Kiko Macheda

[Frosty]

I think this decision could have been made in the Summer to be honest. Probably a loan with a view to a move.

 

[MacMUFC]

Interesting that SAF thinks Macheda and Diouf need to be loaned out now. Which is exactly what every fan said in the summer.

Sorry, but Fergie has left me fecking baffled at times in the last few months.

 

[Drainy]

I'm sure that there was talk of them going out on loan in the summer, particularly Macheda to either Blackburn or Newcastle. Its not as easy as saying a player needs to go out on loan and then they do, needs to be at the right club where they will get games and they play decent football. Last thing Macheda needs is another Sampdoria-style loan.

 

[pocco]

Interesting that SAF thinks Macheda and Diouf need to be loaned out now. Which is exactly what every fan said in the summer.

Sorry, but Fergie has left me fecking baffled at times in the last few months.

I think Macheda had a deal lined up but we decided against it because the club refused to guarantee him chances in their team.

 

[Randall Flagg]

Interesting that SAF thinks Macheda and Diouf need to be loaned out now. Which is exactly what every fan said in the summer.

Sorry, but Fergie has left me fecking baffled at times in the last few months.

how do you know that wasnt the case in the summer? Perhaps the suitable clubs did not come in for them?

Or in Diouf's case. Noone at all

 

[MacMUFC]

I think Macheda had a deal lined up but we decided against it because the club refused to guarantee him chances in their team.

how do you know that wasnt the case in the summer? Perhaps the suitable clubs did not come in for them?

Or in Diouf's case. Noone at all

I dont just say things for the sake of it...

"I am not unhappy with that situation - I am not going to complain about it. Some clubs would love to have seven strikers," said the 69-year-old.

"There is a difficulty of course, in terms of managing the situation in the sense of the number of games they can get. But I've got those players - so get on with it.

"We'll compensate by making sure they train well and I expect them all to be here at the end of the transfer window.

"You might get an injury down the road you never know. At the moment I've no intention of changing."

 

[pocco]

I don't get what your point is. When are them quotes from? Fergie has said that a club fecked about with the Macheda deal around summer deadline day. So how can you make out he's a step behind the fans because he didn't try to loan him in the summer?

 

[MacMUFC]

My point is that deciding to have 7 strikers at the start of the season is fecking mental - if not unfair on the players not playing regularly. If what you say is correct, then we should have been pushing harder to loan them out, because its clear during the time of those quotes (around the middle of the August) its sounds like we weren't interested in loans at all.

I'm certain that if we really want them loaned out in January, you can bet we'll get it done.

 

[GCHQ]

I think Macheda had a deal lined up but we decided against it because the club refused to guarantee him chances in their team.

The club in question refused to guarantee that he'd start for them in the league whenever he was fit. Which is fair enough really, especially for a Premier League team. The fact we wanted that clause inserted in the loan agreement strongly suggests that we weren't really interested in loaning him out.

 

[ArmchairCritic]

My point is that deciding to have 7 strikers at the start of the season is fecking mental - if not unfair on the players not playing regularly. If what you say is correct, then we should have been pushing harder to loan them out, because its clear during the time of those quotes (around the middle of the August) its sounds like we weren't interested in loans at all.

I'm certain that if we really want them loaned out in January, you can bet we'll get it done.

With Owen, Berbatov and Chicharito out injured it's not looking that mental right now to be honest.

 

[GCHQ]

With Owen, Berbatov and Chicharito out injured it's not looking that mental right now to be honest.

With Welbeck and Owen's injury record I thought at the time that it made some sense to keep either Diouf or Macheda. But to keep both of them was pretty odd.

 

[ArmchairCritic]

With Welbeck and Owen's injury record I thought at the time that it made some sense to keep either Diouf or Macheda. But to keep both of them was pretty odd.

I'm certain Macheda was on his way to Newcastle only for the deal to break down at the last minute.

 

[GCHQ]

I'm certain Macheda was on his way to Newcastle only for the deal to break down at the last minute.

The Newcastle deal fell through a few days before deadline day. The last minute deal that broke down was with another PL club.

 

[ArmchairCritic]

The Newcastle deal fell through a few days before deadline day. The last minute deal that broke down was with another PL club.

Ah well there's a few clubs in the Premier League that in my opinion that could do with a centre-forward so hopefully he'll get a loan in January.

 

[Amir]

Fergie also said last summer he won't be loaning Cleverley out. And did... I think his comments about being happy to have seven strikers was just a gentle way of telling the players there's no loan deals for them. Better than: 'Listen lads, no one came in for you seriously, so you're staying'.

 

[KGBhoy]

Looks like he's going on loan. Here's a quote from his agent:

"I spoke last week with (sir Alex) Ferguson: I think that Federico will play somewhere else in January," Bia told Sportal.

Macheda set for New Year loan | Football News | Sky Sports

I am starting to think he won't make it at United.

 

[BAMSOLA]

Still only 20.

 

[mariachi-19]

Still only 20.

Still hardly seems to have improved since 2009. When ever he plays for us he looks so limited. He needs to massively improve his overall game if he wants to make it as a United player.

 

[Shimo]

Hasn't improved due to injury and playing at reserve level primarily. Like Welbeck and Cleverley, once he goes on loan some place proper where he gets a run of games against stronger competition, we'll hopefully know if he can improve (which I think he will).

 

[Nathan]

Whats the point here. Macheda when he came on in the last few games, looked disinterested. If there was a deal it certainly never materialised, what he needs to do is buckle down and improve his all round displays.

 

[LLMU]

Hopefully, something will turn out good for this lad. Even if he can't make it at Utd, i wish he would go on and prove himself in another club.

 

[gooDevil]

We should send him to the Championship or something like that, where he's certain to get a whole lot of games, which is the most important element.

 

[Maciej]

2011 is a wasted year for Macheda.

He made his last start for Sampdoria in February and his two starts for United were in League Cup, first on the wing and second against Palace.

He's 20 and a good loan move really helps (see Welbeck).

 

[Decotron]

2011 is a wasted year for Macheda.
He made his last start for Sampdoria in February and his two starts for United were in League Cup, first on the wing and second against Palace.

He's 20 and a good loan move really helps (see Welbeck).

Stupid thing to say, considering you know absolutely feck all about what impact its had on him professionally. A loan move isnt just about football. He's openly said his eyes were opened after such an experience, if that makes him grasp his chance with United and appreciate the opportunity he has here thats hardly a waste now is it?

 

[Randall Flagg]

I don’t see a future for Macheda at Utd.

But then again I thought the same about Welbeck

I think Wigan would be a good loan move for him

 

[Maciej]

Stupid thing to say, considering you know absolutely feck all about what impact its had on him professionally. A loan move isnt just about football. He's openly said his eyes were opened after such an experience, if that makes him grasp his chance with United and appreciate the opportunity he has here thats hardly a waste now is it?

I meant it was a waste on the pitch.

Of course I'm happy he realised United is the best team for him and now he's probably even more determined to make it here.

 

[Ray Peterson]

Looks like he's going on loan. Here's a quote from his agent:

"I spoke last week with (sir Alex) Ferguson: I think that Federico will play somewhere else in January," Bia told Sportal.

Macheda set for New Year loan | Football News | Sky Sports

I am starting to think he won't make it at United.

It's what he needs. If he's going to develop then he needs regular football. If he has a succesful spell and improves like Welbeck did at Sunderland, we'll take him back and he'll get his chance.

 

[Decotron]

I meant it was a waste on the pitch.

Of course I'm happy he realised United is the best team for him and now he's probably even more determined to make it here.

Ah ok, It annoys me as many focus purely on the football side of things when at his age, so many other factors can have a greater impact.

 

[marjen]

I don’t see a future for Macheda at Utd.

But then again I thought the same about Welbeck

I think Wigan would be a good loan move for him

I don't - he's a box striker reliant on service. Won't get that in Wigan.

I always said Welbeck will make it here - I've always been sceptical of Macheda. I don't think he's got enough about him to make it.

No aggression, not physical enough, sloppy touch, no real pace. The only thing going for him is a decent knack of scoring goals, which he hasn't showcased enough at the highest level IMO.

SAF sees him everyday in training of course, so this is just my observation from what I've seen from him at senior level. Not good enough.

 

[Cold_Boy]

He is still an unfinished product.

I feel he will make a veyr very good career even if not at United.

 

[Cutch]

We really cant judge him until he gets a regular run of games somewhere. His appearances for us all seem to be spread a number of weeks apart from eachother, mainly from the bench, and often out of position on the wing or as a lone striker. He hasnt had a proper chance to prove himself yet so a loan would do wonders for him.

 

[prateik]

He'll be a very good striker. Hopefully at united

 

[Sojiro]

excellent news about the loan. Hopefully this time its somewhere he can make an impact and get some confidence. What a shit show Sampdoria was during his last loan.

 

[Rowem]

No aggression, not physical enough

Eh, he's shown great aggression at times, and has really changed games on occasion when coming on as a sub by pure aggression and physicality as much as anything.

This is the role I see for him in the future, being a strong and powerful centre forward. However he is still young and developing now, but in a few years he could be a real handful for defenders. I would guess this type of forward normally flourish a bit later compared to the slight, tricky strikers.

 

[Pexbo]

I don't think it's a loan at all. I think it's a permanent move he is looking at.

If you actually read the article, while the article is about "a loan move" the quotes sound much more permanent than that.

"I spoke last week with (sir Alex) Ferguson: I think that Federico will play somewhere else in January," Bia told Sportal.

"He can no longer continue to be on the field for only 15 or 20 minutes, he must absolutely find more space.

"There are requests, but not from Italy. In the first week of January we will evaluate the proposals that we've received.

"Macheda's departure, however, has nothing to do with the elimination from the Champions League of the United "

Why would he be going on Loan because "we're not in the Champions League".

I think he is gone.

 

[Robbie Boy]

I don’t see a future for Macheda at Utd.

But then again I thought the same about Welbeck

I think Wigan would be a good loan move for him

I personally think that Wigan would be the wrong choice for a loan move. He is the kind of player that feeds off of chances, and well, Wigan create feck all in that particular department.

I reckon a club that he would get a game at and that create chances, Norwich or Swansea maybe.

 

[Rowem]

I don't think it's a loan at all. I think it's a permanent move he is looking at.

If you actually read the article, while the article is about "a loan move" the quotes sound much more permanent than that.



Why would he be going on Loan because "we're not in the Champions League".

I think he is gone.

Sigh.

Why must people who reside on the internet read far too much into innocuous comments. It was probably a response to an inane question.

But, in true internet style, lets play along. Why would he not be going on a loan because his agent says his departure is not because of the CL exit? Please don't answer this question, I only typed it in the faint hope that, when spelt out in front of you, you'd realise how absurd it really is. If you actually attempted to answer I think my head would explode. So don't. Just don't.

Edit: You might have just misread the original quote, which says it's nothing to do with it. But I assumed you were...oh feck it, I can't be arsed either way. I just hope we sell him for at least 25 million lira and a life time supply of pizza. Arrivederci young Kiko, may you enjoy your new life in Italy.

 

[Anderson8]

I'm not 100% convinced it's a loan either..the headlines point to it, as well as our expectations, but the quotes seem a little sus.

"I spoke to Ferguson last week, and Macheda will play somewhere else in January"

Pretty strange that his agent wouldn't even mention the fact it was a loan, if it was.

 

[Mockney]

I'm beginning to think he wont make it. Shame really. It all went downhill when I created this thread. https://www.redcafe.net/f6/mockneys-marvelous-macheda-magnafalorium-marvel-stuff-260737/

 

[Pexbo]

I'm not 100% convinced it's a loan either..the headlines point to it, as well as our expectations, but the quotes seem a little sus.

"I spoke to Ferguson last week, and Macheda will play somewhere else in January"

Pretty strange that his agent wouldn't even mention the fact it was a loan, if it was.

Exactly. The quotes seem to be pointing more towards an exit. A "departure" is a strange choice of words for a loan move.