Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

Sack or Keep OLE?

  • Sack Ole & appoint new coach ASAP

  • Keep Ole & back him to finish rebuild

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tomaldinho1 said:
My point is it is unprecedented for any PL club to sign a manager whose sole experience in the biggest ~10 leagues in Europe was getting sacked in less than a season. Nothing against the Norwegian league and respect to Ole for winning it with Molde but there are levels when it comes to managerial jobs and the league where Lord Bendtner can finish top scorer is not the league I would want to be picking my United manager from if that was the only success on their resume.
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Kind of reminds me of when Tottenham hired Christian Gross from the Swiss league in 1997.

The thing about both Pep and Zidane is that before their appointments they were already working for Barcelona and Real, who could have evaluated their work up close and decide they are worth a shot.

Solskjaer came straight from Norway, and even though he worked for us for a few months before getting the job permanently, I don't know who in the club had the football knowledge to seriously evaluate his work.
 
Really sick of all the bollocks spouted by pundits and a lot of fans. Since OGS was manager we’ve had the best post Fergie period by a long shot. The current buzz words are “leadership” and “style of play” it’s all total bollocks. We’ve had some fantastic highs under Ole, the best since Fergie in my view. If he can coach and set up a team tactically to beat the big boys like he has numerous times perhaps we need to look to our saints and hero’s who are the players as to why they just don’t turn up for the lesser games. It’s a disgrace the disrespect OGS gets in the media and by many on here. I just hope we smash Everton tomorrow and get back on a good run then all these experts can pipe down a bit.
 
LJJT said:
Really sick of all the bollocks spouted by pundits and a lot of fans. Since OGS was manager we’ve had the best post Fergie period by a long shot. The current buzz words are “leadership” and “style of play” it’s all total bollocks. We’ve had some fantastic highs under Ole, the best since Fergie in my view. If he can coach and set up a team tactically to beat the big boys like he has numerous times perhaps we need to look to our saints and hero’s who are the players as to why they just don’t turn up for the lesser games. It’s a disgrace the disrespect OGS gets in the media and by many on here. I just hope we smash Everton tomorrow and get back on a good run then all these experts can pipe down a bit.
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When some doesn’t get the dress code. That’s what you sound like.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Just watched it. Amazing. After 2 years he is still talking about bumps on the road. But i give him one thing; he is clever fecker. He always, when results are bad, casually throws some excuses without saying them as excuses. Like today when he reminded all how we beat RB and PSG. Or how it is a long term process etc...

I would take Moyes back right now. His football is at least more exciting with billion crosses :D
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I would rather have Pardew over Ole right now. At least his disco dancing on the touch line is better.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
As you say, it's not the PL. I can't think of any examples of Pep/Zidane in the PL which is kind of the point, they are complete outliers and from a very different league.

My point is it is unprecedented for any PL club to sign a manager whose sole experience in the biggest ~10 leagues in Europe was getting sacked in less than a season. Nothing against the Norwegian league and respect to Ole for winning it with Molde but there are levels when it comes to managerial jobs and the league where Lord Bendtner can finish top scorer is not the league I would want to be picking my United manager from if that was the only success on their resume.
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Give over! Taking over Real and Barca after only coaching B teams briefly is a VASTLY bigger jump.
 
LJJT said:
Really sick of all the bollocks spouted by pundits and a lot of fans. Since OGS was manager we’ve had the best post Fergie period by a long shot. The current buzz words are “leadership” and “style of play” it’s all total bollocks. We’ve had some fantastic highs under Ole, the best since Fergie in my view. If he can coach and set up a team tactically to beat the big boys like he has numerous times perhaps we need to look to our saints and hero’s who are the players as to why they just don’t turn up for the lesser games. It’s a disgrace the disrespect OGS gets in the media and by many on here. I just hope we smash Everton tomorrow and get back on a good run then all these experts can pipe down a bit.
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What exactly is bollocks about it? :lol:

We are a team that looks like it has zero leadership. In all but 3 matches this season we've look totally bereft of it. In many more last season as well.

We're also a team that has no discernible style of play, other than when we're the underdogs and we sit deep and hit teams on the counter. We have no clue how to break down low blocks or deal with teams that put a high press on us. And on top of that we have no fecking clue how to press as a team. Our off the ball work has usually been shambolic.
 
jderbyshire said:
Just reading this Andy Mitten article in The Athletic.

He said this:



He's obviously not been on here then!
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What it actually means is ....more opposition and Norwegian Ole Instagram fans have voted for Ole to stay
 
We need a guy who does not care about the football side of the club (Ed) because of his overlords (who give no shits about the club other than leeching it of cash), to rid us of a guy who loves the club and actually cares about the football but is not very competent- just so we can put ourselves in a similar position with new guy (whoever they may be) in a couple of years.

Depressing
 
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hobbers said:
What exactly is bollocks about it? :lol:

We are a team that looks like it has zero leadership. In all but 3 matches this season we've look totally bereft of it. In many more last season as well.

We're also a team that has no discernible style of play, other than when we're the underdogs and we sit deep and hit teams on the counter. We have no clue how to break down low blocks or deal with teams that put a high press on us. And on top of that we have no fecking clue how to press as a team. Our off the ball work has usually been shambolic.
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When we signed Bruno and he was looking good everyone was saying what a leader he is. Maguire too. Who’s the leaders at city since Kompany went? No one shouts out to me. How about spurs? None there for me. Liverpool have got one or two, Chelsea? maybe one at a push? It’s a load of shit. when your on form and doing well everyone’s happy, no one said we had no leaders when we pushed on to third at the end of last season. No one was moaning about or style of play or lack of coaching then. Now we are analysing every single word in a press conference? No one moaned about the “press” vs city last year or Chelsea. Or PSG or RB recently. It all boils down to form and a bit of luck here and there but ultimately the players decide. Quite often they are the ones who don’t turn up. Ask yourself over the last 7 years why do we suddenly try in the last 10 mins when we getting beat? It’s not on the managers or the coaches. It’s attitude of players
 
LJJT said:
Sorry if I’m not following the narrative of everyone else but a lot of people are being driven by sensationalist bull shit in my view.
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Nothing wrong with following the narrative.. it’s just the fact you actually believe this is working and that people have changed there stance because Andy Mitten now has doubts too.
 
It's exactly on the coaches and the manager. If he can't get the players to play for him then he has to go. The club needs a manager who gets their respect.
Ole has to go no matter if we win on Sunday or not
 
You know how you know Ole is not good enough? He's talked about how he wants us to press high yet we are so disorganised at pressing and not even consistent with it. He's talked about how he wants us to be the fittest and run more than anybody in the league but we clearly aren't. He talked about how he wants quick transitions yet unless we are counter attacking we often play with little urgency He likes to play a high line and push his full backs high yet he wanted Maguire a very slow defender and Awb who is bad in attack. This is how Ole wanted us to play and almost 2 years he's been unable to implement this. Results can be inconsistent but a style of play is consistent (unless you change it)
 
jamesjimmybyrondean said:
He likes to play a high line and push his full backs high yet he wanted Maguire a very slow defender and Awb who is bad in attack. This is how Ole wanted us to play and almost 2 years he's been unable to implement this.
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That is going to be a problem for Poch as well if he comes. If you don't have a DoF who's been buying players for the last three years to play your style, you are in trouble. If you don't have one doing it for the next three years, you are fekked.

Ole is not a particularly good coach. But I doubt anyone could prosper in these circumstances.
 
Rolaholic said:
The turn has been swift on here sheesh.

Even though I like some of the names floated around as successors I'm almost certain we'll be back to this stage in a few years just as we have now with Ole, and Jose, and LVG, and Moyes before them...

Not much will change with another new manager so long as we have the three blind men in charge of running the club and refusing to restructure our football operations. Shame someone like Ole's the scapegoat this time around.

Good luck to whoever gets thrown in the meat grinder next
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100% agree with this, it just doesn’t matter. The Glazers are obviously clever people but it makes you wonder having been here many years you’d think they must know the structure ain’t working as we’ve been through 3 managers already and they 4 is on the verge....
 
So I'm Ole out now but I've been wondering.

What if it actually is the players?

What if we have a real challenge with players that play for one of the biggest clubs in the world without actually having deserved that honour?

From day one they are paid big money and have the prestige of walking out at Old Trafford but other than maybe Pogba(WC winner), none of them have ever been worthy of status. New players coming in previously had to prove their worth, our players are valued highly in all regards before doing ANYTHING.

It goes without saying that our players lack something. Sometimes it's hard to figure out what that is and it's very hard to understand why that is.
 
McTerminator said:
I don’t disagree with people saying Ole needs sacking. A loss to Everton and it’s pretty hard to argue against it.

However, what are you going to do when the next guy comes in and fails?
Some of you lot deserve Woodward and the Glazers.
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It's pretty simple, you get the next guy in. Liverpool went from Benitez to Hodgson to Dalglish to Rodgers and then got Klopp.

Do you think it would've been sound to say "okay, so we sack Hodgson, what do we do when the next guy comes in and fails?" and expect the answer to be "hmm well then sacking has been proven to be ineffective so keep Kenny until the end of time.

Our situation right now is very much like the one we took the piss out of Liverpool for being in. Club's in a slump. Manager's not to blame, everyone's blaming the American owners, team's raising their game against good opposition but regularly fails to beat the cannon fodder. Now we, too, have resorted to hiring a club legend as manager and are in a situation where we may need to consider sacking said legend, with many fans opposed to doing it for no better reason than "I loved him as a player" and wishing him to get sacked as manager would somehow make someone less of a United fan, or something. It's all just very familiar.
 
A club the size of Man Utd to allow the like OGS continue is rather confusing. Man Utd should have a top coach, a 5 year plan, throw the rubbish like Pogba, Linguard, Maguire, Martial ect out - might score about 150 to 200m for that lot. Since SAF left the arrogance displayed has been astounding, many new/young fans forgetting the club was not exactly tearing up trees before SAF arrived. You can't buy success these days. Money helps, but you need a good coach with a plan. If I was a director I'd want an Alegeri to begin such planning and quit trying to throw money at the problem. That's my two cents.
 
bsCallout said:
So I'm Ole out now but I've been wondering.

What if it actually is the players?

What if we have a real challenge with players that play for one of the biggest clubs in the world without actually having deserved that honour?

From day one they are paid big money and have the prestige of walking out at Old Trafford but other than maybe Pogba(WC winner), none of them have ever been worthy of status. New players coming in previously had to prove their worth, our players are valued highly in all regards before doing ANYTHING.

It goes without saying that our players lack something. Sometimes it's hard to figure out what that is and it's very hard to understand why that is.
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You say that like it's only one thing holding us back (the manager).

Of course it's largely down to the players. It's OK to want the manager out while at the same time think these players aren't good enough (ability or mentality wise) to win a title either. They don't have to be mutually exclusive.
 
Foxbatt said:
It's exactly on the coaches and the manager. If he can't get the players to play for him then he has to go. The club needs a manager who gets their respect.
Ole has to go no matter if we win on Sunday or not
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I keep saying the same thing about you, but you are still here!? No one is going anywhere...
 
Leftback99 said:
You say that like it's only one thing holding us back (the manager).

Of course it's largely down to the players. It's OK to want the manager out while at the same time think these players aren't good enough (ability or mentality wise) to win a title either. They don't have to be mutually exclusive.
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The next top class manager is not going to win the PL or the CL but he is going to get better outcome with this lot of players. Then you take the next step and get a couple of better players.
 
Foxbatt said:
The next top class manager is not going to win the PL or the CL but he is going to get better outcome with this lot of players. Then you take the next step and get a couple of better players.
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True. Aside from the wages, another reason why we can't get good fees for our players is that the managers never seem to get the best of them. Hence they're always sold at a low point with a depreciated value, which of course affects transfer dealings.

If we have a manager able to get 100% out of the players and sell them on a high, then we'd probably be able to afford most players with the income we'd get.
 
bsCallout said:
So I'm Ole out now but I've been wondering.

What if it actually is the players?

What if we have a real challenge with players that play for one of the biggest clubs in the world without actually having deserved that honour?

From day one they are paid big money and have the prestige of walking out at Old Trafford but other than maybe Pogba(WC winner), none of them have ever been worthy of status. New players coming in previously had to prove their worth, our players are valued highly in all regards before doing ANYTHING.

It goes without saying that our players lack something. Sometimes it's hard to figure out what that is and it's very hard to understand why that is.
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They lack a proper system. The players rely too much on their ability rather than a system. Why is it that every time Rashford Pogba Martial Maguire Bruno gets the ball they always try to do something special with it?
 
He'sRaldo said:
True. Aside from the wages, another reason why we can't get good fees for our players is that the managers never seem to get the best of them. Hence they're always sold at a low point with a depreciated value, which of course affects transfer dealings.

If we have a manager able to get 100% out of the players and sell them on a high, then we'd probably be able to afford most players with the income we'd get.
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I agree with you. It's also a board problem. We seem to go after a certain player only and then raise his transfer fee. If we look at a couple of players in any position then we would have to get a better chance of getting the players at a decent price. If the selling club knows that we have a couple of options then they are more flexible.
There are plenty of players around that are better than what we have around the world. But we need a top class coach to get those players.
Players like Harland would come if they know if we have a top class coach. He said Dortmund is a good place for players to get better.
Looking at United no player who wants to improve is going to come to the mess we are having. Both at board level and managerial level.
 
bsCallout said:
So I'm Ole out now but I've been wondering.

What if it actually is the players?

What if we have a real challenge with players that play for one of the biggest clubs in the world without actually having deserved that honour?

From day one they are paid big money and have the prestige of walking out at Old Trafford but other than maybe Pogba(WC winner), none of them have ever been worthy of status. New players coming in previously had to prove their worth, our players are valued highly in all regards before doing ANYTHING.

It goes without saying that our players lack something. Sometimes it's hard to figure out what that is and it's very hard to understand why that is.
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Most of those players Ole bought/promoted. But nevermind that, it is not on players. It is on manager. In good times and bad times. He picks players, he runs trainings, he is in charge for match preparation, morale, sharpness etc....
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Most of those players Ole bought/promoted. But nevermind that, it is not on players. It is on manager. In good times and bad times. He picks players, he runs trainings, he is in charge for match preparation, morale, sharpness etc....
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Yeah the players that actually go on the pitch are 0% responsible for any result.
 
He'sRaldo said:
Point is obvious, but since you need it spelled out it's basically that you can't say it's largely down to the players... unless they win that is. That's simply biased.
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What? If the results of football matches (win, lose or draw) aren't largely down to the players that walk on the pitch I'm completely lost.

You keep believing it's 100% the guy that sits on the bench though. No doubt you will change your mind once we change manager.
 
Leftback99 said:
What? If the results of football matches (win, lose or draw) aren't largely down to the players that walk on the pitch I'm completely lost.

You keep believing it's 100% the guy that sits on the bench though. No doubt you will change your mind once we change manager.
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When Sir Alex was winning all those trophies, how much was our success down to him?
 
He'sRaldo said:
When Sir Alex was winning all those trophies, how much was our success down to him?
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A large part. Again what's your point?

We also had brilliant players with top mentality. But no that didn't matter at all?

SAF also didn't win the league every season, coincidently the seasons our squad was weaker (strange).
 
Foxbatt said:
Let's see who's going to stay or go? I have been a United supporter since 1967. When did you become one?
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Dont remember. In the early 80’s through my father. Lost interest a while, but refocus my love when Van Gal brought one of my old coaches. But I didn’t post after last season Ole deserved another year, only to jump ship after a few early bumps.
 
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