Moyes So Far!

[nimic]

And join the manager merry go round.... Fergie would have been gone by xmas if you had been making those decisions....

What a silly thing to say. Either way, at the end of the day it won't really matter if we support him if he finishes outside of Champions League football. We all realize it's a given that he would be sacked or resign, right? I find it hard to imagine the scenario where our new manager takes a clear title winning squad into our worst league finish for 23 years and still keep his job. And to call that "manager merry go round" is a joke.

I support Moyes, and I think he'll do an okay job here, but at the end of the day sticking with the wrong guy is at least as dangerous as jumping on the manager merry go round.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

With the investment/improvement in the squads of Spurs and Arsenal a fifth place finish for a United manager - in his debut season - who was unable to address the gaps he identified in his squad is far from inconceivable. It's certainly not a sackable offence, assuming there are positive signs of progress. A trophy of some sort would definitely be enough to compensate. Absurd to suggest a 5th place finish would mean Moyes would or should be immediately sacked. Which is a good thing too.

 

[lem8sh]

We won the league by 11 points last year, if we come 5th I believe he would be sacked.

 

[alastair]

With the investment/improvement in the squads of Spurs and Arsenal a fifth place finish for a United manager - in his debut season - who was unable to address the gaps he identified in his squad is far from inconceivable. It's certainly not a sackable offence, assuming there are positive signs of progress. A trophy of some sort would definitely be enough to compensate. Absurd to suggest a 5th place finish would mean Moyes would or should be immediately sacked. Which is a good thing too.

If you finish 5th, I don't quite understand how any signs of progress could have been observed.

You're deluding yourself if you believe anything outside top 4 would be remotely acceptable under any circumstances. It'd be a hell of a drop-off from winning the league by ten points last season.

 

[thegregster]

With the investment/improvement in the squads of Spurs and Arsenal a fifth place finish for a United manager - in his debut season - who was unable to address the gaps he identified in his squad is far from inconceivable. It's certainly not a sackable offence, assuming there are positive signs of progress. A trophy of some sort would definitely be enough to compensate. Absurd to suggest a 5th place finish would mean Moyes would or should be immediately sacked. Which is a good thing too.

I think if it look likely in March that it would happen the Glazers would act purely to try to secure CL football. I doubt it their financial plans could take the hit of losing all the CL revenue.

That said I am pretty sure Spurs/Arsenal will finish behind us.

 

[Livvie]

What a silly thing to say. Either way, at the end of the day it won't really matter if we support him if he finishes outside of Champions League football. We all realize it's a given that he would be sacked or resign, right? I find it hard to imagine the scenario where our new manager takes a clear title winning squad into our worst league finish for 23 years and still keep his job. And to call that "manager merry go round" is a joke.

I support Moyes, and I think he'll do an okay job here, but at the end of the day sticking with the wrong guy is at least as dangerous as jumping on the manager merry go round.

It's not quite as black and white as that, despite belief to the contrary.

We won the league by a country mile, but does anyone really believe we were that much better than everyone else? Fact is, we were best of a bad bunch. This year the bad bunch has improved their squads. It isn't fair to saddle Moyes with the label of ruining a title winning squad, which is what you're basically suggesting. Unless he's totally to blame for the transfer window farce.

 

[MikeUpNorth]

If we finish outside the Champions League spots, I think you have to sack him really. Plus we'd almost certainly lose Rooney (if we aren't going to anyway), and quite possibly Van Persie.

 

[RORY65]

I think if it look likely in March that it would happen the Glazers would act purely to try to secure CL football. I doubt it their financial plans could take the hit of losing all the CL revenue.

That said I am pretty sure Spurs/Arsenal will finish behind us.

I think you're right. I happen to agree with Pogue, I would happily give him plenty of time as long as there's a clear plan going forward even if it isn't immediately successful but the problem is whether the owners will. Their only interest is to make as much money as possible out of United and that requires Champions League qualification, I suspect they'd panic if we were a few points adrift come March time. Hopefully it won't come to that, I don't believe it will because we have a very good squad and David Moyes has shown himself to be a very capable manager.

 

[Will Absolute]

Really? It would be criminal to finish outside of the top 4 with this squad. Sure, we didn't really strengthen a lot and our rivals all did, but who is to blame for that? And even then, this is the squad that finished 11 points above the runners up, 17 points above 5th and with the best goal difference.

I think finishing outside of the top 4 would be a guaranteed sacking.

I agree.

Barcelona have had 4 managers in the last 6 years, and continued to win. Real Madrid are constantly dumping their manager, and remain competitive.

A manager who inherits a squad that won the league by 10 points, is offered a blank cheque to improve that squad, and then fails to finish in the top 4, shouldn't expect to keep his job.

 

[Theon]

It won't happen so its a moot point in my opinion. The squad is still the best in the league, or at worst second best, and Moyes is no mug despite what a few on here seem to think. If we came 5th it would be an absolute shock and complete disaster.

I'm a huge supporter of Moyes but if he doesn't get Champions League football there could be little complaint if he lost his job. Can't see it happening at all though, 1st or 2nd is still the best bet IMO.

 

[Raoul]

If we finish outside the Champions League spots, I think you have to sack him really. Plus we'd almost certainly lose Rooney (if we aren't going to anyway), and quite possibly Van Persie.

Going from winning the league by ten to not making the CL would probably put him under a lot of pressure, although he would probably still stay because he's Fergie guy.

 

[ItsEssexRob]

Whilst people go on about the defeats to Liverpool and City, I actually feel that United most worrying performance was the 2-0 win at home to Palace.

I watched the whole game and United looked so laborious and slow I could not see how they were going to score until the penalty was given, and then I figured it would be a thrashing given Palace were down to 10 men, but instead it took until the end of the game and a wonder FK from Rooney to get the killer goal. It didnt look like the typical mark of champions grinding out a tough result, it looked like a team struggling to adapt to the changes of the new manager and staff. Remember this is a wholesale change, and I never felt SAF and his staff were given enough credit on here, as there were some who seemed to think that simply because the team walked the league with SAF it would all be exactly the same and they would still be just as good without him.

If you do things our way, whereby you sack managers every season near enough then you need a lot of money behind you, United don't have that, they need to stick by Moyes even if they finish 4th or 5th this season or it could possibly end up going the way of Liverpool.

 

[rio's upper lip]

We won the league by 11 points last year, if we come 5th I believe he would be sacked.

Lord have mercy, think of the severance package.

 

[MikeUpNorth]

Lord have mercy, think of the severance package.

Just because the contract is for 6 years, doesn't mean there won't be a pre-agreed severance payment of a year's salary or something. In fact, I'm almost certain there will be, the Glaziers aren't stupid.

 

[Stack]

What a silly thing to say. Either way, at the end of the day it won't really matter if we support him if he finishes outside of Champions League football. We all realize it's a given that he would be sacked or resign, right? I find it hard to imagine the scenario where our new manager takes a clear title winning squad into our worst league finish for 23 years and still keep his job. And to call that "manager merry go round" is a joke.

I support Moyes, and I think he'll do an okay job here, but at the end of the day sticking with the wrong guy is at least as dangerous as jumping on the manager merry go round.

Not half as silly as the bollocks you were spouting.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

Ultimately it's the players who have let Moyes down in the big games. We can nitpick at his team selection and tactics, but to go out and play so passionless and stale as they have against Liverpool and City was poor from the players.

Should he have played three in the middle at the weekend? Yeah, but hindsight is a wonderful thing. He'll have learned from that, and has to fast.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

And for what it's worth, he'd be off if we finished fifth. Which won't happen anyway, so pretty pointless to argue.

 

[Moriarty]

we don't want to turn into a Chelsea or City with managerial appointments. Think Moyes has the character and intelligence to figure things out. I did not agree with his tactics yesterday. But my biggest disappointment was players not 'believing' in themselves. This is one of those key moments where they need to ask themselves if they are worthy of playing for Manchester United. Moyes will not just accept what happened and he wont allow the players to just accept this either. We have a golden opportunity against the dippers.

No chance of that happening. We haven't got the cash for a start as Essex Bob pointed out; and he should know.

 

[SteveJ]

Blimey...Chelsea get through staff so quickly that Rob has been replaced by Essex Bob.

 

[Grinner]

Which managers do you think could win the league or at least qualify for the CL with this squad?

 

[KiD MoYeS]

Which managers do you think could win the league or at least qualify for the CL with this squad?

Wenger.

 

[SteveJ]

Which managers do you think could win the league or at least qualify for the CL with this squad?

Arsene
Jose
Penguingrini
Old Mr Grace from Are You Being Served?

 

[Grinner]

It's young Mr. Grace, isn't it?

 

[Sarni]

How is this exactly looked at as a long term project if he starts off by changing nothing?

I'd give him a benefit of doubt if be came and reshuffled half the team and finished 5th, perhaps he'd have his own ideas that needed the time to work out. As things stand he added one player that he already knew and that isn't going to change much in terms of what this team plays like, and he's persisting with the same players Fergie left him. The ones that walked the league last season.

He doesn't have to win the league but to finish outside of top 4 would be a disaster.

 

[SteveJ]

It's young Mr. Grace, isn't it?

Lacks European experience, chief.

 

[Sarni]

Which managers do you think could win the league or at least qualify for the CL with this squad?

Qualify for CL with current United squad? Pretty much any manager that isn't absolutely clueless.

 

[pocco]

How is this exactly looked at as a long term project if he starts off by changing nothing?

I'd give him a benefit of doubt if be came and reshuffled half the team and finished 5th, perhaps he'd have his own ideas that needed the time to work out. As things stand he added one player that he already knew and that isn't going to change much in terms of what this team plays like, and he's persisting with the same players Fergie left him. The ones that walked the league last season.

He doesn't have to win the league but to finish outside of top 4 would be a disaster.

Probably wants to assess our current squad first.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

How is this exactly looked at as a long term project if he starts off by changing nothing?

He inherited the champions, it'd be ridiculous for him to immediately start chop changing the squad.

 

[Raoul]

In defense of Moyes, all of our nearest competitors strengthened significantly over the summer and he was handed a shit schedule to start the season. We simply were never going to win the league by 10 this year, even if Fergie was still in charge. That said, there can be no excuses for our poor summer transfer dealings (despite keeping Rooney and Nani), and the having the likes of Zaha, Kagawa, and Nani staggeringly invisible all year.

 

[The Neviller]

In defense of Moyes, all of our nearest competitors strengthened significantly over the summer and he was handed a shit schedule to start the season. We simply were never going to win the league by 10 this year, even if Fergie was still in charge. That said, there can be no excuses for our poor summer transfer dealings (despite keeping Rooney and Nani), and the having the likes of Zaha, Kagawa, and Nani staggeringly invisible all year.

Bit early for that, is it not?

 

[pocco]

In defense of Moyes, all of our nearest competitors strengthened significantly over the summer and he was handed a shit schedule to start the season. We simply were never going to win the league by 10 this year, even if Fergie was still in charge. That said, there can be no excuses for our poor summer transfer dealings (despite keeping Rooney and Nani), and the having the likes of Zaha, Kagawa, and Nani staggeringly invisible all year.

Our transfer dealings probably can't be blamed on Moyes, it's not his job. It's also premature to say that Zaha, Kagawa and Nani have been invisible 'all year' considering we're only a few games in. That and the fact that all three have looked either rusty or off the pace when given chances, leaving it hard to start them against the big teams.

 

[Raoul]

Our transfer dealings probably can't be blamed on Moyes, it's not his job. It's also premature to say that Zaha, Kagawa and Nani have been invisible 'all year' considering we're only a few games in. That and the fact that all three have looked either rusty or off the pace when given chances, leaving it hard to start them against the big teams.

Let's hope getting 1 point out of 9 against Liverpool, Chelsea, and City will light a fire under him and make him realize whatever he is trying isn't working. We desperately need to run the table between now and Arsenal to give the squad some belief and momentum.

 

[pocco]

Let's hope getting 1 point out of 9 against Liverpool, Chelsea, and City will light a fire under him and make him realize whatever he is trying isn't working. We desperately need to run the table between now and Arsenal to give the squad some belief and momentum.

Hopefully it will. Reading his quotes on how he felt he needed to give everyone a chance sort of left me with the impression that he's started to confirm for himself which players aren't up to task.

 

[pocco]

What happened to the Moyes thread that all hell broke loose in when he was appointed?

 

[The Neviller]

What happened to the Moyes thread that all hell broke loose in when he was appointed?

I assume you're looking for my posts, and I'll save you the bother. I said he was underwhelming, a shite appointment and that I thought he'd dish up tumescent, boring football.

Point score away, my opinion was held and voiced before Ferguson retiring was a possibility. I've since said I'm happy to see him given time and hope he proves me wrong. I haven't criticised him since.

 

[pocco]

I assume you're looking for my posts, and I'll save you the bother. I said he was underwhelming, a shite appointment and that I thought he'd dish up tumescent, boring football.

Point score away, my opinion was held and voiced before Ferguson retiring was a possibility. I've since said I'm happy to see him given time and hope he proves me wrong. I haven't criticised him since.

Funnily enough, your first post came after I bumped the thread in November 2012 saying that I thought he would replace Fergie. Your response was 'I'd rather have Fergies statue in charge than Moyes'

 

[Abbsta]

As a fan I can safely say that I know how most of us are feeling. We are used to winning often with style and the occasional drama. I also know that it's the style of play.. I hear you!

This a new territory for Moyes and it will take time and the six year contract is a clear indication of that. I am not as knowledgeable of his management style as some of you are but I think Sir Alex knew what kind of manager and a man he is and what the club needs. Just remember his final speech. I'm guessing that he is not the quick fixer type and even though he inherited the champions, he still needs time to adjust, learn and grow.

This period is not just a test for Moyes and the players but for US; the fans. I am slightly embarrassed to say this with only few games in but we must stay true to our name... We are UNITED

 

[The Neviller]

Funnily enough, your first post came after I bumped the thread in November 2012 saying that I thought he would replace Fergie. Your response was 'I'd rather have Fergies statue in charge than Moyes'

 

[Grinner]

I understand why Moyes has been appointed and that he will be given time, but in this day and age can a club like United afford a possible two seasons or so of mediocrity (by their own high standards) as he builds hs own squad? Considering how competetive this league is it's not beyond the realm of possibility for you to miss out on top 4. The ramifications of that would be huge. Back in the 1980's when SAF was cutting his teeth he could afford to finish lower in the league and then win a cup to show progress. These days the two domestic cups don't have the same value as back then. It's league and/or CL or top four or bust.

 

[#07]

Telegraph: Manchester City highlight long-term problems for Manchester United manager David Moyes