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If being a virgin at 22 makes one a serial killer, India's population would have been wiped out a long time ago.
If being a virgin at 22 makes one a serial killer, India's population would have been wiped out a long time ago.
Got me a giggle .Oh jeez, you guys got him going again...
Wonder if that care included drugs?If being a virgin at 22 makes one a serial killer, India's population would have been wiped out a long time ago.
There are a lot of reports on how their parents arranged for good psychological care for him and he was always seeing therapists. How in the hell did he manage to buy a gun in CA with the most strict laws regarding Gun Control? Watch the NRA spin this tragedy into a 'Gun control doesn't work, someone with a guy could have stopped him' nonsense.
I think he was very pretty, personally.Off topic but I think he was rather ugly. Whatever.
Hes no dzhokhar tsarnaev, thats for sure.I think he was very pretty, personally.
This is where the debate is at, right here...
Maybe he forms his views of the society seeing PornhubWell what about the kind of ingrained, entitled misogyny so many men are brought up on? Example:
"I bought you dinner...so you should give me sex."
Haa, I don't know, but he was seeing psychiatrists throughout his life and at the time of incident, was seeing two of them per day. Must have given him access to some drugsWonder if that care included drugs?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndromeThe hypothesis that individuals with AS are predisposed to violent or criminal behavior has been investigated, but is not supported by data.[1][29] More evidence suggests children with AS are victims rather than victimizers.[30]
You can't deny that Elliot Rodger was a deeply disturbed individual, but the things he said and his attitudes towards women would blend in without problem in many areas of the internet. He described himself as "the supreme gentlemen" yet women apparently were rejecting him. This is typical nice-guy rhetoric. He describes his clothes, his car, his social status, and his attractiveness in great detail, yet women are not attracted to him. He describes women not allowing him to have sex with him as a "crime" and an "injustice". Which is, again, typical of many areas of thought amongst young males. He has obviously responded to all of this in the most extreme way possible, but it is not uncommon for men to react aggressively when rejected, and you can observe as much by going to practically any nightclub in the world.Indeed Alex. Too often people get a whiff of mental illness and just write a serious occurrence up to it. There is a degree of cogency in thought to differentiate these crimes. Adam Lanza for example. Compare how lucid he was (or was not, as the case was, the lad was an absolute nutter and by all accounts acted incredibly awkwardly throughout his life, far more than Elliott) to Rodgers' much more normal, if still sociopathic and angry behaviour.
There are big societal issues at play in this, a serious, serious problem and I know a lot of people just like this Rodgers lad online.
Interesting thought. Echoed later on by:...I think he was gay and possibly had a hard time accepting it.
Probably trying too hard to get girls to like him so he wouldn't have to face his own personal issues.
...In any case, I'm pretty confident that at least part of this guys frustration was that he wasn't actually interested in girls. He was chasing the wrong gender. Even as big of a psycho as he was, I'm pretty sure if he had simply followed his true sexuality he would have had no problem getting laid.
Thought the same. Also thought his early, presumably high-society life in GB might have been a factor in seeding the ideas of sophisticated/refined etc. vs 'American brutes'.I'm guessing this guy was given everything by his rich dad and got a little confused by how relationships took a little effort.
Most human response in the thread so far.Incredibly, I felt a little - just a little - sorry for the kid there.
Depends. $15 dinner at some restaurant? Or $5000/platter wining and dining at a bigwig fundraiser. Because depending on the woman...Well what about the kind of ingrained, entitled misogyny so many men are brought up on? Example:
"I bought you dinner...so you should give me sex."
That was the weirdest thing for me. I only just watched that video a few hours ago and he honestly sounds and acts like a poorly scripted character. The phrases he uses and the way he says it sound more like films or videogames than like a real person would. The whole thing seems oddly scripted, even down to the way he looks at the camera and the way he laughsEven the way he speaks sounds badly scripted, like he thinks that's how people about to go on a killing spree are supposed to talk.
We have a video confession where he states he will go and kill women at a specific place because he hates them. He went to that place and killed women. It was born through misogyny.@Alex99
Rodgers's rage at his perceived injustice is rooted in his narcissism, he makes that quite clear. He can't understand why someone of his 'magnificence' is rejected in favour of what he perceives to be inferior males. His crass drawing even indicates that he believes the sexual revolution has precluded some males, including himself, altogether from a sexually active life. It is hardly tallies up with your claim that he murdered these women, oh wait, and men, simply because he felt entitled by a misogynistic culture to be sleeping with whatever woman he wanted
I am not disputing that misogyny can lead to violence against women from males that carry a sense of entitlement. With Rodgers I feel that you are looking at a different case.
Misogyny, in the form of men hating women because of problematic relationships with them, is something that I don't believe will ever be eradicated completely by a cultural narrative. The relationship dynamics that can lead to such a quandary are common. Women will always damage the egos of men by rejecting them. Women will always break men's hearts. When you have someone with the personality disorders of Rodgers, someone who has likely experienced certain traumatic events in childhood, then you have the perfect storm.
Interestingly there was a study from Glasgow university published a few days ago that found that 28% of mass and serial murderers were on the Autism spectrum. I haven't read it properly so I won't speculate on it.
He was a man in search of a personality, so it's little surprise if he lacked his own lines.That was the weirdest thing for me. I only just watched that video a few hours ago and he honestly sounds and acts like a poorly scripted character. The phrases he uses and the way he says it sound more like films or videogames than like a real person would. The whole thing seems oddly scripted, even down to the way he looks at the camera and the way he laughs
I'd imagine the strange laugh was a poor attempt at coming off as some sort of 'joker' type character. That was my impression anyway.That was the weirdest thing for me. I only just watched that video a few hours ago and he honestly sounds and acts like a poorly scripted character. The phrases he uses and the way he says it sound more like films or videogames than like a real person would. The whole thing seems oddly scripted, even down to the way he looks at the camera and the way he laughs
This nails it, however gun control is beyond argument. If he's disturbed, and if he doesn't get his hands on a gun, the casualties here could have been limited, IMHO.Unfortunately we've seen plenty of guys like this who take their frustrations with the world out on innocent people. I genuinely can't remember ever seeing someone so lacking in self awareness though, it really is remarkable.
The shallow view of the world based on looks and wealth, narcissistic self promotion, the bizzare hatred and objectification of women, obsession with status, manifestos through social media etc etc. If you have that particular liberal/feminist outlook then you can easily view this guy as a near perfect example of the corrosive influences of all the things you hate. If he was a character in a book or a film he'd be criticised for being a negative, crude and one dimensional symbol of modern masculinity. Even the way he speaks sounds badly scripted, like he thinks that's how people about to go on a killing spree are supposed to talk.
Thing is though, we're only getting a very shallow view of his character, mental issues and circumstances. It might be tempting for us to make arguments involving one or two specific factors (be it gun control, mental illness, misogyny or whatever else), and these arguments may indeed have merit in a broader societal sense, but we can't honestly say "Elliot Roger killed people because of X" as we really don't know.
The mind boggles, and California is supposed to have the strictest gun laws. The cops were called by the parents, and there were just so many red flags for this kid. Why didn't the fecking NSA catch it.How exactly did a kid with diagnosed mental disorders and who was seeing a shrink every day manage to get hold of a gun. America really need to sort it’s shit out, as that shouldn’t be possible. Yet it feels like it happens once a month these days.
This. Giving these people press coverage is only encouraging it to happen again.Should be more pics of the victims and less of the murderer in the press.
Do we know that he went out and bought one? Maybe he stole it from a friend or got one illegally.The mind boggles, and California is supposed to have the strictest gun laws. The cops were called by the parents, and there were just so many red flags for this kid. Why didn't the fecking NSA catch it.
No, legal guns registered to him.Do we know that he went out and bought one? Maybe he stole it from a friend or got one illegally.
Insanity.No, legal guns registered to him.