A dream week for us where we play Man City and Tottenham play Palace and Liverpool play Fulham.
What a dream week. Why is the gab not closer?
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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What a dream week. Why is the gab not closer?
Nice one fella. Next time, just remember you don't need to impress random guys on the internet.
If someone told you that all our rivals failed to win and then said we had only managed a draw you wouldn't be disappointed?
Ole is making steady upwards progress.
It's a sign of the great job he's doing that people are now judging United by the standards that Fergie set, rather than the standards that Moyes set.
We're now expected to knock out big teams in the CL, beat Manchester City on a regular basis and dominate every game we play. That's a far cry from the situation when Ole first took over. And when we don't, people feel we underperformed.
It's been years since United's entitled glory-hunting fans have had a significant voice. The fact they're back is proof that the club is also back.
It's a sign of the great job he's doing that people are now judging United by the standards that Fergie set, rather than the standards that Moyes set.
We're now expected to knock out big teams in the CL, beat Manchester City on a regular basis and dominate every game we play. That's a far cry from the situation when Ole first took over. And when we don't, people feel we underperformed.
It's been years since United's entitled glory-hunting fans have had a significant voice. The fact they're back is proof that the club is also back.
Hilarious.
What's with this 'joke'? Can anyone point to a single post from anyone saying they think Ole will become the next SAF?
Sensible. Surprising coming from you.
In what? His and our blood pressure?
That’s all well and good, but the point you responded to was whether our draw looked as bad now as it did before Spurs and Pool drew. I get the missed chances argument, but to claim it makes our weekend look worse is just doing some sort of calculus that I’m afraid I don’t get.
No, Ole once failed in Cardiff. Even in Norway, which is (with all respect to Norway league) tier D of European football, he didn't do some great job like some of you try to present.
And all of you want new striker, winger or defender. All of you have high standards for Man Utd players (which you should of course) but for manager....well, he must know the club. That is what is important.
And now in defending him you pull some ridiculous stats about last 5 games, Bruno table and who knows what will be next.
Depends on the context. If we had played Fulham and City and Pool had drawn with each other, I'd obviously want us to close the gap. But in this case, I'm pretty satisfied as at the end of the day it was a tough opposition
He asked if the draw now doesn't look bad and imo it looks worse because we could have gained points over all our rivals.
That wasn’t the question. Our game had already been played. With it being a draw, does it make our weekend better or worse if Spurs and Liverpool draw as well? Some here would prefer to see us falling further behind, it seems.
Just to remind people who are viewing this thread.
There's been a lot of people calling me a WUM in this thread.
This is because I asked a question.
How many more points should United have in the league this season? If we want Ole out how many more points should we have?
The answers I've got so far:
A) No more points we need to play better football (?)
B) We should have gone through in our group with PSG and RBL.
I mean, I'm not happy with those answers really. I have a feeling that the real answer is:
c) I can't actually say how many more points United should have because if I typed it out it makes me feel ignorant (dum dum poppy head @PoTMS)
There's been a lot of people calling me a WUM in this thread.
This is because I asked a question.
How many more points should United have in the league this season? If we want Ole out how many more points should we have?
The answers I've got so far:
A) No more points we need to play better football (?)
B) We should have gone through in our group with PSG and RBL.
I mean, I'm not happy with those answers really. I have a feeling that the real answer is:
c) I can't actually say how many more points United should have because if I typed it out it makes me feel ignorant (dum dum poppy head @PoTMS)
Absolutely and we played against a fairly tepid City side. It was a winnable game if we'd had the ambition.
In league position, talent of our squad and style of football.
A tepid City side?
Where do you think that City side will finish in the league this season?
I'll admit that this is a different way to look at it.
You mean damage control I guess ?I couldn't honestly give a shit how Ole did before he come to our club.
Yeah, I get the point. It just doesn’t make sense, is all. For one, with Spurs being held to Palace and Fulham, drawing to City doesn’t look as bad. Secondly, our game had already been played. Now choose a scenario to make our weekend look better. Do you pick one where Liverpool and Tottenham get 3 pts?
Sack Mourinho sack klopp, sack everyone and play fifa 21 on big screens. There is a kid in Austria who has 240-0 score on weekend league in fifa 21.
It is said and repeated 100 times already and i don't have desire to name names again and again.
To say it simple; i would take Moyes back any second if it is Ole or Moyes. He is space shuttle comparing to Solskjaer
No, you honestly don't get it.
It doesn't have to make sense. It has to feel like a good point.
No, I'd prefer us to be closer. Winning games gets you more points. We were very capable of winning yesterday.
Hence why I'm advocating us playing with more ambition to win games.
I don't think it's a joke, it's more of an attempt to wind up.
Regarding your question, the concern is more that Ole hasn't won anything of note in a major league in his 9 years of management. Rather than throw himself into more difficult leagues and be under the microscope for Premier League clubs (like Lampard for Derby, Gerrard with Rangers, or even Viera's attempt with Nice), he decided to manage Molde after a diabolical run with Cardiff. Of course he's well within his rights to do that, but then no one can argue when he has zero credibility to his name.
Don't think for a minute by the way that Liverpool fans are not enraged with how they saw their team play. They just wouldn't call for a sack because their manager is Jurgen Klopp, who won titles before he came to Liverpool and won titles during his time with Liverpool. He has more than enough goodwill to continue inconsistency long before they utter the word "sack".
Ok I got your point as I said above. You're talking about damage control after we already dropped points that rivals didn't get more points over us. Fair play then. It's a different way to look at it.
All of which is being held back by the man in charge.
Ok, it wasnt a tepid City side. It was a side that respected our strengths and played their football accordingly. How often do you see City use just the 4 attackers and one FB in attacks?
I'm pretty sure Ole and Pep knew from the second first 15 mins were played that the game will end as a stalemate unless either side doesn't make a stupid error.
Just to be clear.
How many games should we have won this year where we haven't? How many more wins in the prem would you be happy with?
It is such a simple question. It honestly doesn't require much introspection.
How many more points should we have won through ambition this year?
It makes perfect sense. You're obviously more of a pragmatist than me.
This City side will probably end up winning the league. Let's be clear - anyone finishing above them will probably win the league.
But - they're a 'tepid' side.
Fair enough. His tactical proof by knockout record is also loss, loss, loss, loss as you say.
Were you expecting different? It was a easy group for them on paper and on grass
Sorry, spotted your other reply a bit late
Some day I’ll learn that lesson and then I’ll earn the big bucks!
Here's how this argument effectively boils down.
We drew v Man City
Liverpool drew with Fulham
Tottenham drew with Palace
Chelsea lost to Everton.
I see it as - We played by far the hardest teams and lost no ground to our rivals.
Others see it as - Even though we played the hardest team - we should always win and if not it's all on the manager.
There are simply those ways of looking at it.
There is so little correlation in a managers on camera appearance and his ability to lead a team to a title that I can't even try and put a ounce of effort in explaining it. I hope ole comes out on the next presser painted in viking colours and decapitates a chicken on live tv while screaming threats into the camera. That's the pashun we need.
The wins are not the problem it's how we have achieved them. Long term it's simply unsustainable to come back from losing positions most weeks.
We have been pretty fortunate to end up with the amount of points that we currently have and I find it concerning because over the course of a season we will get found out.
Why do you need to come with baseless facts. If you knew what Solskajer did in Norway, you would see him as a person that made Molde what they are now and put stop to Rosenborg dominition. Sometimes, it is better to not say anything.
Celebrating draws tells you everything you need to know about Ole ins
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