The Title Race 2013/14

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What makes you so sure? They've shown before that they're not really comfortable being the pace-setters. Had we not inexplicably blown it late in 2011/12, City would still be title-less after all the hundreds of millions they've spent.
But look, as ItsEssexBob points out, you're now looking at the odds of Arsenal AND City throwing it all away.

If it was just one team they were many points below then there would be hope that that team had a big wobble. But there are multiple teams to chase.
 

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we would finish on a maximum of 81 points, which won't be enough at all.
The projections many here have outlined for the next three games have the team at the top of the table accumulating 39/40/41 points. That's after 19 games, too. No reason why 80 points won't be enough to win the title this year. Archie alluded to it yesterday and I agree with him; the title won't be won by more than five points this season. Teams will drop points left, right and centre. We just have to ensure to limit our defeats, and turn the draws (like at home to Southampton and away to Cardiff) into wins.

Keep the faith. There's nothing scaring me from the other teams yet.
 

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Stranger things have happened. It's very unlikely though (25/1 sounds about right).

City look the most likely.
 

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2002/03 was the unlikeliest title win I've ever witnessed a United side triumph in. After that year (and what happened in the final ten games of the 2011/12 season), I refuse to rule anything out.
 

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What are we now? 8 points behind the team we think will win it? Forget about needing to get to a certain number of points and our league position, and focus on the distance between us and the teams above us. A good run now up to the spurs game and we will be right up there position wise and even if City get the 9 points in their next three games to match us (if we do it) then things will look rosier.
 

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This is why its hard. If Liverpool win today United are still 7 points behind 4th, and that team being City. The way the league works when mutiple teams have a big distance makes it a lot harder to make up ground like that. Essentially 4 teams having a 7,8,8 and 10 point lead is akin to one team having a much longer lead.
 

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But the other teams have much harder Christmas periods than us. What part of that are people failing to realise?

I expect us to be about six points off the top of the table come January 1st. That is far from insurmountable.
 

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I keep waiting for Liverpool to feck up and they don't. They're annoying me. I don't expect Spurs to compete for 4th and I'm hoping Everton somehow start to fall away, too. Liverpool...
 

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I keep waiting for Liverpool to feck up and they don't. They're annoying me. I don't expect Spurs to compete for 4th and I'm hoping Everton somehow start to fall away, too. Liverpool...

There's 45 minutes left here, mate. I wouldn't be counting on Liverpool just yet.
 

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This is why its hard. If Liverpool win today United are still 7 points behind 4th, and that team being City. The way the league works when mutiple teams have a big distance makes it a lot harder to make up ground like that. Essentially 4 teams having a 7,8,8 and 10 point lead is akin to one team having a much longer lead.

Not really. Those four teams must take points off each other so if we say between them they will play each other once and maybe another 2-3 games between now and the second set of fixtures then even if they are all draws that's 15 points gone ahead of us and most likely a mixture of wins and draws amounting to 30 odd points from each other dropped giving us room to catch up. If that 30 points is shared between the 4 teams then it's 7 odd points each dropped.

United providing we win our games are still in this.
 

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It's the simple adage of one game at a time.

Today was a real almost unexpected positive. West Ham at home is the perfect game to follow that up with.

The one bonus of having so many teams ahead is that they'll inevitably be playing each other and take points off each other.

Therefore, it's all on us to put a winning run together.
At the moment it looks like 1st to 4th will be fairly close. So if we can get up to competing for 4th, we'll probably be competing for above that too!

Now come on Tottenham, draw this one!
 

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I keep waiting for Liverpool to feck up and they don't. They're annoying me. I don't expect Spurs to compete for 4th and I'm hoping Everton somehow start to fall away, too. Liverpool...
They will drop points in the coming weeks
 

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West Ham, Hull, and Norwich - 9 points and we should be at or near 4th going into Spurs on New Years.
 

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West Ham, Hull, and Norwich - 9 points and we should be at or near 4th going into Spurs on New Years.
You look too far ahead, its quite possible Hull or Norwich can take points off you.
 

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Possible yes.

Very likely that two of the worst teams in the top flight will both take points of us?? Rly?

Hull are nowhere near one of the worst teams, in fact they've done pretty well. Norwich aren't great but tend to be game raisers, weren't they one of the few teams to beat you last season?
 

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Hull are nowhere near one of the worst teams, in fact they've done pretty well. Norwich aren't great but tend to be game raisers, weren't they one of the few teams to beat you last season?

Do you think it's 'very likely' that we will drop points to both teams?
 

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Possible yes.

Very likely that two of the worst teams in the top flight will both take points of us?? Rly?
We have Hull and Norwich away from home. Hull have been very good at home and we've struggled at Norwich in the past 2 seasons. I'll be pleasantly surprised if we pick up 9 points from those 3 games
 

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We have Hull and Norwich away from home. Hull have been very good at home and we've struggled at Norwich in the past 2 seasons. I'll be pleasantly surprised if we pick up 9 points from those 3 games

I'm not saying we will win both games (I think we will), but to say it's likely to drop points in both is a bit overly pessimistic.

Jesus I hope this doesn't bite me in the arse.


No because I said 'quite possible' and Hull Or Norwich not Hull and Norwich.
I agree. I was replying to Akash in the post you original quoted that I said Hull and Norwich were crap in where he said very likely.
 

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Not if we play as we did tonight. We could comfortably take the points.

True but if we all played like we do when we win comfortably we would get 114 points a season, I wouldnt take Hull and Norwich as very likely wins.
 

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FWIW I dont expect the gap between 1st and 4th to be very big this season.
 

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I'm not saying we will win both games (I think we will), but to say it's likely to drop points in both is a bit overly pessimistic.

Jesus I hope this doesn't bite me in the arse.
I didn't say that. Rob said we might drop points to Hull or Norwich which I think is likely. Hopefully not of course
 

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It's inevitable. Suarez can't maintain this form indefinitely.
Away to City and Chelsea and home to Cardiff while we have Norwich, Hull and West Ham. Pretty likely even if he maintains his form.
 

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True but if we all played like we do when we win comfortably we would get 114 points a season, I wouldnt take Hull and Norwich as very likely wins.
You're looking at it wrong. This squad won the league just months ago and are more than capable of taking all the points from those three, irrespective of the problems we've had. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if we run the table until the Chelsea match.
 

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Everton have a nice run of fixtures coming up. Even if United go on a nice run ( finally) they will probably get no higher than 6th for a month or more.
 

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Without City in the mix, I'd quite fancy Liverpool for the title.I think 2nd is a strong possibility for them.Things could change of course but it's time to stop dismissing them.

You do realise that they are totally reliant on one player not getting injured. (yes I know they had a good start without him)
 

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I have noticed of course.This is all assuming he stays fit.Right now they are playing football that is almost on a par with City, and yes they did have a good start without him, but without him they could'nt possibley maintain a challenge which most including us would agree on.
 

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Why doesn't everyone milking themselves over Liverpool just wait and see how they do against Chelsea and City away back to back after the Cardiff at home banker...
 

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2002/03 was the unlikeliest title win I've ever witnessed a United side triumph in. After that year (and what happened in the final ten games of the 2011/12 season), I refuse to rule anything out.
You make a good point with 2003, but it's worth remembering that Arsenal were generally the sides only main competition that season. While there's nobody this season who looks by far and away the best side in the league (bar City if they can become more consistent away), there 4 teams at the moment who all look more than capable of being able to reach around that 80 point mark or more. Individually, very good form could see us take over any of them, but what makes it more difficult is that we've got to catch up to all of them, while assuming we'll probably drop our fair share of points along the way even if we do improve.
 

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Why doesn't everyone milking themselves over Liverpool just wait and see how they do against Chelsea and City away back to back after the Cardiff at home banker...

Assuming that we beat Cardiff, why would our away matches at City & Chelsea have any bearing on our chances ? After those 2 matches, win, draw, or lose, we're not going to be a million miles away regardless of the results. In the 2nd half of the season, out of all the other teams in the top 12, we only have to go to United & Southampton, the other 9 will still have to visit Anfield.

Not a bad position to be in.
 

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My money is still on Chelsea. They haven't been at their best, but they're still only two points off the top. You've got to think Mourinho will get them playing well before too long.