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12months ago, everyone was jizzing themselves over buying Lucas for £30M+, without ever even seeing him play!
Just putting that out there..
Not true, a lot of people were very skeptical of the fee at the time.
 

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Well you could almost buy Lucas, Hazard and Goetze for the Bale fee its fecking ridiculous.
 

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there's been at least a 30% rise in terms of fees paid at the top end of the market.
At least - and probably more. Looking at the wold record over pretty much any period you like historically, it consistently doubles every 6 years.

Surprisingly, it's actually stagnated a little over the last few years (maybe reated to global recession?). The first £100m transfer is well overdue, and the fact that we are now seeing multiple £50m+ signings isn't the least bit surprising.
 

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What a load of rubbish, we have a chance of attaining every person we go after, I don't buy into the fact it's for publicity. If you don't believe that then you just are looking for scapegoats unfortunately, I would rather aim high for the best and perhaps a lot of the time (recently anyway) miss out on them. I don't think the better way is to reach for shit and proclaim its better to have a pile of poo that you ACTUALLY HAVE, rather than reach for a top notch player.... I appreciate Paulinho isn't a pile of poo but if GS can be extremist.
 

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Ok pedant. A significant number of people, (including those outside the caf) were jizzing themselves over an unproven Moura.
They weren't though, look back at the thread. A lot of people were quite bemused at what he was going to cost us.
 

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Ok pedant. A significant number of people, (including those outside the caf) were jizzing themselves over an unproven Moura.

Unfortunately that's the YouTube and Football Manager generation that we live in now. You can get 5 minute highlights of anyone and make them look amazing, if that player comes with a reputation as well it's even better. Then people will profess in the pub they stay up to watc the Brazilian league and how quality all these players are, instead of just admitting they have seen hardly any of the player. I've no doubt some do it but I agree people get way to carried away with players they hardly ever seen.

Spurs and Levy in particular will get a great deal for Bale here, his stock won't ever be higher I imagine (can't see him being as good as last season again) I'd imagine they''re going for the 100million barrier and will get either that or the 85mil will have to come with a very good player. For how good Bale is I think he is replaceable to an extent. It's obviously a blow to lose great players but they have got a good squad and improved it already, the money they'll get for Bale is ridiculous.
 

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Well you could almost buy Lucas, Hazard and Goetze for the Bale fee its fecking ridiculous.
What's more, a lot of people would rank Bale in 3rd amongst that lot. At least in the past Perez has gone for players who were pretty much the best of the best, but with Bale, he's completely bucked the trend for no good reason whatsoever.
 

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Don't think there's any denying that Bale is a quality player who's still young and likely to get better. But £85m is not the value I'd have thought, Spurs will be daft to turn that down.
 

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I for one hope Real sign Bale because in a year or two's time when Bale is homesick, we'll get him at more of a realistic price.
 

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I don't think Bale has exhibited anything near enough to be looked upon as even a 60m player. He would need to have a repeat of the season he has just had to even make that bar, for me and then you have to minus the CL from the equation when comparing him to the true elite whose bracket he is being forced into with such an evaluation.

Technically, he hasn't shown anything in the Zidane, Figo, C.Ronaldo etc bracket that makes him a bona fide player at that level apart from some of his shooting and some of his crosses, which are nowhere near the level Figo's were at when he was valued at what he was. In each instance, i don't think those fees could be baulked at, all three of the players mentioned were either the best or very close to it to the point of redundancy and subjectivity. I wouldn't have Bale in that bracket off the back of his CV to date and there are a number of players I'd take before him who have moved for a lot less than he will.

I'm not saying he can't better or become an upper-echelon player, but unlike some from the past or even some truly great potential stars active now, I would have my doubts about him.

You've also got to factor in pressure to deliver in a side that suddenly doesn't look at him all wide-eyed and hopeful, but is demanding and expectant that he can outdo his past season at Spurs for them in key games at key times. It's another world for Bale entirely, and nothing like the shuffle from left to right all the aforementioned players took when they went there.

At the very top end, Bale's about a £50m player, and even that's a stretch but can be acceptable because of who his chairman is and hype train behind him, but just catapulting him into the umbrella of true all-time greats for practically no reason at all is a farce, one that only the likes of Perez is capable of.






Going to be interesting to see how he plays in a team which isn't counter-attacking but in a side which will be trying to break down defences week in week out. First 4 vids are the last time he shared a pitch with Ronaldo, very interesting as a comparison... very different players, Ronaldo isn't as direct a dribbler as he used to be with us, but he has so much in his locker in terms of movement, trickery and ability to shoot off either foot (vital quality in tight games).

Bale just doesn't look anywhere near the same level technically but his passing is arguably better as is his strength in terms of being able to maintain his balance once he's gone past a man, he eats up ground. He's more of a old school dribbler and despite that, beats his man 1 v 1 far often than Ronaldo, but Ronaldo is dangerous with alot of players around him as he can still trick his way into getting shots off. In terms of shots, he's been working on his weaker foot.. doubt he'll ever be as ambidextrous as Ronaldo, but he has a more consistent quality with his shooting (on his stronger foot) than Ronaldo, who takes alot of shots and mishits plenty. The fact remains however that Bale is so unproven at the very highest level, he's never even featured in a title winning side, he's not even featured in a CL semi final and he's going to have the world's most expensive player tag... it is laughable and I feel sorry for him because a good talent might be killed here by over-expectation before he's even had a fair chance to go over to a top side and make his mark in his own time.

I'd like him to be a success but it is hard to see how he's going to be £85 m of success unless of course playing in a big side just really suits his style down to the ground and with teams also having to focus on Ronaldo, it allows him the breathing space to tear teams apart himself. He's a better player than the likes of Cavani imo, but if you ask me they're all over-priced to ridiculous degrees... none of them are better than Zidane even taking into account the inflation of the modern market. He's a £40m player who in a few years might be worthy of a £60m price tag but what happened to having to earn a price tag and being proven. You don't gamble with £85m... and this is a gamble.
 

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great player, one I'd love to have on our team, but 85 million....that's just insane, even for the already insane high transfers we see in the football world
 

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Going to be interesting to see how he plays in a team which isn't counter-attacking but in a side which will be trying to break down defences week in week out. First 4 vids are the last time he shared a pitch with Ronaldo, very interesting as a comparison... very different players, Ronaldo isn't as direct a dribbler as he used to be with us, but he has so much in his locker in terms of movement, trickery and ability to shoot off either foot (vital quality in tight games).

Bale just doesn't look anywhere near the same level technically but his passing is arguably better as is his strength in terms of being able to maintain his balance once he's gone past a man, he eats up ground. He's more of a old school dribbler and despite that, beats his man 1 v 1 far often than Ronaldo, but Ronaldo is dangerous with alot of players around him as he can still trick his way into getting shots off. In terms of shots, he's been working on his weaker foot.. doubt he'll ever be as ambidextrous as Ronaldo, but he has a more consistent quality with his shooting (on his stronger foot) than Ronaldo, who takes alot of shots and mishits plenty. The fact remains however that Bale is so unproven at the very highest level, he's never even featured in a title winning side, he's not even featured in a CL semi final and he's going to have the world's most expensive player tag... it is laughable and I feel sorry for him because a good talent might be killed here by over-expectation before he's even had a fair chance to go over to a top side and make his mark in his own time.

I'd like him to be a success but it is hard to see how he's going to be £85 m of success unless of course playing in a big side just really suits his style down to the ground and with teams also having to focus on Ronaldo, it allows him the breathing space to tear teams apart himself. He's a better player than the likes of Cavani imo, but if you ask me they're all over-priced to ridiculous degrees... none of them are better than Zidane even taking into account the inflation of the modern market. He's a £40m player who in a few years might be worthy of a £60m price tag but what happened to having to earn a price tag and being proven. You don't gamble with £85m... and this is a gamble.
I quite like Bale and have been impressed by his progress, but not once have I looked at him yet and thought potential great or WPOTY contender whereas with others who are still not great by any stretch of the imagination, I can look at them and think if they take this or that talent they have to its potential, they will be right up there amongst the world's best.

Bale is still a work in progress, quite a way from being the finished article, and that's where a huge chunk of the gamble comes with him. He's had two pretty good seasons, with his last being the kind that should alert all the big sides that we might have a player on our hands here IF he keeps developing, but it seems like the old rule of wait a little longer and see if the performance level is maintained or even bettered has long since gone and that's where the disconnect comes in for me. If Bale went out there and had yet another season where he was banging them in with such regularity you could say that's his bar, then by all means, ramp up the hype and put him on a pedestal that demands top dollar, but off the back of such a relatively small amount of stand out performances it's just crazy to anoint him a world record fee breaker - he is nowhere near the level C.Ronaldo was when he got sold for what he did, for example. Nowhere near it.

I wouldn't say Bale is better shooter than Ronaldo yet because he hasn't been under the same scrutiny or pressure to deliver as the Portuguese. Ronaldo has a lot less time to open up and get his shots away than Bale has had to date and now that Bale is being touted as a superstar, he's going to have less margin for error and time to get his shots in, so it will be interesting to see if he can then maintain the frequency of quality finishes from distance with a much smaller window to execute.

If Bale goes to Spain, the tightness of the passing chains and the expectation of keeping them going whilst the opposition press in that uniform manner may well be a shock to his system, but I wouldn't say he'll fail in that aspect, but it will be interesting to watch.

I agree that this has the hallmarks of being just a big a balls up as a success and 50:50 at 85m is just madness.
 

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12months ago, everyone was jizzing themselves over buying Lucas for £30M+, without ever even seeing him play!
Just putting that out there..
Not true, a lot of people were very skeptical of the fee at the time.
Ok pedant. A significant number of people, (including those outside the caf) were jizzing themselves over an unproven Moura.
They weren't though, look back at the thread. A lot of people were quite bemused at what he was going to cost us.
The most important one was. SAF put the bid in.
:lol: :lol:
 

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Zidane is an official employee, part of the coaching staff.
Yep, exactly. So his repeated comments about various players are obviously a different thing to Scholes one-off, unofficial, ambushed-by-a-journalist-at-his-son's-school answer.
 

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Don't think there's any denying that Bale is a quality player who's still young and likely to get better. But £85m is not the value I'd have thought, Spurs will be daft to turn that down.

Yeah but value flies out the window when you have the sort of money Real Madrid have. It seems to be no object to them, and so they just go and flash the most amount of cash so that the selling club simply cannot refuse. In any circumstance like this, an inflated valuation occurs
 

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How do you see me mention your name before someone ONLINE can reply to the post I quoted them in? They get a fukin alert for feck sake. As far as I am concerned, you are now redcafe.
Damien will always hold that mantle.
 

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Point was Moura valued at £30M by us 12months ago, puts Real's bid for Bale, into a less-than-mental perspective, but I couldn't(be bothered to) produce documentary evidence.
Ah ok. I think plenty of people did question that price, probably the same people who are now questioning Bale for £80mil (which, it has to be said, is a whole different category of crazy.)

Maybe not moaning in this case, I might have mistaken your point. Agreeing with Glaston that because Spurs've signed someone and we haven't we should be worried does qualify as moaning for me.
 

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Ah ok. I think plenty of people did question that price, probably the same people who are now questioning Bale for £80mil (which, it has to be said, is a whole different category of crazy.)

Maybe not moaning in this case, I might have mistaken your point. Agreeing with Glaston that because Spurs've signed someone and we haven't we should be worried does qualify as moaning for me.
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I agree the price is ridiciulous but for those criticizing the price tag, hypothetically, if we had the same financial capabilities of Madrid would anybody here complain about the fee as long as Bale were in a United shirt?
 
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