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I know this isnt exactly new information but having just looked at the squad again now it has hit me that as much as we need a midfielder we need a new player in probably every single position apart from goalkeeper. The degree to which this squad is about to be ripped apart is almost unprecedented and I cant see how this has happened given 2 years ago we were salivating at all of our talented youth. I suppose the easy answer is that, while good players, smalling,evans,jones,fabio, anderson have not progressed to the level many hoped....yet anyway.

This isnt a thread to argue and criticise all of the players you dont like but rather try optimistically see how we can challenge for a title again soon. I think the amount of changes mean we should be aiming for a challenge for the title in 2015/2016 at the earliest.

Im going to put in blue the players that i think will leave over the next 4 windows and mark in red where replacements will be needed, and when it gets to midfield and wings obviously we cant lose everyone so Ive just made a random selection.

Right Back: Rafael, Back up right back, (varela?)
Centre Back: Smalling, Jones, Evans, Vidic, Ferdinand, Centre Back, Back up Centre Back
Left Back: Evra, Buttner, Fabio, for one reason or another i can see all 3 leaving meaning we will need left back, back up left back

Central Midfield: Carrick, Fletcher, Cleverley, Fellaini, Giggs, Anderson, Central Midfield a, central midfield


Wingers/AM: Valencia, Young, Januzaj, Zaha, Kagawa, Nani,


Forwards: Rooney, Van Persie, Welbeck, Hernandez, Forward, Possible world class forward if rooney leaves

I dont think anything there is unreasonable and that forecast includes kagawa, rooney, young still being here. So we could see 10 players leave and a need for 8-9 new ones, while hopefully Powell and Lingard develop.

I think we wont see the big signing we all hope for in january but moyes would be sensible to do what fergie did with vidic and evra and draft in some of the players that may be easier to get just now (people mentioning the likes of astori and coentrao). we cant afford to blend too many at once and while people might scratch their head if we buy 2 defenders now for example, longer term it wouldnt be a bad idea. Off the top of my head without having a clue of what players we're looking at the world over, I see out next title challengeing squad being something like:

De Gea, Lindegaard

Rafael (probably smalling still being shifted right as needed)
Smalling, Jones, Evans, Astori, Mangala
Coentrao, Left back

Carrick, Fellaini, Fletcher, Cleverley, Herrera, Gundogan
Di Maria, Januzaj, Young, Zaha, Kagawa

Rooney, Van Persie, Welbeck, Striker

Its so hard to get your head around even just doing it casually at the computer, Moyes must be daunted by the challenge left. Even the likes of rooney and van persie are far from guaranteed to be here. Hopefully somebody can come up with a better solution to mine!
 

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Why you would sell Valencia and Nani before Young is the most important question?

Also, I think that we can do fine with just another CB if both Vidic and Rio leave (as long as the new signing is really a quality one). 4 them with Michael Keane as emergency back up is fine IMO, most top clubs don't have more. If we would utilize Fabio (something that I can't see happening) I think that we would only need a CB, first choice LB, 2 midfielders and a winger in order to become as good as any other team. For the sake of Football Manager let's say those players are Coentrao, Hummels, Gundogan, Reus * and Herrera. We would become awesome again.

* It won't happen for these three BVB players, we all know that, but well, we can dream. Hopefully Sphaero doesn't see this post cause then he'll kill me.
 

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If we are to assume that Evra, Fabio and Vidic will all leave on a free, Anderson will be sold and Rio & Giggs will retire, that would leave Rooney as the big concern for a second summer running. I was on the sell him side of things last summer but our inability to get deals for top players done, along with how much he's carried us this season, highlights the fact we must get him to sign a new deal.

Given the above list of players likely to leave I don't see any of our wingers going and if Hernandez goes it will just mean more games centrally for Kagawa.

So with that said I'd expect 3 players to be brought in as we are top heavy as it is.

Keepers - De Gea, Lindegaard

Fullbacks - Rafael, Buttner, Valera, Baines/Contreao/Shaw

Centerbacks - Jones, Smalling, Evans, New CB

Central Midfield - Carrick, Cleverley, Fletcher, Fellaini, New CM

Wide Attackers - Januzaj, Young, Nani, Valencia, Zaha, Kagawa

Strikers - RvP, Rooney, Welbeck
 

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I'd like to see us transition to a 4-3-3 over time. I believe we need two midfielders and a left-back, other than that, I don't think we need defensive re-inforcements. Varela and Keane can move into the squad as back-up.

Vidic, Rio, Evra, Anderson will go. I want Valencia gone as soon as possible too, and I'm no longer convinced by Nani either, although I believe he is easily our most talented winger. If there is any chance we can get Vidal, then we should do it. Nick Powell, if he progresses, could possibly take Cleverley's role in the squad in a couple of years too. We also need to look at a replacement for Carrick in the nearish future. Fellaini is not the answer, and should be sold before the end of this fecking month if possible. William Carvalho could be an option, seems a beast of a player.

In attack, we of course need a wide man. I'd like to see us move away from our tradition of wingers to be providers, to one where we have wingers to score goals. I want a 20 goal a season winger, for whom the responsibility to create for falls on the three CMs. Ideally, Marco Reus could do that. Then as I said in a thread in the TF, I think we will need to do something upfront soon too. I predict Rooney will leave, which would leave us with a big hole, and RVP is nearly 31, and his injuries seem to be returning. To replace Rooney, given the change in formation I'm advocating, I would like to see Ross Barkley come in. We still don't know exactly what Adnan will become either. It is possible that as he strengthens, as has been suggested a few times, he could actually move to a central striker and replace Persie. He has huge potential, and he could possibly perform a Messi-like false 9 role for us I think.

I think those changes will provide a good framework, and then hopefully a few players from the likes of Pereira, Pearson, Rothwell, Lingard, Wilson, Harrop etc will come in and fill out the squad over the next few years.
 

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If we are to assume that Evra, Fabio and Vidic will all leave on a free, Anderson will be sold and Rio & Giggs will retire, that would leave Rooney as the big concern for a second summer running. I was on the sell him side of things last summer but our inability to get deals for top players done, along with how much he's carried us this season, highlights the fact we must get him to sign a new deal.

Given the above list of players likely to leave I don't see any of our wingers going and if Hernandez goes it will just mean more games centrally for Kagawa.

So with that said I'd expect 3 players to be brought in as we are top heavy as it is.

Keepers - De Gea, Lindegaard

Fullbacks - Rafael, Buttner, Valera, Baines/Contreao/Shaw

Centerbacks - Jones, Smalling, Evans, New CB

Central Midfield - Carrick, Cleverley, Fletcher, Fellaini, New CM

Wide Attackers - Januzaj, Young, Nani, Valencia, Zaha, Kagawa

Strikers - RvP, Rooney, Welbeck

Pretty much this. Only thing is, if we don't get 4th I can see van Persie getting itchy feet too. Also, I'd drop Buttner as he'd most likely be shipped off eventually. Nani will stick around considering his new contract thought I'm not too sure on Young. I'd love to see him go but Moyes seems to like him a lot. We need as far as I'm concerned:

1x first choice LB
1x backup LB
1x quality CB
1x quality CM that can create from deep
1x backup striker should Rooney & RvP stay or at least one of them stay else add a top quality striker to that list too.

There ya have it, anybody got Woody's email?
 

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Pretty much this. Only thing is, if we don't get 4th I can see van Persie getting itchy feet too. Also, I'd drop Buttner as he'd most likely be shipped off eventually. Nani will stick around considering his new contract thought I'm not too sure on Young. I'd love to see him go but Moyes seems to like him a lot. We need as far as I'm concerned:

1x first choice LB
1x backup LB
1x quality CB
1x quality CM that can create from deep
1x backup striker should Rooney & RvP stay or at least one of them stay else add a top quality striker to that list too.

There ya have it, anybody got Woody's email?
woody.woodfecker2k13@manutd.com
 

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Out: Young, Anderson, Valencia, Buttner, Bebe, Macheda, Fellaini, Hernandez

In: Contreao, Koke, Gundogan, Reus

Promote: Lingard

Keeper - De Gea, Lindegaard
Fullbacks - Rafael, Fabio, Evra, Contreao
Centerbacks - Jones, Smalling, Evans, Vidic, Rio
Central Midfield - Carrick, Fletcher, Cleverley, Koke, Gundogan
Wide Attackers - Januzaj, Nani, Reus, Zaha, Giggs, Lingard
Forwards - RVP, Rooney, Kagawa, Welbeck
 

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While there might be a huge turnover over the next couple of years, I don't see the need to go and buy 10-12 players as we will also add to the squad internally via the youth team. Players like Blackett and M.Keane in defence as cover (Coentrao and Astori/Mangala/Garay/etc), hoping at least one of Pearson/Rothwell/Pereira/Goss/Harrop makes the step up in the next couple of years, along with Wilson and W.Keane in attack. So in terms of squad depth, we should be okay filling in with talented youngsters. Its just probably 4-6 purchases over the next 2 summers, which includes the Coentrao/Astori deals.
 

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This is like the Football Manager thread.
I was going to suggest this belongs more on a FIFA 14 forum, but yours is better.

We rarely buys established World stars either, boys and girls. So I'd save the Vidal and Reus talk for the wank bank, along with your other wild dreams.
 

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We have Vermijl guys. He'll be a good back up for Rafael.
I really doubt that. Never looked to me that he'll become a United player.

I haven't watched Varela (except a bit on that tournament) so can't comment on him, but people are saying that he looks promising so hopefully he becomes good. He looks even faster than Rafael.
 

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I really doubt that. Never looked to me that he'll become a United player.

I haven't watched Varela (except a bit on that tournament) so can't comment on him, but people are saying that he looks promising so hopefully he becomes good. He looks even faster than Rafael.
I have seen him a couple of times since his loan and he looks very good/promising.

He also had a fantastic end to the year with the ressies last year. Very consistent as I remember.
 

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This summer I can see a lot of the following leaving: Evra, Fabio, Rio, Vidic, Young, Rooney, Hernandez.

If all of the above were to leave... We would definitely need a LB, a CB, at least one CM, A Winger, and a replacement for Rooney - either AM or CF.

These will be made up of people that can play football.
 

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Goalkeeper: De Gea, Lindegaard
Fullbacks: Rafael, Varela, Fabio, Coentrao
Centrebacks: Smalling, Jones, Evans, Mangala, Vidic
Midfielders: Carrick, Fellaini, Fletcher, Powell, Gundogan, Barkley
Wide Players: Januzaj, Reus, Zaha, Lingard
Forwards: Rvp, Rooney, Welbeck, Kagawa
 

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Sack moyes, get someone more capable.

Right Back-Rafael and Fabio.
Centre Back-Evans,Smalling, Jones, Vidic and Keane.
Left Back-Coentrao,Evra and Fabio.
Right Wing-Janujaz,Nani and Zaha.
Left Wing-Draxler,Zaha and Lingaard.
AM-Kagawa,Rooney,Pjanic.
Strikers-Rooney,RVP,Welbeck and Hernandez.
Midfield-Carrick,Rakitic, Marchiso and Fletcher.

Ins: Draxler,Pjanic, Rakitic and Marchiso.

Out:Moyes,Rio,Giggs,Buttner,Valencia,Young,Cleverley and Anderson.
 

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Sack moyes, get someone more capable.

Right Back-Rafael and Fabio.
Centre Back-Evans,Smalling, Jones, Vidic and Keane.
Left Back-Coentrao,Evra and Fabio.
Right Wing-Janujaz,Nani and Zaha.
Left Wing-Draxler,Zaha and Lingaard.
AM-Kagawa,Rooney,Pjanic.
Strikers-Rooney,RVP,Welbeck and Hernandez.
Midfield-Carrick,Rakitic, Marchiso and Fletcher.

Ins: Draxler,Pjanic, Rakitic and Marchiso.

Out:Moyes,Rio,Giggs,Buttner,Valencia,Young,Cleverley and Anderson.
No manager in? Risky.
 

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Wouldn't change the goalkeeping situation, we're fine there.

Goalkeeper
de Gea
Lindegaard
Amos

I'd let Evra, Ferdinand, Vidić, Fábio and Büttner go. I'd try bring in a right back to cover Rafael, a centre back and two left backs. Perhaps Coentrão and Shaw for the left back, this Astori fella for centre back and maybe promoting Varela if he's still with us and is ready.

Defence
Rafael
Jones
Evans
Smalling
Varela
Coentrão
Shaw
Astori

It looks like Anderson is already on the way out. I'd let Giggs retire. I'd bring Powell back in. I'd keep Young and Valencia one more season, but they'd both be benched. Kagawa may leave too. Now, I have absolutely no faith in us pulling off a big signing in midfield, especially with no Champions League football but in my dream world we'd bring in both Gündoğan and Koke. Also, Reus to be brought in as a wide player. I'd loan out Zaha.

Midfield
Carrick
Nani
Young
Cleverley
Fletcher
Valencia
Fellaini
Januzaj
Powell
Gündoğan
Koke
Reus

Up front, I see Hernández moving on. I'd keep the other three, which may not be possible, with promotion of Henríquez and Lingard.

Attack
Rooney
Welbeck
van Persie
Henríquez
Lingard
 

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GK: No changes are needed

IN: No one
Out: No one

Defense

RB: It all depends on Varela and Vermijl but its pretty evident that we need someone to cover the right rear flank. Watching Smalling, Valencia and Jones playing there is painful.
CB: Rio is a goner. In my opinion we should give Vidic a new contract. I am sure that Vidic, Jones, Smalling, Evans and Keane provide enough quality and strength in depth.
LB: I feel that both Evra and Fabio are leaving. Coentrao would be an ideal first teamer and wouldn't cost alot. Butner will act as cover with Blackett moving as third option

Out: Rio, Evra and Fabio
In: Coentrao and possibly a right back

CM

DM: Fletcher is back and is playing pretty well in this position. I still think we need a cover though. Matuidi is the cheaper and more experienced option, Carvalho is younger but he's more expensive
Deep lying playmaker: Carrick has 2 good years left in him and I would give Cleverley another try. However we need some real quality in this position. Ideally we would get Gundogan (with Kagawa acting as a sweetener). However Marchisio (using Nani as a sweetener) and Cabaye may prove a cheaper option.
AM: Kagawa hasn't settled well at OT and considering we already have 3 players who can cover the role well (Rooney, Fellaini, Powell) then he wont need any replacement. If we can add him as a sweetener for Gundogan it would be great.

In: Carvalho/Matuidi and Gundogan/Marchisio/Cabaye
Out: Ando, Giggs


Wings

RW: I haven't lost hope in Valencia although I still prefer Januzaj to him. Zaha should return.
LW: Nani should go. The talent is there but it simply hasnt worked out for him at OT. Reus has a minimum fee clause. Mata would be a great alternative while it wouldn't be a bad idea to scout Muniain. With Januzaj and Mata/Reus/Muniain Moyes would have two inside wingers capable of creating havoc in the center.

In: Reus/Mata/Muniain
Out:Young, Nani

Striker

STK: I think Hernandez will be leaving. However we've got enough cover with Welbeck, Rooney and RVP.

IN: No one
Out: Hernandez.
 

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Just gonna repost something I posted in September, wherein I presumed we'd sign Coentrao in January. Everyone in bold was 25 or under at the time:

Discounting those who I'm near-certain won't be here three years from now, and you're looking at building from this:​
De Gea (Lindegaard)​
Evans Smalling Jones Keane (Vidic)​
Rafael Varela Coentrao Fabio
Fellaini Cleverley Powell Kagawa (Carrick)​
Zaha Januzaj Nani Lingard (Rooney)​
Welbeck Hernandez Henriquez Keane (Van Persie)​
Subtract a couple of kids who fall away, a couple of players who feck off and probably one of the over-30s who falls apart. Then add a couple of signed squad players and a couple of kids stepping up. After that all we need is two big transfers in whichever positions need it most (midfield, one imagines) and we'll have a pretty bloody squad in three years. Just need to get the signings right...​

The only thing that's changed for me is that Fabio seems to be a goner now. If I'm muppeting it up I'd say the two big transfers should be a Gundogan or a Koke or a Herrera this summer and then some outrageously talented attacking player next year.
 

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I'd start with a switch to a consistent 4-2-3-1/4-3-3

Goalkeepers: De Gea and Lindegaard.

In/Out: None.

Keep as is, Lindegaard is not first choice material but a fantastic back up option to have.

Defenders: Rafael, Fabio, Jones, Smalling, Vidic, Evans, Evra, Coentrao, Keane.

In: Coentrao
Out: Ferdinand

Rio has been a fantastic player for us but it is clear that his time has come to an end at this level, or at least for us. He will have no shortage of suitors. Keep Vidic and hopefully tie Evra down for a further year, his experience and respect amongst the players will be good to have around to further ease the transition. If he is to go I wouldn't be fussed on finding another full back as long as we can keep Fabio. Michael Keane will be a good choice for the cups and as cover.

Centre Midfielders: Carrick, Fletcher, Fellaini, Cleverley, Gundogan

In: Gundogan
Outs: Anderson

If Carrick and Fletcher stay fit then I feel we only need to bring in one body to replace Anderson who increasingly looks like he is on the way out. I would target Gundogan for two reasons. Firstly, he is great. Secondly because another player from Dortmund may bring the best out of Kagawa. Although in fairness I am not sure how much they played together so that may be moot but familiarity in that area could only help.

Attacking Mids/Wingers: Kagawa, Nani, Januzaj, Powell, Giggs, Lingard, Zaha, Pereira.

Ins: None
Outs: Young, Valencia

Here is where I feel is key, if we blood some of the youngsters who already know a lot about how they play then we can save a fortune in an area where a lot of the talent is highly priced and sought after. I have faith in Nani and feel we would have done Swansea some serious harm had he played instead of Valencia last weekend, his tendency to cut in off of his wing coupled with his versatility to play either side to a high level could be crucial. Kagawa needs playing where he plays best. Players like Lingard deserve at least one season to give it a go with us and Perieira looks special, he may go on loan but I would prefer to see him in cup games next season.

Forwards: Rooney, Welbeck, RVP, Will Keane

Ins: None
Outs: Hernandez

My out could quite easily be RVP as well, 3 players for one central spot is enough. Rooney is vital I think and I would much prefer him starting furthest up the pitch and interchanging with all the forward players whilst dropping off of the front. Welbeck is versatile and RVP is a finishing monster, it really is a toss up but I think we should endeavour to keep Rooney and Welbeck. Keane, depending on fitness I feel would do better amongst better players, same as Lingard, I do think we should at least give him a shot if expectations are lowered and we face the reality of the situation we are in. We need to start putting faith in these young players again.


A lot of this is based on giving the young ones a chance, it is just how I would like to see things done! although no doubt some will disagree. I personally think we can challenge with that squad whilst having massive potential for improvement.

My starting XI would then be:

---------------- De Gea
Rafael ----- Vidic --- Evans ---- Coentrao
---------- Carrick --- Gundogan
Nani ---------- Kagawa --------- Januzaj
---------------- Rooney
 

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Obviously there are certain areas of the squad that are more of a priority but I would love to see us go out and sign a top class striker. Someone who is about 24 or 25 and stick them on a five year contract.

Lets be honest we dont know if Rooney is going to hang about, and RVP will be 31 by the time the next season starts, and Im starting to worry that this injury he has at the minute could be the start of a long period of in and out for him fitness wise and we may not be able to rely on him over the next few years.
 

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In terms of first 11 going forward I think it might be an idea to play Smalling and Evans behind Jones whenever all three are fit. It's a potentially excellent base on which to build a great side that could last several years.
 

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I'd go for the following 4 players in:
  1. Matuidi
  2. Rakitic
  3. Shaw
  4. Draxler
4 Players out:
  1. Valencia
  2. Anderson
  3. Ferdinand
  4. Evra
First Team:

*Yes I've left Carrick out! If Rooney decides to leave, you'd then have the option of replacing Rooney with Kagawa or pushing Rakitic into the hole and putting Carrick alongside Matuidi.

---------------- De Gea
Rafael ----- Vidic --- Evans ---- Shaw
---------- Matuidi --- Rakitic
Januzaj ---------- Rooney --------- Draxler
---------------- RVP
 

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This doesn't need too much thought. We need to Sign 3 top Class players. By top class I mean players who wouldn't look out of place in Bayern or Barcelona's team. Januzaj, Rooney and Van Persie are the only outfielders I would consider top class right now.

We need one in CM, one at left back and one on the right wing. If we manage that, and to keep our best players, we will be as strong as we have been in some time.

I would rather do a Barcelona and have a World-Class XI with good back-up, rather than having the depth of two good XI's but neither of which being World-Class. With that in mind I would sell some of the decent players who don't get starts (Anderson, Nani, Hernandez...) to fund towards the 2 or 3 top class players.
 

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Is this what I think will happen or what I would like to happen?
If it's me guessing what will actually happen over the next year and a half:

Players leaving: lindegaard, Ferdinand, evra, Fabio, buttner, nani, kagawa, Anderson, giggs, Hernandez, Rooney, van Persie. We might even cut our losses with Fellaini by then

Ferdinand and giggs retiring, evra going back to Monaco, Anderson probably leaving wherever, same with Fabio as contract is up, nani looks like he'll be sold, kagawa and Hernandez to look for first team football and then one of Rooney or van Persie if we don't make champions league football, both are getting to the end of their primes and won't want to be part of a rebuilding process.

Players coming in: backup keeper, 2 CB's (astori, someone else), 2 left backs (coentrao, Alex Sandro? ), 2 starting centre mids (gundogan, Matuidi?), 2 wingers and a striker, maybe 2.

Obviously this is an unrealistic amount of players leaving and all that, but for all of them you can see leaving within the next few transfer windows, and the only ones I'm sure moyes would really like to keep are Rooney and RVP, the others he probably won't care too much if they go.

So our squad for the start of the 2015/16 season if most of the above leave:
Goalkeepers: De Gea, Lindegaard/new backup, Johnston
Fullbacks: Rafael, new RB, Coentrao, Alex Sandro
Centerbacks: Jones, Evans, Smalling, Astori, Mangala?
Center mids: Gundogan, Matuidi as starters, Carrick, Fletcher, Cleverley, Powell all cover
Wingers/Attacking Mids: Januzaj, Kagawa (hopefully), Koke? as starters, Young, Valencia, Zaha as cover/squad players
Strikers: Welbeck, 1 top class striker, 1 young squad option with a lot of potential (wilson?)

So for a semi-realistic starting lineup at the start of the 2015/16 season:

De Gea
Rafael - Jones - Evans - Coentrao
Gundogan - Matuidi
Koke - Kagawa - Januzaj
Welbeck
Simple, get it done Moyesy.​
 

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Pogba, Koke, Draxler, Mangala, Barkley, Shaw in over the next year or so for about 170m. Rio and Giggs will retire, Nani, Young, Valencia, Anderson, Fabio, Rooney, Fellaini, Buttner, Evra, Lindegaard, Kagawa, Hernandez will all go. Vidic, Carrick and RVP will stay but play less and less, Evans, Smalling, Zaha, Powell, Keane and Keane will get decent game time.

2016 side:
De Gea​
Rafael Jones Mangala Shaw​
Pogba Koke​
Januzaj Barkley Draxler​
Welbeck​

This won't happen
 

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Football Manager thread. :lol:

We might potentially have numbers 3,5,7,8,9,10 and 11 free next season.

Now if that doesn't scream "rebuilding" I don't know what is.
 

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I don't think we can afford to let Vidic or Evra go, if there's a way to avoid it. It would mean too much turnover in terms of personell - provided Fabio really doesn't have a chance with Moyes.

I would, however, retain Fabio and feck Evra off.

My rebuild:

Out: Macheda, Bebe, Anderson, Ferdinand, Giggs, Büttner, Young

In: Powell (back from loan), Shaw, Rakitic, Di Maria


What will likely happen:

Out: Macheda, Bebe, Anderson, Ferdinand, Evra, Fabio - question marks over Rooney depending on final league position

In: Coentrao, Astori, Matuidi
 

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When he reaches the borders, he stops?

Yeah but then you have to go back and it's an awful shape for a mat. The mouse/mat ratio isn't good in the first place and the shape of it just makes things worse.
 

Skywarden

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Not only was he left with a squad that was rough around the edges, the club couldn't even provide a proper mouse-mat.

Bloody Glazers.