I told you I was losing my mind.
That Everton game.
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
Well there is such thing as the straw that broke the camel's back.
But I agree with you. My take is that the several months of poor football culminating in the loss to City was probably what would have made up anyone's mind. If you thought he should have been sacked at that point, its unlikely you feel differently now. If you thought he needed another season, the same.
The post to which I replied had as its premise that Moyes would be sacked if we lost our remaining games.
I don't know what calamity might cost Moyes his job - if what he's done so far is considered acceptable, running naked through the streets of Manchester with a dead rat in his jaws might well elicit a vote of confidence from the board. If there are vestiges of sanity remaining in the upper echelons of the club though, end of season humiliation might concentrate minds.
I want us to win because we are directly competing with them to finish 4th.
It's objectively stupid, with all due respect. Like a kid acting the prat when his ice cream cone topples into the sandpen.
This season I've seen online supporters call match going fans foolish, deluded and stubborn for not booing the team. I've seen the language towards Moyes become personal. A fecking banner over the stadium after 3/4th of a bad season gone by. And now we have threads hoping we, Manchester United, get thrashed by the opposition. Why? There is no guarantee that Moyes' probable departure will result in an automatic improvement for the team. Why wish for defeat? Why would you want to inflict that on our match going supporters, on our players, just so you get to test your childish hypotheses mostly rooted in fantasy?
The Manchester United leadership doesn't seem to be comprised of idiots, so despite scattered wins here and there, they are evaluating the big picture. If they decide to grant Moyes an extension it won't be the last few wins that sway them, it will be his potential. If they decide he can't lead Manchester United, he will be gone. Until then, I don't see how winning can hurt our cause.
This has nothing to do with thinking he is not the right man for the job. That is a perfectly valid view. But taking that opinion, and then wanting your team that you support to lose... just so maybe he'll be fired... and maybe we'll get the right man to lead us to glory... It's extremely childish and immature, compared to the fans that despite their opinion on Moyes, want the team to succeed and win every game.
The sad thing is, in our current predicament that is what we are trying to do.
You're overreacting. Most of those people seem to be saying that they'd accept a loss/ a series of losses in the hypothetical scenario that he'd be sacked as a result or after. Which is pretty logical if you think sacking Moyes will be good for the club. Very very few if Any are actually saying that they want us to lose those games to test this theory out.
Read the OP and see if anyone actually wants us to lose against Everton.
Fair enough, that's one. But the majority see it the other way IMO.
I couldn't be bothered really. It must suck wanting the team to lose but as long as you want what's best for the club (in your mind), it doesnt make a difference to me.
Sigh, why is there another 'I hope we lose' thread. I think a lot of Red Cafe fans are the worst fans I've ever seen.
You should check out the Facebook fans then.
What if because of this loss we miss out on fourth (small chance, I know)? Or would you sacrifice that as well?
Please stop talking about 4th, the RAWK meltdown threads have seen countless numbers of us laugh at their delusion and desperation over the years..
To be honest I'm not feeling that much excitement about these remaining games anyway, I just want the season to be over so something happens in the summer to raise our spirits, either in the form of a new manager or new players.
I guess I want us to win like I always do, though the win would be relatively meaningless to me in the grand scheme of things. If I'm being honest though, in a situation where we were losing 3-0 or something I'd be quite happy to see us ship a few more goals to make it the sort of result that acts the final nail in Moyes coffin. Surely he wouldn't stay on after that?
So yeah. I want a win but if it turns out to be a regime-ending defeat I honestly won't be complaining. Same thing applies to the other remaining games. What I really don't want is a mixed bag that isn't quite enough to see Moyes go but still undermines any sense of optimism that has built with recent results.
I guess I want us to win like I always do, though the win would be relatively meaningless to me in the grand scheme of things. If I'm being honest though, in a situation where we were losing 3-0 or something I'd be quite happy to see us ship a few more goals to make it the sort of result that acts the final nail in Moyes coffin. Surely he wouldn't stay on after that?
So yeah. I want a win but if it turns out to be a regime-ending defeat I honestly won't be complaining. Same thing applies to the other remaining games. What I really don't want is a mixed bag that isn't quite enough to see Moyes go but still undermines any sense of optimism that has built with recent results.
If Moyes is not good enough (which in my opinion he's not), then he will be sacked sooner or later. Be patient, support the team and we'll see how it plays out.
The people on the board are not useless morons even if they appear to be at times. They know we've been shit and will know when things reach the point when the manager has to go.
Saying Moyes has been shit is fair enough. Wishing he stays shit or becomes worse so that he can be sacked sooner is a completely different story.
The people on the board are not useless morons even if they appear to be at times. They know we've been shit and will know when things reach the point when the manager has to go.
Saying Moyes has been shit is fair enough. Wishing he stays shit or becomes worse so that he can be sacked sooner is a completely different story.
After watching them celebrate at OT, I really hope we stuff them at goodison park.
It wasn't a good feeling after we lost that day
It wasn't a good feeling after we lost that day
What difference would a loss to Everton make to our season or our board?
If they've not figured out he's not a very good manager up until now a loss against a top four side away won't do anything to change their minds.
If they've not figured out he's not a very good manager up until now a loss against a top four side away won't do anything to change their minds.
There were guys who though if we got thumped by both Liverpool and City at OT that would be Moyes gone there and there. Didn't happen. Like many have already said here, losing to Everton is unlikely to make a difference, they've either decided that he's gone come the summer or he'll get another season. I just don't see how wanting us to lose all our remaining games is going to benefit anyone.
On Moyes it's as if some want him to fail, clearly they do but I doubt there have been guys here who have actively hoped for say Antonio Valencia to play shit in the hope that he'll be sold. Surely as a fan of the club you want your manager and players alike to do well even if you don't rate them?
On Moyes it's as if some want him to fail, clearly they do but I doubt there have been guys here who have actively hoped for say Antonio Valencia to play shit in the hope that he'll be sold. Surely as a fan of the club you want your manager and players alike to do well even if you don't rate them?
If we lose, Moyes shouldn't be allowed on the bus back to Manchester. Sack him in the dressing room after the game.
Everton still have to play City, Us, Saints and a Hull city managed by Brucey, who are either FA Cup champions or defeated finalists out to prove a point. Why do we want to lose to these cnuts?
The FA Cup final is after the last league match.
fecking hell
I hope he doesn't lose this game and tell us that Everton is the level we should aspire to.
It's painful, to think that we're this close to getting him sacked, but every time we're making a progress (i.e. getting him closer to his P45) it'll be at the expense of our beloved club.
Every lost is painful, the humiliation, the jeering, the thought that "Feck, what was that" and the painful memory of our dour shite on a stick football will live longer than people can imagine, if any of you thinks it's enjoyable... you probably smoking a banned and illegal substances.
But if winning means Moyes gets another season to ruin our squad, then feck me, I'd take that painful excruciating nightmare inducing lost "NOW" than to live without "HOPE" for the next 2-3 years.
We are risk taker, SAF is risk taker, it's engrained in our attacking football phyolosophy. I'd rather take a risky manager with the hope of excitement and glory, rather than a safe hand approach like Moyes. If he one day eventually get his grip, I'm quite confident in saying that he probably will only managed to get us stabilized for 4th, and nothing beyond that.
Kinda like John O'shea, dependable and won't leave, but you know his ceiling. That is what Moyes is, and he's not even doing what JoS did, he's just simply overawed with his dream come true.
Every lost is painful, the humiliation, the jeering, the thought that "Feck, what was that" and the painful memory of our dour shite on a stick football will live longer than people can imagine, if any of you thinks it's enjoyable... you probably smoking a banned and illegal substances.
But if winning means Moyes gets another season to ruin our squad, then feck me, I'd take that painful excruciating nightmare inducing lost "NOW" than to live without "HOPE" for the next 2-3 years.
We are risk taker, SAF is risk taker, it's engrained in our attacking football phyolosophy. I'd rather take a risky manager with the hope of excitement and glory, rather than a safe hand approach like Moyes. If he one day eventually get his grip, I'm quite confident in saying that he probably will only managed to get us stabilized for 4th, and nothing beyond that.
Kinda like John O'shea, dependable and won't leave, but you know his ceiling. That is what Moyes is, and he's not even doing what JoS did, he's just simply overawed with his dream come true.
WTF???!!! "we're this close to getting him sacked"??? WHO is "this close to getting him sacked?? What are "we" doing to get him sacked then?? Why are "we" "this close to getting him sacked"?? How do you know "we" are even close to "getting him sacked"?? Do you have friends on the Board? Do you have the ears of the Glazers?
Have you taken your prozac ?
We'll win that match easily, there's still hope we reach top 4. In the coach and the players I believe.
Steven Gerrard aka Mr Liverpool's pass to Drogba pretty much summer that one up.Have we ever laughed about them wanting Liverpool to lose?
I don't get it. Do you think we will win it easily because we still have a mathematical chance of getting top 4?
How are we competing with anyone to finish 4th when we know we won't finish 4th?
We'll give everything because we know there's still a chance of being in the Top 4, and I think we can do it. If you still can't understand that please watch a different sport.
So all this while we have not been giving everything? Or have we not believed we still have a chance for top 4?
Or the more logical reason for our performances so far is we have not been good enough despite believing in our chances. So suddenly why would our belief in our chances (which have become slimmer than earlier) be a reason for us easily beating a red-hot Everton away from home who are themselves in prime position to get the 4th spot.
Before I change the sport I follow, you should get your posts proof read by someone with an iota of common sense 'cause you do seem to lack it.
I think there a lot of people who simply don't see the point in keeping him after this season.
He has done nothing at all to show he is up to it, that's the worse thing.
You can be an unpopular choice, or have a bad start, maybe even a bad season but still show signs that you are changing things for the better.
Moyes isn't even flatlining, he jumped off a cliff day one and has been a dead man walking since.
He has done nothing at all to show he is up to it, that's the worse thing.
You can be an unpopular choice, or have a bad start, maybe even a bad season but still show signs that you are changing things for the better.
Moyes isn't even flatlining, he jumped off a cliff day one and has been a dead man walking since.
I suppose as long as it's not mathematically over everything is possible but it really delusion on some special levels to think there is a chance to get 4th.
Hoping and believing is one thing. Thinking that the belief will suddenly improve us is what takes the cake!
I don't see we're walking anywhere
It's false hope, I don't see on what it could be based.
I have no idea what it is based on. I am just summarizing what one poster had said earlier.
Everton have been nowhere near as good as they were earlier in the season recently. I've watched them quite a bit and they've nicked goals and got a bit lucky at times whilst not playing that great. I think the fact that they're still winning has meant that nobody has really noticed this.