a total mess, but simple stuff like actual coaching can't be blamed on them unless you want to blame them for hiring the wrong guys.
Exactly.
People are blinded for their love by Ole the player and keep giving him leeway which is exactly what Woodward and the Glazers were aiming for when they gave him the job fulltime.
The youths get their chance when they are ready. Starting them just to teach a lesson is a massive risk as we dont want their first experience with first XI football to be a bad one.
Martial, Fred and Rashford have undoubtedly improved under Ole. The problem is with the former two, are they good enough to be playing for us though? Fred barely looked like a Championship footballer under Jose, now hes much improved, but besides having a good engine and being a decent tackler hes bang average imo and 1 goal and 1 assist in 51 PL appearances is hardly impressive. Martial is a strange one. One week he looks happy and plays some great football, then the next one he is sulking and barely makes his presence known.
Not saying we currently look greater than the sum of our parts, but i honestly dont think coaching is going to rectify that because a lot of these players are simply not good enough and/or dont have the right attitude.
As i said, if Poch or whoever can turn this lot into title contenders i'd be thrilled to be proven wrong about that, but i dont think thats possible.
And again, the correct manager can fix players attitude and get the best out of our current crop of players if he holds them responsible.
Ole came in from day 1 saying he'll hold players accountable and yet it's clear that Martial, Rashford, Bruno, Maguire, AWB and De Gea plays as long as they're fit regardless of their form. Add Pogba in and that's basically only having 4 spots up for grabs, how are the rest of the players supposed to get motivated when they know they just won't get the chance to play unless one of Ole's favourites gets injured.
Just take a look at Leeds as an example of how a proper manager can improve a team. Put Ole as the manager of that Leeds team and they're relegation favourites.
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This can't be repeated enough times. And still people would ignore it...
I agree. We shouldn't have sacked Atkinson either. Sexton, Doch and O'Farrell didn't do that great so what's the point of sacking him anyway. It solved nothing at all.
If Ole is having to coach them on how to pass a ball to the right per with the right amount of pace and direction, there is little wonder that we have bCoach them during the week maybe?
Are you serious??Coach them during the week maybe?
If you think Ole needs to coach players on the same team to make a pass with the right speed and direction, it’s no surprise that we haven’t moved on in 2 years
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