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Reus - Muller - DraxlerThere is NO WAY Draxler would start ahead of Müller and neither should Götze.
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Reus - Muller - DraxlerThere is NO WAY Draxler would start ahead of Müller and neither should Götze.
Funnily enough I actually enjoy Matthäus talking about football when he does not want to profile himself with some kind of stupid story. When he just analyzes things without an agenda he says some pretty sound things. Probably also one of my favourite co commentators.There's not a single German ex-football player who isn't totally brainwashed and clueless. Helmer, Strunz are just as stupid as Berthold, Matthäus, Kahn and Scholl. The rest are even worse.
You're a very very strange Dortmund supporter. Shouldn't there be a natural hatred towards Matthäus that can't be overcome?Funnily enough I actually enjoy Matthäus talking about football when he does not want to profile himself with some kind of stupid story. When he just analyzes things without an agenda he says some pretty sound things. Probably also one of my favourite co commentators.
For a man who led us to a world cup? Would love him if he would be a ex Dortmunder...(thinking of Sammer)You're a very very strange Dortmund supporter. Shouldn't there be a natural hatred towards Matthäus that can't be overcome?
I hate Matthäus despite being a Bayern fan while I actually respect Sammer a lot, always have, even before the Euro in '96.For a man who led us to a world cup? Would love him if he would be a ex Dortmunder...(thinking of Sammer)
Oh, I heavily dislike Matthäus as a person, but I still view him as a knowledgable bloke. I also really, very deeply dislike the sorry excuse of a captain that is Philipp Lahm, but damn is he a good football player. One of the best RBs I have ever seen and pretty good CM aswell. It was similar with Oliver Kahn, who I view to this date as the best German keeper I have ever seen live, but the moment he stepped in front of the camera I had the urge to punch the screen.You're a very very strange Dortmund supporter. Shouldn't there be a natural hatred towards Matthäus that can't be overcome?
Hate is always a bit strong for a footballer. Why do you hate him if I may ask? For me just a hero for 90 and the 90s overall.I hate Matthäus despite being a Bayern fan while I actually respect Sammer a lot, always have, even before the Euro in '96.
Lahm ain't that bad - just boring and somewhat colourless.Oh, I heavily dislike Matthäus as a person, but I still view him as a knowledgable bloke. I also really, very deeply dislike the sorry excuse of a captain that is Philipp Lahm, but damn is he a good football player. One of the best RBs I have ever seen and pretty good CM aswell. It was similar with Oliver Kahn, who I view to this date as the best German keeper I have ever seen live, but the moment he stepped in front of the camera I had the urge to punch the screen.
You talk about Boateng and don't understand why he gets so much praise and the resti think its hilarious that 99% of the posters on this thread are Germans writing to each other in english on an english message board .
Back to topic: I once was a Löw Supporter but he really seems to lose the grip in the last years.
Höwedes shouldnt be close to the NT in the first place. But as a LB? You gotta be kidding me. He is immobile (no not the Dortmund Striker) and slow as feck. He offers nothing when it comes to offense and crossing.
After seeing pretty much every game of Boateng in the NT i still dont know why this guy gets so much praise. I cant remember a single outstanding game from him. All i remember are sloppy efforts paired with mental mistakes. Hes also a sent-off waiting to happen in most games.
Özil shouldnt be close to the starting XI but he is Löws petcat so i expect him to start every game. I just hate the guys effort. He really seems to have no fight in him. He doenst bother to defend and is offense is shit since he joined Arsenal.
Khedira showed that he isnt match ready. With 40 degrees+ coming up in Brazil i dont think the guy will last.
Same probably goes for Schweinsteiger.
If Löw would stuck to his words (he never does it anyway) "we only use players that are completely fit and ready" then he has to start with Kramer/Kroos. Nevertheless i expect one of Khedira/Schweinsteiger or maybe both starting, you never know.
One can only hope that he leaves Lahm at RB. He is still the best in the world at this position and playing Großkreutz or Boateng there would be a nightmare.
You talk about Boateng and don't understand why he gets so much praise and the rest
Can I ask you what are your thoughts on Khedira?
What does Khedira actually do?
I was very worried on deadline day hearing rumours we made a last ditch bid to sign him for some stupid amount of money and very relieved that is turned out to be false
If I wanted a midfielder from Germany or from Real Madrid, Khedira would be last choice out of all of them
I came here because the Löw hatred on the german boards annoys me. Every little decision gets heavly criticised. Thought on here it would be a little bit more relaxed. Guess I was wrong.i think its hilarious that 99% of the posters on this thread are Germans writing to each other in english on an english message board .
Agree 100 percent, he is not a destroyer and I would never play Khedira as number 6 in front of the defence. He just hasn't the discipline to do that, you can't compare him with someone like Makelele. Khedira is just a little bit useless for me, he can do a little bit of this and a little bit of that, but nothing really good. Khedira in a RM dress just looks so wrong to meI still believe Khedira is the biggest midfield fraud of this decade. How did he trick so many into believing that he's actually good at defending . He's most of the time a headless chicken, but has enough energy to look like he's doing a lot, but is so often caught out of position that it's just sad. I will never understand why he got so much praise for his performances at the Euro 2012. Schweinsteiger got stick for complaining that he had to run so much to make up for the lack of defensive contribution around him, which was obviously true and clearly down to Khedira's lack of tactical discipline while Khedira was hailed as the new leader of the team because he fluked a goal against fecking Greece, but watched his team get overrun in midfield on the counter because he never is where a defensive midfielder should be.
Khedira is the epitome of what's wrong with Löw's team, it's beyond ridiculous. Hell, even Kroos tackles more than Khedira does.
Even at the worldcup in 2010, Schweinsteiger played the DM role with Khedira constantly making runs forward. The whole team was playing deeper and trying to attack on the counter, that's why it wasn't as big a problem as it is in the more possession based tactics now. Khedira usually played for Stuttgart at the tip of a 3 man midfield, he was always a poor man's Ballack and never a defensive midfielder, let alone a holding midfielder. He also had the same problems at Real.In all the criticism of Khedira I have to say, none of you have to bring up something really substancial against him. He made an box-to-box player in 2012, which he clearly isn't and so he was out of position sometimes, but it's not like that has always happened with him. In 2010 an in most of the games till 2012 he played a rocksolid DM. If he does what he can do best, he's one of the best of the world in his position. After all the criticism you give him one fact still stands: he's near 100 games fo Real Madrid, reigning CL-Champion, and was part of the first XI under Mourinho and Ancelotti. All in all, of you don't like Löw, these two should be consensously great at what they are doing.
As a 10, I would say. He delievered some very good games in this position this season and it was his position in his last season for Dortmund. Guardiola seems to think he's a CM though.Goetze flatters to decieve every time I see him, where is his best position? Anyone know?
Sorry, not everybody. I do not. Khedira has a mentality that team lacks without him. It is not always the guys that are technically the best. Khedira is the guy for the Tuesday nights at Stoke or ugly evenings in Austria. There has been a couple of matches in which the really needed somebody with his mentality and fight. He does not score often - but when he does it is an important goal as equalizer or winning goal.Ah, I think I belong in this thread. Finally a place that everyone agrees with me on how useless Khedira is.
The German Ramires, great at running but awful at playing football.
Or he simply doesn't have any room for him upfront at Bayern.As a 10, I would say. He delievered some very good games in this position this season and it was his position in his last season for Dortmund. Guardiola seems to think he's a CM though.
I thought his best matches were the ones in which he was only playing with Robben and Müller in attack - in different roles. I remember the Hamburg match, Moskow, Hertha and the first match against Dortmund in the league that were really fine in that formation.Goetze flatters to decieve every time I see him, where is his best position? Anyone know?
this "right mentality" crap again. If Khedira would have the right mentality, his defensive contribution would be better.Sorry, not everybody. I do not. Khedira has a mentality that team lacks without him. It is not always the guys that are technically the best. Khedira is the guy for the Tuesday nights at Stoke or ugly evenings in Austria. There has been a couple of matches in which the really needed somebody with his mentality and fight. He does not score often - but when he does it is an important goal as equalizer or winning goal.
You do not win a competition only with the muppets...- but Khedira has to get really fit and match practice to work well.
And yes, he is no sweeper. But maybe you always have to look at the pairing in central midfield and not only on his role alone. It is getting difficult when you e.g. pair him with a Kroos who even if he started to get more bite in his duels still has a lot problems on his way backwards. Kroos would need a sweeper behind him - and for Khedira probably a fit Schweinsteiger would be the ideal partner.
Yeah, he is past that position now. There some really rare cases like Lahm when something like this can work, but that's far from common.Having the "right mentality" for sure is no crap... It is more often the difference between winning and not winning... Youtube Vids and Fifa 14 just do not let you win real matches... Khedira does his job when he is fit - and even if we would give him different tasks he seems to work the way his coaches want him to play. Else he would not have been a starting player for Mourinho, Ancelotti and Löw...
And Hummels - Klopp will tell you that this does not work anymore - tried out at Dortmund and really failed. Hummels has built up his body for a defender job.
Protecting the centre backs, winning challenges and actual playing an DM if you are positioned as such also is often the difference between winning and not winning...Having the "right mentality" for sure is no crap... It is more often the difference between winning and not winning... Youtube Vids and Fifa 14 just do not let you win real matches... Khedira does his job when he is fit - and even if we would give him different tasks he seems to work the way his coaches want him to play. Else he would not have been a starting player for Mourinho, Ancelotti and Löw...
Probably not fair given he was injured most of the season. Do you have figures for last season?This is how 5 of the Real Madrid midfielders compare with each other this season
Creativity, tackling, passing and dribbling - 4 of the most important aspects for a midfielder
Creativity
Chances created per game
3.08 di Maria 109
2.94 Isco 86
1.82 Modric 73
0.94 Xabi Alonso 28
0.85 Khedira 13
Tackling
Number of successful tackles per game
2.25 Xabi Alonso 67/175
1.72 Modric 69/140
1.33 di Maria 47/129
1.20 Isco 35/105
0.85 Khedira 13/39
Passing
Number of accurate long passes per game
7.53 Xabi Alonso 224/292
7.20 Modric 289/328
4.29 di Maria 152/204
2.60 Isco 76/92
2.37 Khedira 36/41
Dribbling
Number of successful dribbles per game
3.04 Isco 89/155
1.94 Modric 78/111
1.89 di Maria 67/135
0.66 Khedira 10/16
0.07 Xabi Alonso 2/6
Number of minutes played in la Liga and Champions League this season
Modric 3612
di Maria 3187
Xabi Alsono 2677
Isco 2632
Khedira 1369
Whenever I compare players I always factor in how many minutes they have played to make the comparison fairProbably not fair given he was injured most of the season. Do you have figures for last season?
I hate comments like that. Why do you even write on a football forum with other fans, if you come up with the 'the managers knows it better anyway' attitude. No need to discuss anything then.And - his coaches must be so stupid because they let him play... Forum experts and statistics know better... wwait....
Not sure why you include long passes, but leave pass completion rate out (ball retention clearly is important for a CM). Interceptions should be in it as well, even more important than tackles.Minutes played = 2504
Chances created = 31
Tackles made = 70
Long passes = 37/61
Dribbling = 7
1.11 chances created per game
2.52 tackles per game
1.33 accurate long passes per game
0.25 dribbles per game
I leave out pass completion out because almost every midfielder and central defender has a pass completion of 80-90%, it does not show whether a player is good, average or bad at passingNot sure why you include long passes, but leave pass completion rate out (ball retention clearly is important for a CM). Interceptions should be in it as well, even more important than tackles.
But the number of short passes played describes the role and gives an impression what kind of player he is and therefore allows us to put the other stats in the right context. Makes no sense to leave it out.I leave out pass completion out because almost every midfielder and central defender has a pass completion of 80-90%, it does not show whether a player is good, average or bad at passing
Anyone can make 50 passes a game, the passes that are important are long passes, chances created, crosses and through balls
Khedira 86% pass completion, like hundreds of other players around Europe
Cleverley 89%