If we tank the CL do we get the first pick in the next draft?
Would you throw away the Bayern match?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
This is a thread which is on repeat for years now.
"Play kids in EL"
"Ditch LC"
"Ditch FA cup"
You would think that we are winning trophy after trophy every year so we can choose what to win.
As if we have a choice
Spend all season trying to get into the CL. Decide to throw away games because it's difficult.
Nah.
Nah.
exactly, almost as bad has those that want to lose to get the manager sacked
I would feel much more hopeful IF Bayern had beaten Copenhagen and left them with us on 4 pts. Mind you after our shambles they don't owe us anything. Just would have meant we could have afforded Copenhagen to beat Galatasaray
Pathetic, I was laughed at on here a few months ago for saying I’d have rathered not qualified for the CL (because at the absolute best we’d have made the 1/4s) than get thumped by them 7-0
Reason being that 7-0 will haunt us for years. Finishing 3rd is already forgotten about,
And now the same types are out saying this, I’d rather finish 10th and win the Europa than get top 4 and I’d rather it even if it didn’t get CL football, I’ll never understand people who think coming 4th to qualify for a tournament that we’d just be making up the numbers in is better than winning a trophy. Again, winning a trophy will always be remembered, top 4 will quickly be forgotten,
Europa league is our level and we deserve this after spending years praising the likes of Rashford, Shaw, Bruno etc etc who clearly aren’t good enough and never will be
to be honest it’s the likes of people who suggest things like throwing a game who are the ones who’ve never kicked a ball on a actual pitch in their lives, try win, try finish 3rd and get into the Europa and then try win that, simple as
Reason being that 7-0 will haunt us for years. Finishing 3rd is already forgotten about,
And now the same types are out saying this, I’d rather finish 10th and win the Europa than get top 4 and I’d rather it even if it didn’t get CL football, I’ll never understand people who think coming 4th to qualify for a tournament that we’d just be making up the numbers in is better than winning a trophy. Again, winning a trophy will always be remembered, top 4 will quickly be forgotten,
Europa league is our level and we deserve this after spending years praising the likes of Rashford, Shaw, Bruno etc etc who clearly aren’t good enough and never will be
to be honest it’s the likes of people who suggest things like throwing a game who are the ones who’ve never kicked a ball on a actual pitch in their lives, try win, try finish 3rd and get into the Europa and then try win that, simple as
Well, much as I hate the Europa, more games might actually be a good thing as we look to implement ETHs style/system
What would that be, 6 out of 10 seasons in the Europa league? We'll probably get humiliated by Liverpool at some point. It'll be another cup for us to get knocked out of.
But let's face it, if we have no European football we'll miss it come Thursday night. We'd be longing for anything, even the conference cup
But let's face it, if we have no European football we'll miss it come Thursday night. We'd be longing for anything, even the conference cup
Given we still have the chance to qualify we're duty bound to try.
I'd rather not the have the EL though, not for some snobby reason but purely because I think Ten Hag needs the extra training time to get his style actually imbedded. I like him a lot but I fear he may not last the summer if the football structure changes as expected. He has to get us firing, 1 game a week will help
I suspect we will win against a weakened bayern but we won't get the other result we need
I'd rather not the have the EL though, not for some snobby reason but purely because I think Ten Hag needs the extra training time to get his style actually imbedded. I like him a lot but I fear he may not last the summer if the football structure changes as expected. He has to get us firing, 1 game a week will help
I suspect we will win against a weakened bayern but we won't get the other result we need
I don't follow this logic. The thicker the schedule, the less time on training ground working on pattern of play, improving individual technical detail. The focus would be shifted toward recovery, and prepare game plan to contain and exploit opposition since we abandon the foundation of proactive football from last season.
More often than not, style of play improvement often happened after pre season, where managers and players can focus on putting ideas into practice without the burden of result.
We saw in last season how ETH pushed, it's unlikely he would only use EL as training ground and rotate. Doing the same this season potentially would run this squad into the ground with already injury crisis, fitness issue so far all season.
Training ground is one thing but there's no substitute for actual matches.
United still has a chance to stay in the CL. I get that some people don't like the EL, but as long as a win means ypu could stay in the CL, you should try.
It's truly baffling for me that someone could have a different opinion. So I would politely ask everyone who actively advocates for not trying to stay in the CL to actively advocate for not making it into the CL again. I rather like to see the competition fallen with some dross from somewhere Eastern Europe who try to win their games than with these.
It's truly baffling for me that someone could have a different opinion. So I would politely ask everyone who actively advocates for not trying to stay in the CL to actively advocate for not making it into the CL again. I rather like to see the competition fallen with some dross from somewhere Eastern Europe who try to win their games than with these.
You don't bring 76k people to OT, Bayern in town to play a bunch of kids and chuck the game. Especially if there is a small chance of going through.
If we go into Europa, we can talk kids, until then it's the managers duty to go for it.
If we go into Europa, we can talk kids, until then it's the managers duty to go for it.
Nope. Beat Bayern (who are no great shakes at all) and hope the other game ends up in a draw. Worst case scenario, we end up in the Europa League but have a win against a big side that will give us confidence. Especially as our following game is at Anfield.
League game is both the better practical application than these cup games for experiment given that you play different kind of opposition every week, where as with each KO round you play the same team twice and the same team in hope you progress to next round. As explained in my previous post, there is not even time to work on training ground during thick fixture where recovery and preparing for next opposition take up all the time, instead paying more time on improving your own pattern.
Edit: Currently prematch against Newcastle, there is discussion about our travel issue for Newcastle game due to flight cancellation due to weather reason... And we're playing CL. Can't see where Thursday-Sunday chore would be any better available training for us.
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Be insane to set out to win the game.
for what? Another europa league distraction and inevitable semi final failure
No one can seriously be talking about using the europa league to give game time or test out young players and new formations, right?
We’ve all seen how every manager from mourinho to ten hag took the competition no differently to the CL. No squad rotation, ruining our end of season run ins.
for what? Another europa league distraction and inevitable semi final failure
No one can seriously be talking about using the europa league to give game time or test out young players and new formations, right?
We’ve all seen how every manager from mourinho to ten hag took the competition no differently to the CL. No squad rotation, ruining our end of season run ins.
united are so shit that if they tried to throw the match they’d end up winning it.
For what? For being a football club and doing what you're supposed to do. You're Manchester United. You play to win. Be it the champions league, the league cup or a friendly against a youth team from East Timor. You play to win. And if you don't, you don't play.
To stay in the CL. Lots of people claim that a "never say die" attitude should be part of the United DNA. You and other's treat the situation as if United is already out of the CL. That's ridiculous. People like you shouldn't be allowed to call themselves fans of Manchester United.
Talk of throwing the match is disgraceful.
Yeah, you'd think that's what they are paid to do. Or something. Baffling.
Always try to win even if you’re shit at it. Never understood this mentality of ‘throwing matches’. It’s a pathetic mindset.
So we throw the game so we can focus on getting top four in the league so we can qualify for the CL league, the competition in which you want us to throw the game?
100%. Onana and others are likely to bottle it anyways.
Never say die and united DNA .. are we playing pointless platitude bingo again
People really underestimating the probability of a drawn in the other game.. also we can beat Bayern.
No. I never want us to lose any game, let alone throw one. We can beat Bayern, and we should
You're overestimating the probability of us beating Bayern, even if Bayern is not in top gear.
We should not throw the game, but it's not very assuring about us making the most ourselves.
Why no we have to win every game, clear.
If Galataranafalasaray mess up, we should have tried to win otherwise we feel dumb as feck.
If Galataranafalasaray mess up, we should have tried to win otherwise we feel dumb as feck.
Perhaps Onana will bottle it again, but the desire by some posters here to have us throw a match is unbelievable. This not the Manchester United way, to throw a match out of fear of having to compete in another competition should another result go our way. Utterly disgraceful mentality.
No, its very unpredictable, we might smash them 7 - 0 and Copenhagen might tie with Galatasaray.
No way.
The high point of last season wasn't the league cup win over mostly average teams, or the home wins against the top 6, it was the two-leg win over a strong Barca team. The first dominant performance against a strong, big-name European team since (depending on what "strong" means) 2021 Milan or 2010 Milan or 2009 Inter.
Would kill to have another like it.
The high point of last season wasn't the league cup win over mostly average teams, or the home wins against the top 6, it was the two-leg win over a strong Barca team. The first dominant performance against a strong, big-name European team since (depending on what "strong" means) 2021 Milan or 2010 Milan or 2009 Inter.
Would kill to have another like it.
Oh I agree, given we still have a chance to progress to the round of 16. It’s just our form and luck in Europe has been terrible.
If you'd really have the mentality to throw a game....why not throw the EL then in case you don't make the CL group stage instead of the CL to avoid playing the EL?
With ten Hag in charge, we're practically throwing the game anyway.
We need to play in the Europa League. Only way to try and get into the Champions league. So, yes.
Of course it is. Besides, we won’t need to throw the game, Bayern will batter us fair and square.
They're gonna tear us apart