We don’t even have a style at the moment, not sure how he doesn’t suit us.
Winning suits us. Or at least it used to. The expectations of the fan base is in the gutter these days. They don’t care about winning leagues anymore. It’s all just sentiment & romance. Since Ole’s last trophy, the Norwegian FA cup 8 years ago, Conte has won 5 league titles, one of them the premier league, he wins a league everywhere he goes, but they don’t want him because Ole is a nicer guy & understands the “United way” Last time I checked the “United way” was about winning trophies at all cost, not playing 2 DMs at home to shit teams & winning nothing. Whatever though, some will delude themselves until the wheels fall off.
Two of those players were on the books when Ole came in.
This echoes my thoughts entirely, what a breath of fresh air reading this post.
It means he doesn't build attacking, expansive teams and doesn't build for long-term. He is not a manager of a big club who can deliver success for 10-15 years. He is not Sir Alex. He is clearly 1000x better than Ole for short term wins
I don't even want Conte at United but how can you possibly say Conte hasn't done anything amaizing in his career? He has won Seria A and Premier League and has built one of the best Italian national teams, off of scrapes, in 2016. What Conte did with that team, despite freak defeat against Germany on penalties, was marvelous and it got him the Chelsea job and he came in and won EPL right away.
For me it's not about keeping Ole, it's just that I don't want Conte here. I think he will be Jose MK2 in terms of when things don't go right with player recruitment etc he will fall out with the board and back to square one again.
I wasn't doing a like for like comparison man.
Yeah we agree on the profile bit.
Same here. It all feels a-bit like 'oh he's available and better than Ole, so let's get him'. For me, that's the kind of short term planning that has us where we are.
Same here. It all feels a-bit like 'oh he's available and better than Ole, so let's get him'. For me, that's the kind of short term planning that has us where we are.
I think we should give Ole the season, but have a proper contingency plan in place to get rid, if we don't challenge for the PL and look respectable in the CL. It's not looking promising so far, so chances are, this will be his last season. We really, really need to make sure our next appointment is the correct one, and a modern, progressive manager is highly desirable. If we feck up yet another managerial appointment, I honestly have no idea where it'll leave us. There should already be behind the scenes work going on in this regard. But do I trust us to be making logical, proactive steps like that? feck no
I'd agree. Some fans think you have to think the manager is great to be a "real fan".
What is the definition of "be in the running for the title"? Can we agree that finishing 2nd, if you are nowhere near the winner is not really being in the running? Do you have to retain a mathematical chance of winning the title at least until game 35 (three games till the end)?
Who the feck cares? Having a manager for the next 10-15 years should not be in top 1000 priorities when judging the next manager.
Tbf, Williams is shit and Henderson had no business being our No.1. Saying that I grant you Henderson, totally forgot about it. With regards to Williams, where is he?
I don't see anyone sticking their nose up at Pep?
By all accounts, it has though?
You are way too harsh on the young players. No manager would throw them in at the speed you seem to want.
Something along those lines, be within say 5 points going into the last 5 games or something. Its not an exact science like I say but just feeling like we really could win it going into the last few games.
We don't know though. Pedri last season was a revelation for Barca, despite that he was only 18.
He might be, by the time we are looking (probably not for at least another couple of seasons).
Shaw for Telles, and Lindelof for Shaw, I would say. Varane in the center of defense, Maguire left, Lindelof right.
Yeah, that's a fair definition. I don't think Ole has any chance of doing anything like that if current rot continues. As a matter of fact, if things don't improve we won't be able to finish above Liverpool and will have to settle for 4th place (at best) behind Chelsea, City, and Liverpool. Which sucks, because couple weeks ago I was certain we'd finish above Liverpool, at least.
And yet it is. Our most recent memory of "good times" is still that of Sir Alex, and therefore that is what most fans are looking for. Becoming Chelsea, who replaces managers every couple years and doesn't care for growing youth through academy, is not us. If we became such club, it would be a huge departure from traditions. Not a trivial move.
Most fans pinning for another SAF are deluded.
What about becoming Chelsea who wins trophies every year?
What if the players in the academy just aren’t good enough though? I mean the cream rises to the top right? Shouldn’t we only be interested in academy players who show world class potential? Rather than obsessing over it the way our fans do? Chelsea don’t prioritise promoting players from the academy yet Mason Mount & Reece James start for them, John Terry is a legend for them. Players who are good, but not quite good enough, like Abraham, Tomori are sold for big fees. I don’t see what’s wrong with this? Chelsea would’ve sold players like McTominay, Tuanzebe & Williams by now for about £80m combined, and used the money to make the squad better. Instead one starts who clearly isn’t good enough, while the other 2 are on loan & will either be sold for far less than we could’ve got at one point, or be released. We’re not ruthless enough with academy players.
Our fans constantly call him a chequebook manager, so they do.
