His big transfers at Everton aren't that good to be fair. He is excellent at finding players like Coleman for two dollars or so, but not that great when it came to the big fee transfers (Bilaledinov, Yakubu were a bit shit, Johnson was one season ok and then a bit shit while Fellaini was excellent).
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I can see that being used as an excuse.
Yeah, he was quite poor at signing strikers, though a lot of that was down to them suffering injuries. And when you say big transfers, it's all relative, I think Miralles at 8m was his 4th biggest signing or something, and he's been a bargain. Overall his record in the market is fantastic.
Jose has once again said some good words about us. Still think he is gagging for us. 
Oh, I definitely agree that the anti-Moyes party definitely have a stronger case than the pro-Moyes party. No doubt 'bout that. I didn't realise the amount of self-doubt I put in my post with all the "think" and "hopefully" I added.
I don't think I can give you a reasonable answer for that. I know he's had 6/7 months to settle, but I just still think he should have more time. I also think that a part of my support of Moyes comes from my fact I do not think we'll sack him mid-season, so there is absolutely no point in going against him. As I said, I can most definitely understand why many people wouldn't do the same.
It's been a God-awful season for us, and I hope no one takes that in a bad way, but it's strangely interesting seeing us struggling. It kind of shows who's the glory-hunters and who's not - I've already met a couple of people who have brought up the "Eh, I can't be bothered with football anymore" and have literally ceased to support United now.
But anyway - why do I think he'll turn it around? I just think we've almost hit rock bottom now - I know it could be a HELL OF A LOT WORSE with us being in relegation or something, but that's just boarder-line impossible to go from Champions to that in a season
I really don't understand why we're performing badly, but I just think he should be given until end of the season.I understand I still haven't answered your question - I guess that says that I'm technically supporting Moyes blindly. I think my head thinks he won't make it, but my heart wishes he'll turn it around because he seems like a good guy. He's clearly not a terrible manager - I just think he's still finding it hard to fill the hot seat left by Fergie. This crossing business is just him being very anxious now. I think a loss against Arsenal will more or less secure us not finishing 4th. No more pressure will be on us, and if he's given until the end of the season at least, I think he'll just thrive when there's no pressure on him. Reckon he'll understand the team more. Whether the players' minds will still be focused with knowing there'll be no CL football next season is a different matter.
I'm happy I'm not in charge for having to make the decision to be honest.
Everton under Martinez are playing better football than we did under Fergie the last few seasons so it isn't just Moyes that failed to get this team playing wonderful football.
The players that are likely to leave - Vidic, Rio, Evra etc.. won't be that big of a miss on the pitch.
I bet that has Mata worried.Jose has once again said some good words about us. Still think he is gagging for us.
Yep. It would be a solid excuse if he hadnt spent the whole season criticising a title winning team and talking about the huge changes and clearout in the summer. Now he has to deliver the players in the summer. If not then next season he has absolutely no excuse.
We were talking about why you thought Moyes will be good at transfers for us.
The players we bring are very unlikely to be as good though. As I said big champions league teams are going to be trying to sign the same players. No matter how far they have lessened over the years they are still all very good players and will be very hard to replace with similar quality let alone better.
You are so contradictory! What United is made of is we have so many legends over the years and SAF is up there on top. Any strong and successful managers after his era will NEVER EVER erase his status or lower his position in the hearts of we supporters or the Club itself.
Small time thinking like yourself (about SAF's ego etc) has no place in assessing what SAF is really made of. Period.
Yes, I then mentioned his record with Everton which you stated is irrelevant, and then decided to have a bash at Moyes and state the only reason Everton are playing better football than us now is because of him, which isn't true, Martinez's Everton are playing better football than we did in SAF's last two seasons.
This very season it happened, Fluminense. The league done some dodgy moves and docked another team 4 points to negate it though.Oh, I definitely agree that the anti-Moyes party definitely have a stronger case than the pro-Moyes party. No doubt 'bout that. I didn't realise the amount of self-doubt I put in my post with all the "think" and "hopefully" I added.
I don't think I can give you a reasonable answer for that. I know he's had 6/7 months to settle, but I just still think he should have more time. I also think that a part of my support of Moyes comes from my fact I do not think we'll sack him mid-season, so there is absolutely no point in going against him. As I said, I can most definitely understand why many people wouldn't do the same.
It's been a God-awful season for us, and I hope no one takes that in a bad way, but it's strangely interesting seeing us struggling. It kind of shows who's the glory-hunters and who's not - I've already met a couple of people who have brought up the "Eh, I can't be bothered with football anymore" and have literally ceased to support United now.
But anyway - why do I think he'll turn it around? I just think we've almost hit rock bottom now - I know it could be a HELL OF A LOT WORSE with us being in relegation or something, but that's just boarder-line impossible to go from Champions to that in a season
I understand I still haven't answered your question - I guess that says that I'm technically supporting Moyes blindly. I think my head thinks he won't make it, but my heart wishes he'll turn it around because he seems like a good guy. He's clearly not a terrible manager - I just think he's still finding it hard to fill the hot seat left by Fergie. This crossing business is just him being very anxious now. I think a loss against Arsenal will more or less secure us not finishing 4th. No more pressure will be on us, and if he's given until the end of the season at least, I think he'll just thrive when there's no pressure on him. Reckon he'll understand the team more. Whether the players' minds will still be focused with knowing there'll be no CL football next season is a different matter.
I'm happy I'm not in charge for having to make the decision to be honest.
SAF, one final job for us, fix the FA to dock everyone above us 10-12 points, plz.
No there not which is why they are 6th, we were never 6th in SAF's last two seasons. And there is no proof what so ever that Moyes might be good at transfers for us. There is proof how ever that he is a rubbish manager for us.
That might be true of Vidic, Rio, Evra (although their experience and leadership is a significant loss), but it would be disappointing if Kagawa, Hernandez, Nani, Rafael?, RvP? were cleared out too, while Young, Buttner, and Valencia remain. Moyes's idea of deadwood may be very different to our own, we simply have to wait to find out.
Don't know if already posted but the Fulham defender Dan Burn compares our style to a conference side.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26120927
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26120927
One of our requisites to being given the job should have first and foremost been, we need someone who knows how to play attacking, incisive, technical football, Moyes football has never impressed me from his ten years at Everton, to even having seen a match of his old Preston side, who were organised but bloody dour.
I've cringed when I've heard the phrase:"Moyes is out of his depth at United", because he has a lot of qualities that you need to be a great Premier League manager, but clearly now after the Fulham game its showing in big, flashing, neon lights the fact he's very limited on how to open teams up effectively, you can make excuses for results, blaming the lack of midfield or defense, but when you have Rooney, RvP, Mata, Januzaj and co already and all you can produce is that siht you're in trouble,
I'm really losing hope for the future that this will ever come good simply due to the fact I don't see Moyes football able to take us into the next decade.
I've cringed when I've heard the phrase:"Moyes is out of his depth at United", because he has a lot of qualities that you need to be a great Premier League manager, but clearly now after the Fulham game its showing in big, flashing, neon lights the fact he's very limited on how to open teams up effectively, you can make excuses for results, blaming the lack of midfield or defense, but when you have Rooney, RvP, Mata, Januzaj and co already and all you can produce is that siht you're in trouble,
I'm really losing hope for the future that this will ever come good simply due to the fact I don't see Moyes football able to take us into the next decade.
Not only are we losing positions and points this season, but it looks like we are going to lose a couple of players I dont want us to lose in Hernandez and Kagawa. Its becoming ever so evident that both of them are ready to leave to get first team action.
Don't think it will bother him. He seems to be hiding behind excuse after excuse, what harm will one more do?
I said he's good in the transfer market, which he is, he isn't going to suddenly stop being good because he's at a bigger club. His scouting system is clearly very good, I've read umpteen articles on it, it is very scientific, very logical and is very sound. And so what? I don't care if they're sixth, they play better football. Arsenal play better football than us and regularly finish below us, it isn't just about winning. The team that wins the league don't necessarily play the best football. Southampton play better football than us and they're below us. Then again I suppose it's all about personal preference, how would you like us to play football? I'm sure you've been moaning about the quality of it under Moyes, so what's your idea of good football? What do you feel is different now than under Ferguson? And I'm not talking about results, I'm talking about the style of our football. What's different?
Hernandez will go and I hope he does.
He's to good a player to be rotting away on our bench.
I think we'll be surprised with some of the players who'll leave in the summer. I see Ferdinand, Evra, van Persie, Chicharito, Kagawa and Carrick all joining Vidic.
Nah. I disagree about RVP and Carrick. The rest I agree.
If that happens there will be uproar. Can't see that many leaving, especially RVP and Carrick
Andy Mitten reckons we'll see six or seven leave, including some senior figures who aren't happy. I would not be surprised to see van Persie and Carrick leave.
Where are you getting this from?
"Fortunately, he's left me a really strong team, which I think gives me a great chance of retaining the title," were Moyes' words last August.
a few weeks later he said the team only won because others were so poor.
a few weeks later he said the team only won because others were so poor.
Evra, Ferdinand, Buttner, Kagawa, Nani, Hernandez, Vidic. Bring in Reus, two central midfielders, a left back, a left back/right back and a centre back. Simples.
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Why would we let RVP leave? We didnt let Rooney leave last summer because he was under contract and we felt we needed him. Surely the same applies to RVP this summer?
Don't see Buttner going unless we intend to bring in two left-backs. Nani is a possibility.
Nani and Buttner are nailed on. I don't think Carrick will go, but I wouldn't be surprised if it did happen.
If he isn't happy, and if Moyes thinks he's undermining him, then he could very well leave.
So two left-backs to be signed? I hope you're right.
The senior players that leave will be the ones Moyes thinks are treading water / not pulling their weight, or the ones that are dangerously close to being out of contract where it is our last chance to cash in. So Rooney is still a risk. Obviously Vidic and Rio etc. But not RVP. He stays whether he likes it or not.
This is the thing about listening to your inner child when making decisions. Children make very bad decisions.
This is the thing about listening to your inner child when making decisions. Children make very bad decisions.
RVP's coming into the final years of his prime and the reason he came here was to win trophies. He left Arsenal because they were only getting CL football, so it's not unreasonable to think he'd want to leave if a good bid came in from a top side. I don't think he will personally, but if he really wanted to leave and the club got an excellent bid I'm not sure he'd stay. The same could apply for Rooney again.
Ideally it'll be a player who can cover both fullback positions. If we sign a new left back and they do their ankle ligaments would you trust Buttner to cover for three months? It's pointless him being here, Evra's knee is apparently done and he still has to play three times a week.
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