News flash. Pietersen did fall and the team carried on chasing down the score. At least post something with relevance FFS
Ashes I - 2013 - In England
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
I'll leave you to dig out our run rate after KP went. Seeing as you enjoy making yourself look a fool so much.
They should have forced the result through even if it isn't fair on Aus fielders, there is a precedence for it as well.
At the end of the day Cook deserves more credit, he's not the captain who hasn't won in the last 9 tests. England were in 2nd gear for large swathes of this series and as a result we've had a belting series off the back of it.
Clarke obviously didn't think they could win with certainty but wanted to chance it a 3 1 is more respectable score line. And they could try playing for the draw. Losing was always a possibility but he chose to go for the tiny chance.
Fair play to him for that. People in this thread thinking he actually declared to win. It's like Alistair Cook made himself several redcafe accounts.
If you're referring to Karachi then that really can't be taken as an example to base future decisions on.
Warne's incessant tweeting about the difference in attitude to me highlights how far they've fallen as cricketing nation, touch of the 'we won the moral cup though' about it.
The umpire milking the boos there was hilarious.
Who is Andrew Cook?
Fair play to Clarke for winning the moral cup if that was what he was thinking.
Well done Andrew Cook and the lads. Plodding bastards.
Wow 4 Ashes win in the last 8 years, never thought I'd see that in the early 00's. I love these plodding bastards.
Pietersen went with sixty to get with ten overs left.
Are people here complete idiots or what? Where was the risk in continuing the chase? England could've tried to smash everything. They weren't going to lose seven wickets in sixty balls.
Fair fecks to Clarke, nailed it all there.
A lot of these redcafe posters sitting in the crowd there. Booing Clarke. He should've kept batting, settled for 3 0. Disgraceful.
Hopefully we can get some better pitches down under, not a fan of the ones we saw this series. Fair do's to Australia, they fought hard. England will know they can play better. I look forward to part two in a few months.
40 overs in 3 hours (incl. 12 overs of spin). Definitely the over rate of a team going for the win.
Pretty sure he's being sarcastic.
Nice celebrations. Looks like flower is off from that interview.
I hope this is the last we see of starc for awhile.
I hope this is the last we see of starc for awhile.
It's just rank hypocrisy from the Aussies, they can't give credit where it's due. Continually having pops at Cook, then whining when Clarke gets boo'd! (Admittedly I think he deserved far more respect than that but what do you expect from partisan fans who have drinking all day).
Posted @ 5 o'clock so I don't think so.
Oh fair enough, he was talking about the decision not to open with Pietersen.
Nothing wrong with England's order, all of Root, Cook, Trott, Pietersen, Bell play ODIs and 4 of them are opening batsman in either that format of the game or this, no point dicking around with the order.
Warne wasn't being sarcastic. To be fair to him, TMS were also making the same sort of hints by saying Pietersen should have come out instead of Trott.
Still Warne has come across as a right dick in this series. He is pretty much the spokesman of the Australian cricket team rather than a pundit.
Still Warne has come across as a right dick in this series. He is pretty much the spokesman of the Australian cricket team rather than a pundit.
People will always want a dig at England. It's called jealousy.
He's got such a fantastic wealth of knowledge but he's still blinded by his allegiances.
Tell me about it, I guess it means we're doing something right.
Has made it more amusing as he's been forced to eat a diet of humble pie.
He really does, it's disappointing because I love hearing his opinion on cricket because he's so knowledgeable, but whenever he commentates in the Ashes he descends to 'Australia are always right, England always wrong'.
Of course he is. You guys have been polluted by the shitty English media. Have a look at Michael Vaughn. He's more wummy than Warne, has captained a winning side and knows feck all. Knows he knows feck all and still talks shit.Anyway I went to bed at 0-shit when the Aussies were batting and to be honest they did well to take 11 wickets in the day. In another alternate universe where things were going their way they might have won that game. Much like the one that was washed out.
England deserved winners but I have to say it was far from convincing at times. Got out of jail a bit with an Aus brain explosion in the second test and a few jammy conditions bailing them out. But as they all say. That's cricket. Part and parcel of this beautiful game.
Work to do for the Aussies but I feel they have a pretty good chance of winning it back in Australia. All this hooting of 5-0 and more domination in Aus was a bit silly in hindsight. Cook has shown himself to be a pretty safe and back foot kind of captain when it's going his way and it suits him he's safe and dots i's and crosses t's which is important. It will be interesting in Australia where the conditions will be different and not suited to the dynamic of this team. I think he has the goods to work on his game and the team and come back and swing true down under but I am not convinced that England will have the depth of ability with the ball in Aus. I can guarantee you the first three pitches will be absolute roads and thousands of runs will be scored.
Can we play it next week?...
.edit: Actually can we just do a best of 37 series every year?
15 weeks off throughout the year for rest and holidays? fecking come on? It would be awesome!Btw, where is that gumby who was saying test cricket was dead.. : lol :
They'll be harder bouncy wickets, Swann will be mostly out of the game and Tremlett and Finn will probably take more wickets than Anderson.
Ironically, I think those pitches suit our batsman better than the pitches we prepared this summer. Cook and Root will score heavy and big I would imagine.
Ironically, I think those pitches suit our batsman better than the pitches we prepared this summer. Cook and Root will score heavy and big I would imagine.
I can't see Cook scoring runs unless we bowl slappable garbage outside off and full on his pads. You bowl narrow to him and he's got nothing just came forward in that whole series playing off the front foot and got out a lot of the time. (Granted he got a couple of starts) It was just weird to see him play that way. Whether it was conservatism or he genuinely struggles short of a length in the corridor, not sure.
But you're right, the roads will suit all the batsman. Which for me will be a lot better for both teams. A couple of batting paradises to get the series going. If we can sort out that third seamer and use the spinner for pressure and wicket taking then we'll be looking a lot better. Just saw a compilation of all of Swanns wickets for the series. At least 50% of them were from nude balls with players playing for the turn. feckin international cricketers getting out like that is just mind boggling, utterly fecking criminal.
I feel the work is there on paper ready for the Aussies to do. There are more 'targets to hit' that are staring them in the face. I feel England already has a bit of tightness and some quality to their game and the work they do will not be as obvious as they would want it to be. Which may not help. (Obvious speculation of course). If there ever was a way to draw some mongrel out of the Aussie bowlers over the next three months it would be triggering this series and looking toward the series to come. The bowling unit operate on a completely different dynamic now to that of 10 years ago. If you're still fit regardless of how you're bowling you are going to get a start, which to me.. Just is.. Better left with things unsaid since it's out of my control.
But you're right, the roads will suit all the batsman. Which for me will be a lot better for both teams. A couple of batting paradises to get the series going. If we can sort out that third seamer and use the spinner for pressure and wicket taking then we'll be looking a lot better. Just saw a compilation of all of Swanns wickets for the series. At least 50% of them were from nude balls with players playing for the turn. feckin international cricketers getting out like that is just mind boggling, utterly fecking criminal.
I feel the work is there on paper ready for the Aussies to do. There are more 'targets to hit' that are staring them in the face. I feel England already has a bit of tightness and some quality to their game and the work they do will not be as obvious as they would want it to be. Which may not help. (Obvious speculation of course). If there ever was a way to draw some mongrel out of the Aussie bowlers over the next three months it would be triggering this series and looking toward the series to come. The bowling unit operate on a completely different dynamic now to that of 10 years ago. If you're still fit regardless of how you're bowling you are going to get a start, which to me.. Just is.. Better left with things unsaid since it's out of my control.
England are a pragmatic side, incredibily tough to beat and so I couldn't see them losing this test even if the 4th day hadn't been washed out. It's going to take more than just aggressive cricket which seems to be the go to policy for Clarke/Warne to beat them.
What could win the series for Australia is the pace attack which clearly has troubled England.
What could win the series for Australia is the pace attack which clearly has troubled England.
I think you seriously underestimate how good a cricketer Cook is, his form has been poor this series, but thats why its so surprising. There's a reason he has so many test tons, and I'd have thought you'd have seen a lot of it last time he toured Australia.
I can understand why Aussies underrate Cook, he's now played Aus in 4 series and underperformed in 3 of them. The time he did get runs was when he had to face the likes of Hilfenhaus and Johnson.
Yeah I did - that 200 we bowled some of the rankest garbage at him.
That's probably why I think that way. I probably do underrate him but he had a pretty poor series, we obviously had a plan of bowling short of a length and get him driving where he did not look strong at all..Not really anyone had a good series bar Bell. Plenty from both sides were 'dangerous' or 'look due for runs' (KP, Root, Trott). I feel Smith this time around is a much tighter cricketer who could do well in Aus. If Watto can go back to the nets and just work on his game he'll be better.
There is definitely something to work with going back to Aus. In the culture you'd think these spastics on good coin would go back and get something out of the next series. Otherwise... feck the lot of them. 30k contracts big win bonuses and suck it the feck up. Stealing a living
.It's still missing something. Rhythm, strike power, cohesion?, something. It's dangerous but I always felt England could fight back against this attack. It was never a game of 'you guys will be rolled here, guarantee it..' Did it feel that way to you guys? Genuine question.
I never felt we would dismiss England cheap as feck if we had to or even cheap enough that we had to. I think that is the biggest difference between the two sides that probably registers the smallest. Aus collapsed three times but England I don't think ever really looked vulnerable enough to be skittled. Bar maybe that wash out test and even then it was going to take some serious gusto to rattle on from 4-shit and if it was played out and from when it rained I still felt 'they are still going to have to bowl well here'. It's not a question of either team being completely over the top of the other one? It's a weird way to word it. It's been a long time since I've seen Aus have to fight tooth and nail and then STILL come up short most of the time. I feel both teams when they have been doing well the other has fought enough to stop them from being on top.
It's a hard thing to explain. It's not a matter of rolling the dice and rolling a higher number for each side. It's like an arm wrestle. One way then the other then back again. It's great test cricket. Would like easier to bat/good bowling meter turned up a bit. I feel in this state for both teams if the pitches were easier to bat on then the balance would be completely out and we'd see a draw as neither side has had the bowling attack to do well on flat without assistance. It's where the Swann/Anderson skills come into a whole new game. Ability to get wickets with spin in unfavorable conditions also Anderson's unmatched ability to swing it both ways with the new ball (which for me with his ability is not really a controlled factor determined by the conditions. I think imo he can swing it on a crystal clear windless day and be dangerous.) Which Aus has no answer for with the ball or when they are batting.
Hard to articulate. But good cricket to watch either way.
I like you ghaliboy. You get unnecessarily animated.