We sold Ronaldo and we didn't immediately replace him, did we? There is no guarantee we'd let Rooney go and replace him someone of similar quality. The players who are good enough to replace him would cost a lot more than we'd be willing to pay.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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I'd hate to see him at Chelsea. He'd improve them substantially, and with a good manager at the helm we'd get to watch a player who could have been a legend here win trophies with potentially the biggest group of cnuts ever assembled.
Awesome.
Awesome.
Right, just to clarify my alleged hysteria a little, there are two elements to my perhaps a little overly emotive response. One is the sale of Rooney the player to Chelsea, which I think would be a disaster in the short term.
The other, rather more importantly, is the sale of one of our best players to an oligarch, and the precedent that that sets.
The other, rather more importantly, is the sale of one of our best players to an oligarch, and the precedent that that sets.
We had this player last season who scored 35 goals when played up top and has shown time and again he can score a lot of goals when played as a goal scorer.
See, this is hysterical. Who is everyone? What is absolutely fine? People just aren't responding to rumours as if they were nailed on, and aren't reacting under worst case scenarios. Stop exaggerating everything.
Instead of the useless wanker he's had here?
Rooney would be brilliant at Chelsea. Of that I have no doubt.
It's all the other bollocks the pair of you have been on about which is the issue.
We'd all hate that (I trust).
We didn't sell Ronaldo to our league rivals did we, it's entirely different. Then we would spend more. What do you honestly think is more likely. We sell Rooney to Chelsea and don't replace him with a top striker, or we sell Rooney to Chelsea and do nothing to replace that loss.
It's inconsistent. I don't think he'll guarantee you 30-40 goals a season like some strikers (RVP if he stays fit for instance)
Yeah it's weird, we have lost Cantona, Keane and Ronaldo and people said the same thing, yet we kept on winning titles, and who is to say if Rooney went we wouldn't bring in another top player? it wouldn't be the end of the world.
In the two season where he's consistently played up top he's scored 30+ goals so I am not sure what you're on about
Yes, that's what I said and meant. Of course I couldn't have meant that Chelsea will have a good manager next season rather than the twat they have now.
It's fine though, you rush to be annoyed and point out the audacity of something I never said.
He's played up top for more than 2 seasons.
Trust me, I'm not annoyed.
I was merely highlighting that Rooney has played under a manager, with no peers, and yet he is still not the player, that some people think he would be at Chelsea.
Sorry, there was a bit of deliberate misinterpretation though.
He's played up top consistently for us twice and in both seasons he got us 30+ goals with ease. Play him up top for United next season and you know he'd get us atleast 25.
Yes we would do something to replace the loss but like I said, replacing Rooney would be very costly and since when do we spend loads on players? The sort of world class players who can replace him are ones that we won't be able to afford. The likes of Lewandoski, Falcao, Bale and Cavani are all either going elsewhere or just not players we can get into bidding wars for.
And with us probably in a little phase of transition now that Fergie is gone, I really don't think upsetting stability and selling someone as crucial as Rooney to a direct rival makes sense. We should instead look to strengthen what we have.
If we sold him and didn't sign a direct replacement I wouldn't be bothered. We signed his replacement last year. His name is Shinji...
Also, Hernandez has come on leaps and bounds this season. I'd rather the money went on other areas.
Also, Hernandez has come on leaps and bounds this season. I'd rather the money went on other areas.
We might already have the players to replace Rooney. I find it funny how people always run off lists of the biggest names when talking about replacements. It's almost never these players we bring in, yet still people persisit with this idea.
No he hasn't. He's only consistently played up top in 09/10 and last season.
Yeah, that could very well happen. But some people don't agree it will, based on their assessment of Rooney. They might or might not be wrong, but don't take it so personally.
In my opinion Rooney will probably leave, and he won't be going to a continental club either - I don't think he's that type of person. And the only English club that are in the market for a striker and can afford to pay him what he wants is Chelsea. We're never going to sell to City and Arsenal won't pay what he expects at this stage.
Personally, I think Rooney is as good as you say, but because we have ready-made replacements for what he brings (Kagawa and RVP), we would be able to adjust.
The really strange thing is that you and Chabon seem to think Rooney's departure will have more of an effect than SAF's retirement.
Isn't that the point? How often do we lose players of Rooney's quality to direct rivals? It doesn't happen, which is why you shouldn't be thinking it would be the same approach we take each year. If it did happen, big if, then we would definitely look to replace that lost quality. We wouldn't keep the squad as is because we would be one light in the striker department, regardless of Shinji playing behind, we would still get someone in for injuries sake at the very least, but also because Wayne is a huge player. There is no question. If it means we have to spend big, we would spend big. I don't know why you think we would handle it any other way.
Why won't we be able to afford them? This number going round, £40 million, if that were the case, we would tack however much is needed onto that already large sum and be able to afford the talents we would be after. We obviously aren't going to be replacing someone of Rooney's quality for £20-30 million anyway.
I don't think it makes sense on any level, and no-one here wants Rooney to go to Chelsea, something you've managed to delude yourself into thinking. What people aren't doing is going overboard about it, because chances are it's not going to happen anyway.
He was a striker between 06-07 and 11-12. Two very good goal scoring seasons, four ranging from ok - good. Surely most people agree he isn't a consistent out and out goal scorer? Isn't that why we bought one in RVP? It's not his best position.
We're the champions of England, there's no way we're selling a player like Rooney to a title rival. It's also silly to compare it to Arsenal selling RVP to us, when they are a club just barely making the top four now.
He wasn't an out and striker during every one of those seasons. 06/07 was largely Saha playing up top and then Larsson and Rooney when Saha got injured. 07/08 was generally him and Tevez sharing duty and even Ronaldo at times. 08/09, we had Berbatov and Tevez and failing those two we stuck Ronaldo up front. 10/11 it was Hernandez who played up top.
I agree it's not his best position but he can definitely play that role very well
Rooney would never have scored 30+ this season. RvP is the player Rooney should have been, the complete forward.
Rooney scored more in 09/10 and 11/12 than RvP this season.
Funnily enough RVP hasn't scored 30 either and Rooney did last season. So you're talking crap I'm afraid
He played up top during that time period far more than any if those players you mention. He is very good in that position, agreed. But he isn't exceptional like potentially Falcao, Cavani or Lewandowski.
At Chelsea they already have the creativity down with Oscar, Mata, Hazard, Ramires (which is Rooneys strength). All they need is someone who shoves it in the net, there are several better players than Rooney in that department. Hell I think letting Hernandez go to Chelsea would be more detrimental because he could be a 35 goal a season striker in their team for a decade.
Yep and Rooney was just as good as RvP in 09/10 if not better. Truly brilliant that season. Even though 11/12 was good he was still very inconsistent in that season and RvP this year comfortably beats Wayne in that one.
Well done, Wayne. You managed to score more goals in a team you've been playing in with almost ten years than somebody who has just joined the club and is still getting used to how his teammates play.
Seriously, nonsense argument.
RvP offers so much more than just goals. In 2012 if Rooney wasn't scoring his all round game was on a level below RvP's, apart from the first part of the season where he was sensational.
Well neither did RvP. Rooney managed 16 despite almost never playing up top. You really don't think he'd have gotten around 10-15 more if he'd been playing as an out and out striker all season?!
RELEASE !! THE KRAKEN.....
Sorry, Will Keane.
Sorry, Will Keane.
Well, apart from the fact that five years can be rounded up to "almost ten" in your world (Rooney joined in 2004 and scored 34 in 2009/10), there's also the thing that it wasn't me who brought up the frankly stupid RvP comparison.
Van Persie, the fashionable bright new toy, has become another stick to beat Rooney with, even though Rooney achieved far more in football than Van Persie so far. The idea that Van Persie is what Rooney "should have been" is absolute nonsense.
He hasn't. 09/10 was the first time he played as a proper center forward through the season and scored 34 goals. All the seasons before that he was never a true center forward in the way Falcao, Cavani or Lewandowski are. And Rooney actually scored more than both Lewa and Falcao last season.
Rooney given the service will bang in the goals, there's no doubt about that
Nope. Most of Rooney's goals came from our wingers who were awful this year. Just don't think he'd have received the service as a lot of RvP's goals came from his individual brilliance. Rooney of 2010 was more a 'poacher'. At Chelsea if played as an out and out striker I agree he'd score 30+ goals for them though, but I don't necessarily think he'll regain that deadly 2010 form and therefore be as good as the other top strikers in the world.
Yeah, this is what concerns me about this a bit. Rooney is clearly an absolutely world class striker. If he goes elsewhere and stars whilst Van Persie stays here and declines that will be frustrating. Not to say that either will definitely happen mind but it's possible. If he goes to Chelsea he could play as a striker ahead of Mata, Hazard et al and absolutely feck shit up.
We would be crazy to sell him to Chelsea for anything other than a completely absurd fee, basically. There's a large chance if goes there he'll set the league alight again.
We would be crazy to sell him to Chelsea for anything other than a completely absurd fee, basically. There's a large chance if goes there he'll set the league alight again.
I'm confused, did these past 5 pages of mass hysteria really start because some Chelsea fan who wums a lot around the forum said his "sources" told him we'd be selling to Chelsea for 40m, really? 
I won't be believing anything until it happens. IF it happens though, it may not end well.
That's exaggerating to a fairly large degree tbh
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