Ole is not any version of Conte.
Would you take Conte at United?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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You'd need a lot more than 4 billion to buy the club. It's the Glazers golden goose. They're not selling it unless something major happens or they get an absurd offer. Didn't the Saudi prince try buying it for 4 billion, anyway?
Well how we played yesterday in that formation, imagine how we would play with Conte who is a master of that. We are really, really stupid if we carry on with Ole after international break.
It's a football coaching job, not a marriage or parent-child relationship.
So we have no desire for organizational stability, got it.
Other clubs, with proper structures, are able to be successful even when changing managers fairly often. Just look at Chelsea. We have to lose the notion that a football manager ("head coach" these days!) is supposed to stay "forever".
Being existentially lost at the thought of having to replace an individual manager is the exact opposite of organizational stability.
Manager staying 2-3 years is a stability. Changing 6 managers in a season like few Serie A clubs means lack of stability.
We hit the jackpot twice, once with Sir Matt and once with SAF. Manager staying 2-3 years is normal except few exceptions.
Must be the same feeling as being existentially lost by the thought of not buying the domestic leagues top players from Dortmund to avoid competition.
Ouch, that hurts. Top level deflection.
This reply doesn't make any sense. So he is a Bayern fan, let's take a dig at Bayern and Bundesliga just because he made valid point.
Madrid change managers every 2-3 years. For a long time - every year. Bayern do the same. Chelsea do the same. Barcelona did the same before their financial difficulties. These clubs? Psst, not good enough for us. Only we are the most special club in the world and desire every manager to stay here 10+ years at the minimum.
bingo.
if anything it just shows how unorganised we are as a club behind the scenes.
the fact we have to rely on 1 man being in charge of a global giant to keep us winning is a bit stupid.
if your coach isn’t performing you get replaced. no other elite sports club has this strange romanticism or having ex players in charge forever and ever.
Why not?
My larger point is: Conte will want to buy players to fit his formation, which is fine, he's the manager.
Do we simply re-tool with new purchases if we hire a new manager with a different approach 2 seasons down the line or do we hire a manager in the same mold?
Well, that's the other side of the coin, of organizational stability beyond the managers position, of course.
If you sack a manager because you feel he doesn't do a good enough job to manage the team, it follows that you will require the manager you hire to do a better job WITH THAT TEAM.
The notion that every manager gets to 'build their own team' is absurd in that context, for the reasons that you express in your post.
Any new manager after Solskjaer, whenever that transition happens, be it Conte, Ten Haag, Potter, or someone else in the future, should be able to work with the team that is there, plus a few normal, gradual additions as clubs do every summer. You have a good squad, Conte can be successful with that squad no problem.
Is this your first year watching football or something? Conte wants to buy his players. Wow. Same as every manager in existence, I guess.
I mentioned this earlier in another thread and I was shot down with a “Do you really want us be run like Chelsea??!”. Had no idea how to reply to that.
I’m like yeah.. I would be delighted if our club won the UCL with a brilliant manager.
Real organizational structure would facilitate a regular turnover in managers (the norm in today’s game) without a clean break in terms of playing style and squad recruitment every time. Our problem has been that we have no organizational structure, which in turn has made the above completely dependent on whichever manager we happen to have in charge at the time. Which means that when these managers go wrong (as almost every manager does at some point) we are left picking up the pieces rather than moving on with a smooth transition.
Yes. How about you and I become friends? Its getting a bit tiresome with this hostility you got going on.
How are you today? Life treating you well? What are your hobbies?
I'm just asking. Your arguments are baffling to me. What is it you even want? Another Fergie? That's not happening. Let's modernize as a club instead of wallowing in the past and hope for some miracle to happen.
Well, yeah! Two FA Cups, two CLs and two league titles since 2012.
Tottenham fans and players wanted it more
They certainly didn't play like it
Mourinho PTSD is so real a lot of ours can’t differentiate between a challenging/demanding manager (most at the top level) and a genuine cnut (Jose)Yep. Not a 'yes man', is he...
55% don't want him
Guess you deserve to be where you are.
That's an assumption.
organizational stability should not affected by managerial changes.
100 % Agreed, we as United fans always seem to fixate on some type of build teaming fantasy. It's one of the reasons why we've been stuck in an eternal rebuild. Even now, after 3 seasons there are fans saying we need a DM and a RB. Teams like Bayern, Chelsea and Madrid are always successful despite manager changes. If Pep leaves City tomorrow they'll still be successful. It's United and Liverpool that have this dumb notion. They just got lucky with Klopp.
It's just weird to mix up Conte and Mourinho when Conte won the league with the very team and squad that Mourinho was steering towards relegation the season before.
Should be Woodward PTSD more like, cause he hired Mourinho at that very moment
Wanting Ole out and thinking that prehaps a weaker version of Jose is a good option is not the same thing. It is something to ponder for the 47% that think this ridicilous option is a good idea.
Yeah right…
It was Conte who literally stabilised Inter and Juve.
Utter nonsense. What good is stabilised mediocrity?
It is in no way a certainty that Conte would fall out with the board. If he feels backed and trusted, why would he? And we sure as hell normally back our managers with transfers.
And even if he left after 2-3 years, so what. We'd probably have a title and/or a trophy or two, and then we'd get a new class manager.
A fresh perspective and a new voice in the dugout is not a bad thing, sometimes in the right thing.
Days of SAF are gone, lets be modern and challenging again.
And even if he left after 2-3 years, so what. We'd probably have a title and/or a trophy or two, and then we'd get a new class manager.
A fresh perspective and a new voice in the dugout is not a bad thing, sometimes in the right thing.
Days of SAF are gone, lets be modern and challenging again.
I'm actually bemused by some people here, I do think most of our fans are United fans and not football fans. Fans that are in their own bubble of United and have no idea of the goings on in football outside of the Greater Manchester Area.
That would make sense if Conte was the only solution to what is going on at the moment. Fans are allowed their own opinions and laughing at them for having a different view is really condescending.Yep. Not a 'yes man', is he...
55% don't want him
Guess you deserve to be where you are.
We just got a live demo that 3-4-3/3-5-2 works with this team. And we have a manager available who is a master at it, is one of the best tacticians in the world, and is a winner everywhere he goes. A brilliant man manager, but also someone who doesnt accept anything less than 100% from his players.
If we persist with Ole, while Tottenham end up getting Conte, I'll be extremely depressed.
If we persist with Ole, while Tottenham end up getting Conte, I'll be extremely depressed.
Conte won't go to Spurs, he rejected them in the summer and from reliable reports he only joins teams mid season if it's an amazing opportunity. It's probably a ploy to get us to bite.
I hope we do.
The question of whether you "would take Conte" isn't tied to him being the only solution.
For example, faced with the same choice, I would take Conte at Bayern even if I would prefer to take Ten Haag over him.
But saying that you wouldn't take one of the very few genuine elite managers around is what seems truly condescending to me.
I think if we could be sure that the club’s apparent reluctance over Conte is down to him not fitting the long-term vision we have in terms of the team then most of us could understand and accept that even if we disagree. However there’s a complete lack of trust in the club hierarchy to get these things right, and in this case it’s fueled by the suspicion that the club believes that Solskjaer fits the club’s long-term vision, which is quite frankly bizarre given his lack of credentials and conservative approach.
And there is another, deeper suspicion that, despite the appointments of Fletcher and Murtough (who you might think should be at the forefront of defining our long-term vision for the club), our decision-making process is ultimately driven by an unhealthy combination of romanticism and commercialism, in which case having the best manager possible is preferable, whatever their own philosophy.
And there is another, deeper suspicion that, despite the appointments of Fletcher and Murtough (who you might think should be at the forefront of defining our long-term vision for the club), our decision-making process is ultimately driven by an unhealthy combination of romanticism and commercialism, in which case having the best manager possible is preferable, whatever their own philosophy.
Because people have different opinion? You know that people who don't want Conte are not implying that want Ole in charge right? There is a split in whether we need Conte or someone like Ten Hag. There is a merit in that discussion.Yep. Not a 'yes man', is he...
55% don't want him
Guess you deserve to be where you are.
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