You massively overrate Leicester and obviously don't watch them. They don't play 'brilliant' football or get brilliant results for the squad they have.Jesus.
If Leicester fans were sinners in a past life and their penance in this was to be saddled with Solskjaer as manager, there’s no doubt in my mind they’d be relegation candidates. Imagine being the proud owners of the defensive statistics we have this season - where we are practically bottom in every important metric, not to mention the obscenity that is our ‘running’ record - but replicate them with a Leicester squad who possess far less talent than we do… the results would not be pretty.
We are in a clinically depressing situation whereby our current manager and coaching setup is so out of their collective depths that it’s hard to believe but the players they preside over are so talented that they continually mask the managerial and coaching deficiencies. Give Solskjaer an inferior squad (as we have seen before with Cardiff) and he will massively struggle; give Rodgers an inferior squad (as we have seen before with Swansea, Liverpool and Leicester) and he can produce brilliant results playing brilliant football.
Solskjaer and Rodgers are polar opposites when it comes to understanding and implementing footballing styles and tactics. The fact this needs to be even argued among our fanbase is a very worrying development after having front-row seats to the footballing shitshow (from a playing style and tactical point of view) that’s been the last three years.
It's kind of hard to sustain "punching above your weight". Instead of giving him credit for overachieving for most of the season, he gets shit on for "bottling it". Unless you actually believe Leicester are a top 4 side?Well if your team is comfortably second, about 15 points ahead of fifth, and then goes W4 D5 L8 in the last third of season, which is basically relegation candidate form, it’s quite concerning. You can’t even blame this on fatigue as they went W2 D3 L4 after COVID break which is terrible.
Then the season later you are in top 3 for almost the entire season and drop out of it two games before the end, going W1 D1 L3 to finish season.
I would say the above is almost the definition of bottling job.
What this shows is that he is perfectly capable of putting his team in a position to compete, punching above their weight even, but once they get there he will not be able to take them over the line. Happened at Liverpool, happened at Leicester, there is no reason to believe it won’t happen here.
He is another Moyes type of appointment. Chelsea or City would not even have him on the shortlist to replace Tuchel or Pep.
Moyes was about right (although he shouldn’t have been appointed) and LVG was fine (2 years, style wasn’t right but got the team a trophy). It’s only been Mou (should have sacked him the summer he downed tools) and now Ole (because of club legend status) who have taken too long.Every single manager we have had post-SAF has been given far longer than they ever should have. Don’t hold your breath for any proactive early dismissals where needed.
Given Ole is, no exaggeration, the worst hands on coach I can think of in the PL I don’t think there’s much debate Rodgers is vastly superior. Ole is hands off and unqualified, it’s a bad look for the club, there’s really no defending someone who doesn’t take training unless they’ve won everything prior and then move upstairs.He's not proved he's 'far' better at all.
1st season: Dennis Praet, Youri Tielemans, James Justin, Ayoze Perez, Ryan Bennett (loan)Can we have a list of players he's signed at Leicester.
'Vastly superior' but yet 2 points below us after 11 games that could barely have gone worse for us. Better maybe, far better there is plenty of debate.Given Ole is, no exaggeration, the worst hands on coach I can think of in the PL I don’t think there’s much debate Rodgers is vastly superior. Ole is hands off and unqualified, it’s a bad look for the club, there’s really no defending someone who doesn’t take training unless they’ve won everything prior and then move upstairs.
Yeah will be so glad when that third point you mentioned isn't a factor anymore because it clouds judgement far too muchI’ve come around to the idea of Rodgers being a good move for Man Utd…
Better than Ole - definite check
Capable of winning trophies - check
NO STUPID EMOTIONAL CONNECTION WITH THE SAPPY FANS - Huge check
Would get treated like a normal manager and sacked if underperforming - check
This is what Utd needs imo. Anything to get rid of the Solskjaer and the bizarre toxicity that the club has created for itself.
Could Utd do better? Yes. But at the moment the club is a joke, Rodgers could serve as a bridge out of the current situation for them.
LVG should have been sacked after the horrendous run of games we had in December’15, which would have given us a better shot at top 4. But they gave him the season in order to save money.Moyes was about right (although he shouldn’t have been appointed) and LVG was fine (2 years, style wasn’t right but got the team a trophy). It’s only been Mou (should have sacked him the summer he downed tools) and now Ole (because of club legend status) who have taken too long.
But you can bet he is as he won't kick up a fuss. He isn't really a driven winner like a Conte. Bet that is a major reason why the Board would look at him favorably. Think he would be an awful choice. Another one just to help us get top 4 and continue this cycle of us going nowhere.The way his teams fall apart towards the end of the season.
His Liverpool connection.
His awful European record.
3 massive reasons he shouldn't be amongst our top targets
Brilliant post, nothing to add.Jesus.
If Leicester fans were sinners in a past life and their penance in this was to be saddled with Solskjaer as manager, there’s no doubt in my mind they’d be relegation candidates. Imagine being the proud owners of the defensive statistics we have this season - where we are practically bottom in every important metric, not to mention the obscenity that is our ‘running’ record - but replicate them with a Leicester squad who possess far less talent than we do… the results would not be pretty.
We are in a clinically depressing situation whereby our current manager and coaching setup is so out of their collective depths that it’s hard to believe but the players they preside over are so talented that they continually mask the managerial and coaching deficiencies. Give Solskjaer an inferior squad (as we have seen before with Cardiff) and he will massively struggle; give Rodgers an inferior squad (as we have seen before with Swansea, Liverpool and Leicester) and he can produce brilliant results playing brilliant football.
Solskjaer and Rodgers are polar opposites when it comes to understanding and implementing footballing styles and tactics. The fact this needs to be even argued among our fanbase is a very worrying development after having front-row seats to the footballing shitshow (from a playing style and tactical point of view) that’s been the last three years.
No Moyes should’ve been way quicker. Look at Spurs and Nuno. If we did that with Moyes and got in an elite manager at that point I honestly don’t think the next 8 years would’ve panned out like it did.Moyes was about right (although he shouldn’t have been appointed) and LVG was fine (2 years, style wasn’t right but got the team a trophy). It’s only been Mou (should have sacked him the summer he downed tools) and now Ole (because of club legend status) who have taken too long.
It’s a mixed bag, I’d say.1st season: Dennis Praet, Youri Tielemans, James Justin, Ayoze Perez, Ryan Bennett (loan)
2nd: Timothy Castagne, Wesley Fofana, Cengiz Under (loan)
3rd: Patson Daka, Boubakary Soumare, Ryan Bertrand, Jannik Vestergaard, Ademola Lookman (loan)
Sancho cost more than all their summer signings combined. And not everyone can just go and get a Ronaldo for his wages that steals undeserved points for you. There needs to be some perspective when trying to prop up Ole.'Vastly superior' but yet 2 points below us after 11 games that could barely have gone worse for us. Better maybe, far better there is plenty of debate.
I don't particularly rate Rodgers but he's done more than enough over his career to show he's a far better manager than Ole.'Vastly superior' but yet 2 points below us after 11 games that could barely have gone worse for us. Better maybe, far better there is plenty of debate.
Ask any Leicester fan if they’d rather keep Rodgers or get Ole instead.'Vastly superior' but yet 2 points below us after 11 games that could barely have gone worse for us. Better maybe, far better there is plenty of debate.
I guess the goal when they hired him was to get them into CL if the opportunity is there, and opportunity was there two years in a row with other competitors struggling - both times he got them into position where they looked likely to be up there and eventually failed towards the end. Exact same thing happened at Liverpool.It's kind of hard to sustain "punching above your weight". Instead of giving him credit for overachieving for most of the season, he gets shit on for "bottling it". Unless you actually believe Leicester are a top 4 side?
And he's reportedly on City's shortlist to replace Pep.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/a...ach-Newcastles-owners-holds-Man-City-job.html
Like I say better maybe, but I've seen comments on here alone from Leicester fans who don't seem to think he's all that.Ask any Leicester fan if they’d rather keep Rodgers or get Ole instead.
Also, how much did Rodger’s squad cost and how much did Ole’s squad cost? Put Ole as a Leicester manager right now and he’d have their squad fighting relegation.
Someone should ask Ole that. So he can bring up how we want Scholes and Butt type of players.
It's a bit underrated how well he did with Celtic, too. It's not easy to be an invincible manager in ANY league.I think he has shown enough in his management career to suggest he could do a really good job with the right resources behind him (can we genuinely say he has managed under these conditions previously). United can give him this and then he has to perform.
There are few certainties in football and the other options can also fail. No matter who we get it will require a leap of faith.
People say he is not of the level of Pep and Klopp but he could be at the level to bag 85 points and in any given season that could be enough to win a league. Also Pep won't be around forever.
"I want my midfielders to be able to do everything"Someone should ask Ole that. So he can bring up how we want Scholes and Butt type of players.
Why hasn’t Solskjaer been asked questions like this - particularly as he has made endless bizarre tactical decisions?
It’s one of the great mysteries that I’d certainly like to know. If its true that his press conference questions are pre vetted then obviously someone above him doesn’t have that much confidence in him coming across well, whether it’s because he doesn’t speak well or plain and simple he doesn’t know what he’s doing…so in that case why is he still here? Is Ferguson’s power really that great potentially? (if it’s true he’s advising to keep Solskjaer in)Why hasn’t Solskjaer been asked questions like this - particularly as he has made endless bizarre tactical decisions?
Why aren’t the media - that gain clicks from Utd - quizzing Solskjaer properly and thus gaining more money and clicks?
Why is he being babied? Who is ensuring this?
Well said, I dread the thought of him stood on the touchline in games then talking about United as his team in press conferences. Ugh.An unpalatable number of posters are being way too reasonable for my liking.
Rodgers is possibly not quite as despicable as I believe he is. John Terry is probably not a massive pillock (every day). People like them just add colour to my life. Some people are in the "I Like Them, Just Because" box and others are in the "I Can't Stand Them, Get Out" box.
Because I am so stupidly obstinate, no-one can ever be moved from one box to the other. So, if Rodgers comes I would have to double-think the fek out of reality. I beg you, universe. Don't let him come.
Love it when people moan about mediocrity at the club and then big up Rodgers just because he is better than OleAn unpalatable number of posters are being way too reasonable for my liking.
Rodgers is possibly not quite as despicable as I believe he is. John Terry is probably not a massive pillock (every day). People like them just add colour to my life. Some people are in the "I Like Them, Just Because" box and others are in the "I Can't Stand Them, Get Out" box.
Because I am so stupidly obstinate, no-one can ever be moved from one box to the other. So, if Rodgers comes I would have to double-think the fek out of reality. I beg you, universe. Don't let him come.
I would be surprised if he got top 4 , no way he takes us to a title.Wether your in the camp of thinking Rodgers would be a good fit for us or the camp that you hate his guts we all won’t care if he takes us to a title.
If he does come in let’s hope he can be successful because at the end of the day it’s all about the club and not about any individual
Yeah, but Brendan's gonna take us to the title, dontchaknowLove it when people moan about mediocrity at the club and then big up Rodgers just because he is better than Ole
Yh fair. I think it was ok but was very evident early he wasn’t up to it.No Moyes should’ve been way quicker. Look at Spurs and Nuno. If we did that with Moyes and got in an elite manager at that point I honestly don’t think the next 8 years would’ve panned out like it did.
I think 2 years with LVG is vindicated by the trophy win. Agree re top four but it was clear Mou was lined up and so we probably also deferred to his timing - whilst Mou was a terrible choice we were actually planning ahead then.LVG should have been sacked after the horrendous run of games we had in December’15, which would have given us a better shot at top 4. But they gave him the season in order to save money.
I mean, if you’re comparing them like for like then you’re really looking through red tinted glasses. Rodgers still has +1 trophy anyway. I don’t even rate Rodgers that highly, I just think Ole is completely unqualified.'Vastly superior' but yet 2 points below us after 11 games that could barely have gone worse for us. Better maybe, far better there is plenty of debate.
Because Ole just replies with something like you can talk about your tactics and formations but its about desire and winning 50/50s. The United Way.Why hasn’t Solskjaer been asked questions like this - particularly as he has made endless bizarre tactical decisions?
Why aren’t the media - that gain clicks from Utd - quizzing Solskjaer properly and thus gaining more money and clicks?
Why is he being babied? Who is ensuring this?
