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Kagawa was much more positive in this game than he was against Japan. Japan, as a whole, were also more aggressive and positive in their approach in this match with Kagawa being one of their key attacking players alongside Okubo, Hasebe, and the full backs.

He could have had at least 1 goal had he kept his cool. He had one excellent chance to score against Ospina but fluffed it completely. Other than that, though, he was more positive in his game and helped Japan play their slick pass-and-move football that they never played until this match.
 

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I wanted all of our players to do well at the WC, but that's another one back in time for preseason now :)
 

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Kagawa was much more positive in this game than he was against Japan. Japan, as a whole, were also more aggressive and positive in their approach in this match with Kagawa being one of their key attacking players alongside Okubo, Hasebe, and the full backs.

He could have had at least 1 goal had he kept his cool. He had one excellent chance to score against Ospina but fluffed it completely. Other than that, though, he was more positive in his game and helped Japan play their slick pass-and-move football that they never played until this match.
Really? He played okay at max, that was it. He wasnt there main man and he really should have scored at the end. His reaction at being subbed summed up his game. Poor.
 

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Kagawa was much more positive in this game than he was against Japan. Japan, as a whole, were also more aggressive and positive in their approach in this match with Kagawa being one of their key attacking players alongside Okubo, Hasebe, and the full backs.

He could have had at least 1 goal had he kept his cool. He had one excellent chance to score against Ospina but fluffed it completely. Other than that, though, he was more positive in his game and helped Japan play their slick pass-and-move football that they never played until this match.
But they lost 4-1
 

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Really? He played okay at max, that was it. He wasnt there main man and he really should have scored at the end. His reaction at being subbed summed up his game. Poor.
He did miss some nice goalscoring opportunities, but other than that, he was good. He took up better, more positive positions than before. He was taking on players and showing confidence in his game. He contributed to many of Japan's chances created and kept Colombia on the back foot.

But they lost 4-1
Of course they lost 4-1. They created more chances than Colombia did and pushed numbers up, which created lots of space for Colombia to exploit. Japan missed lots of chances, and Kagawa's guilty of this as well.
 
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Thought he had a fairly good game. A solid 6/10.
How would you rate the others on the pitch? I thought Kagawa had a 7/10 game, I thought that was on the harder side as I really dislike when he loses the ball as I think it is part of the game he should excel in.

Directly part in 10 shots, when was the last time any United player was directly involved in 10 shots by themselves/or direct passes which lead to shots? I thought he learnt his lesson and was a lot more direct and trying to take the game by the scruff instead of letting others find the final balls.
 

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Care to actually post the same passing pics from his first two games which i was referring to.
Typical kagawa-agenda, and these people accuse other of distorting facts:annoyed:
Nah, I just think you're an idiot for posting that during a game in which he's doing great. Typical hate blinders. You're kind is boring. But it's fun to hate a United players, so keep on keeping on.
 

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Nah, I just think you're an idiot for posting that during a game in which he's doing great. Typical hate blinders. You're kind is boring. But it's fun to hate a United players, so keep on keeping on.
My post was posted on Monday, 23-d, two days ago. Kagawa-fans:lol:
 

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My post was posted on Monday, 23-d, two days ago. Kagawa-fans:lol:
Oh, whoops. Hard to tell with your Kagawa rage spewing all over the thread.

You are correct that I'm a fan. I'm a fan of most our players. Don't spend hours shitting on them.
 

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Oh, whoops. Hard to tell with your Kagawa rage spewing all over the thread.

You are correct that I'm a fan. I'm a fan of most our players. Don't spend hours shitting on them.
No you spend hours on idiotic badgering other users. And trying to fit facts to some sort of pitiful agenda that has little, if anything, to do with being a fan.
A real fan, not a zealot, would not be above criticizing a player, or expressing concern about them, dissatisfaction etc.
 

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As for game that just finished with Colombia. That was Kagawa's best and the only decent WC performance. First of all, opponent did not need anything from this game at all, they played with some reserves even gave their veteran keeper a couple of minutes, so he can set the new record by being the oldest player at WC. That really tells you how they view this game. Yet Japan was thoroughly beaten. At 1-1, Japan needed a win but always looked second best. When Colombia scored again they give a ball to japanese, who managed to create only a couple of half-assed opportunities, before Colombia hit them on the breaks hard. Colombians were terrific, Japan team were a team who tried to play at least better than before and succeeded in that, but still you can see they just out of depth at this level. Simply not good enough.
Why am i talking about a WC game in Kagawa thread? Because for me Kagawa's performance today clearly and absolutely mirrors that of a Japan team. To a "T". He was not Japan's best player on the pitch either, i think Honda did much better. He had much less pass acc, but he tried to open up things more, tried to be more dangerous.
But Kagawa's display was much improved and stats show it. He created only two chance in his first two games (one as a sub), but he created 4 in this game, he also shot 6 times, while he did not manage a single shot in the first two games. So he was trying something. The question is how well. While not being such an pathetically anonymous figure(2 chances, 0 shots, come on...:boring:) as he was in his first games, he still was short on actually quality. His passing was solid but mainly because it was usually risk-free, for example Kagawa did not manage to find teammate with his crosses and he played a long ball once in a whole game. So much for Xaviesque of passing, that guy surely has range of his passing as well. Kagawa had a lot of chances himself, but he never really tested the opponents, most of his shots were fairly wide of the target, even from penalty are, when he just spoiled a great chance, created for him by Hasebe with a great ball in.
And that sums it up as well. He had desire, diligence and should be applauded for courage and determination to do something after his disappointing performances. But ultimately he just lacked any real skill as a attacking midfielder. There is no better way to see it, than comparing him with James Rodriguez. I really wish we would got him. We were interested as well. This guy is fantastic. He came on in the start of the second half with the score tied at one each. And what did he do? What did he do? Two assists and a goal. He was directly involved in all of his team's goals in second half. That's a real great game, that's a real skill, talent. That is exactly what a skillful attacking midfielder should do. If Kagawa had even half as good game as this fella i would be the first for giving him all sort of chances next year. But ultimately he just was way to ordinary. I mean lets look how he actually created his chances (via squawka):


It's not penetrating passes, it not well crafted ones either. They just sort of ordinary passes after which player have shot. The one in the box, it was to Nagamoto, again to a great situation to score, not a really dangerous chance as well. A hopeful shot from a LB more like. Now strangely enough squawka only counted 3 chances. But i love Kagawa so much and so not distorting any facts, that i actually double checked with whoscored. :lol: And i've found the chance they missed, but that was actually a decent one, that was a real penetrating pass into the box(pass to Nagamoto was in the box only formally, i was more of a short back pass from Kagawa) to Yoshida.


But that's it. And now look how James R. did:

That tells you a story.

Until Kagawa manages to influence games in a similar fashion, scoring and making these bold forward, penetrating passes he will not succeed at United. Or won't be a leader of Japan team for that matter.
 

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You should probably stop watching football.
Ah yes, the arrogance of someone who believes that everyone should agree with his views on the game. I should indeed, or perhaps I should just watch games through your eyes so that from now on I am absolutely correct about everything, like yourself.
 

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Such a daft statement. Did you watch the game? 6 shots, 4 key passes(passes which lead directly to chances to shoot), ridiculous Xavi- levle passing percentage, highest amount of tackles(more than the defenders), 4 crosses/long balls.

He lost the ball often, which was his only negative of the day.

Lucky we don't have to see these brainless posts in the "currently cool" players threads as well.
Xavi level passing percentage is very easy when most of your balls go 5 yards, which has been Shinji's modus operandi since he came to United. He has technique just no balls to open it up and try things. The crosses and long balls that you mention mustn't be displayed on the graph above.

I love how you classify my post as brainless. If I thought so highly of my own opinion, I would classify any post that likens Shinji Kagawa to one of the greatest midfield players to ever play the game as brainless. However, each to their own opinion I feel, so I won't say that.

I think it's great that Shinji according to his fans was absolutely outstanding in a game that meant absolutely nothing to his opposition in the world cup, a team made up of 2nd choice players, in a match that this outstanding playmaker dragged his team to a glorious 4-1 loss. He's a mighty man, our Shinji.
 

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As for game that just finished with Colombia. That was Kagawa's best and the only decent WC performance. First of all, opponent did not need anything from this game at all, they played with some reserves even gave their veteran keeper a couple of minutes, so he can set the new record by being the oldest player at WC. That really tells you how they view this game. Yet Japan was thoroughly beaten. At 1-1, Japan needed a win but always looked second best. When Colombia scored again they give a ball to japanese, who managed to create only a couple of half-assed opportunities, before Colombia hit them on the breaks hard. Colombians were terrific, Japan team were a team who tried to play at least better than before and succeeded in that, but still you can see they just out of depth at this level. Simply not good enough.
Why am i talking about a WC game in Kagawa thread? Because for me Kagawa's performance today clearly and absolutely mirrors that of a Japan team. To a "T". He was not Japan's best player on the pitch either, i think Honda did much better. He had much less pass acc, but he tried to open up things more, tried to be more dangerous.
But Kagawa's display was much improved and stats show it. He created only two chance in his first two games (one as a sub), but he created 4 in this game, he also shot 6 times, while he did not manage a single shot in the first two games. So he was trying something. The question is how well. While not being such an pathetically anonymous figure(2 chances, 0 shots, come on...:boring:) as he was in his first games, he still was short on actually quality. His passing was solid but mainly because it was usually risk-free, for example Kagawa did not manage to find teammate with his crosses and he played a long ball once in a whole game. So much for Xaviesque of passing, that guy surely has range of his passing as well. Kagawa had a lot of chances himself, but he never really tested the opponents, most of his shots were fairly wide of the target, even from penalty are, when he just spoiled a great chance, created for him by Hasebe with a great ball in.
And that sums it up as well. He had desire, diligence and should be applauded for courage and determination to do something after his disappointing performances. But ultimately he just lacked any real skill as a attacking midfielder. There is no better way to see it, than comparing him with James Rodriguez. I really wish we would got him. We were interested as well. This guy is fantastic. He came on in the start of the second half with the score tied at one each. And what did he do? What did he do? Two assists and a goal. He was directly involved in all of his team's goals in second half. That's a real great game, that's a real skill, talent. That is exactly what a skillful attacking midfielder should do. If Kagawa had even half as good game as this fella i would be the first for giving him all sort of chances next year. But ultimately he just was way to ordinary. I mean lets look how he actually created his chances (via squawka):


It's not penetrating passes, it not well crafted ones either. They just sort of ordinary passes after which player have shot. The one in the box, it was to Nagamoto, again to a great situation to score, not a really dangerous chance as well. A hopeful shot from a LB more like. Now strangely enough squawka only counted 3 chances. But i love Kagawa so much and so not distorting any facts, that i actually double checked with whoscored. :lol: And i've found the chance they missed, but that was actually a decent one, that was a real penetrating pass into the box(pass to Nagamoto was in the box only formally, i was more of a short back pass from Kagawa) to Yoshida.


But that's it. And now look how James R. did:

That tells you a story.

Until Kagawa manages to influence games in a similar fashion, scoring and making these bold forward, penetrating passes he will not succeed at United. Or won't be a leader of Japan team for that matter.
James is indeed a great player. He can plays in the wing and no 10 role equally great. He has pace and killing ball. We should had sign him damn.
And as for Kagawa, his playing style hasn't been effective at all. I will leave it to LVG. I don't even know what to do with Kagawa, Mata and Rooney in the team and they are trying to fight for a same position because that's where they wanted to play. Obviously RVP gets the striker spot.
 

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Xavi level passing percentage is very easy when most of your balls go 5 yards, which has been Shinji's modus operandi since he came to United. He has technique just no balls to open it up and try things. The crosses and long balls that you mention mustn't be displayed on the graph above.
That's what makes him different from other attacking midfielders and what prevents him from making an individual impact. His style and technique may improve the team, but unless he becomes more daring, he himself cannot become an influential figure for any team except one that needs more cohesion and another threat in an already dangerous arsenal.
 

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When I think of the extremely awful World Cup his country just had (as shown by the dejected look he had on his face when he was subbed), I'm getting really worried. I hope Van Gaal has a trick left in his bag to make some magic on Shinji, get his confidence back and have him back to his best.
 

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When I think of the extremely awful World Cup his country just had (as shown by the dejected look he had on his face when he was subbed), I'm getting really worried. I hope Van Gaal has a trick left in his bag to make some magic on Shinji, get his confidence back and have him back to his best.
I think it's in Kagawa's best interest to move to a new club. Yes, certain things haven't gone his way, for instance, of ferguson stayed, he might have sold Rooney and played Kagawa in his number 10 position behind Van Persie, but that didn't happen. Sometimes things don't work out.
 

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Thought he was pretty good today. Hugely disappointing World Cup for him in general, though. Anyway, his United future should rest on his United performances, not his Japan performances. I've been a huge fan since his Dortmund days and I'm not giving up on him yet. Hope LVG isn't either.
We think alike! I would be very happy to see him performe the way he should ("Dortmund Kagawa"). But again, if he would fall through this season as well I would prefer, for his own sake that he could be sold and become a key player in another club. It's all up to LVG and how he would fit into the team and of course a great many factors need to be right.
 

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I think too many excuses have been made for him, but I still think he should be given a chance under Van Gaal.
We all usually see him as 'tidy' and, for me, that's half the problem.

At Dortmund he wasn't as tidy, he was scrappier, his passes were less precise, he'd give the ball away more. But that was what made him what he was. His Dortmund team-mates were on the same wave length, and would expect the flicks and dinks even if they weren't the most precise passes of all time. And they'd give him the same. His incredible movement coupled with his (and many of his team-mates') willingness to try almost every pass no matter how tricky made him ridiculously hard to handle.

He's now playing with players who mostly don't play with anything like the confidence on the ball as his old Dortmund team-mates. No centre midfielders who want the ball given to them at anything other than a standard pass, no centre defenders willing to chip a ball towards him, few people willing to try give-and-goes.
And as a result everything he's done has been completely measured. It's just slow and predictable.

The expected signing of Herrera is a start, he has a similar mentality. He's not afraid to give people the ball quickly and sharply and receive it in the same way. He isn't afraid to risk losing the ball trying something a bit different. And the new manager will almost certainly look to have us playing with more freedom. So Kagawa could be one who really really benefits if things click.

If he still doesn't, then even his biggest fans may have to admit it's not necessarily United's fault.
 
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Our first interaction was when you were pointing out how vital he was in a move we scored. So were others. Plenty of other players do similar things and are ignored. Kagawa gets leniency because he is a more "technical" player so people look for his good points whereas more "powerful" players like Rooney get shit. People in this thread have expressed the opinion they'd get rid of Rooney to play Kagawa more. That's utterly bizzare.
There are also those who imply Young is better than Kagawa in this thread, that's even more bizzare!!

He was vital in a move where we scored but do you remember why? Because of his movement toward the ball and so continual offering for the short pass, that's what we've lacked all season.

Either you are like me and accept he was vital to that goal since had he not offered the option for the short pass we would have inevitably gone long.

Or you are like you and accept Manchester United do not need players that have a lot of off the ball motion. Your idea of a Manchester United probably is more static than mine, that's your opinion, even Zombies can be football fans.
 

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Hopefully this thread will be much more balanced by Christmas time. He'll have had his chance to impress Van Gaal in training and if he does well also in games. His style on paper should also suit Van Gaal's historic style of play. His biggest fans will not have any defence if as I suspect he becomes a bench warmer under our new manager. Likewise people critical of his underwhelming contributions will be delighted if he turns a corner and becomes the player some think he has the potential to be.

One thing is for sure though: If he doesn't perform well or doesn't impress enough in training to get minutes on the pitch, he will have no more chances left before being shipped out.
 

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Hopefully this thread will be much more balanced by Christmas time. He'll have had his chance to impress Van Gaal in training and if he does well also in games. His style on paper should also suit Van Gaal's historic style of play. His biggest fans will not have any defence if as I suspect he becomes a bench warmer under our new manager. Likewise people critical of his underwhelming contributions will be delighted if he turns a corner and becomes the player some think he has the potential to be.

One thing is for sure though: If he doesn't perform well or doesn't impress enough in training to get minutes on the pitch, he will have no more chances left before being shipped out.
You're right in saying there'll be a time ( provided he starts the season at united) where if he's not cutting the mustard, he'll be off, and his staunchest supporters could have no complaints.
 

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His biggest fans will not have any defence if as I suspect he becomes a bench warmer under our new manager.
I both agree and disagree.

I agree in the sense that Kagawa should fit Van Gaal's system and that this should be Kagawa's last chance in United. I do however disagree that Kagawa would have become a failure for us regardless. For all we know, Moyes really fecked up Kagawa's mental progression, and it might take many years to recover from that. But we don't have many years to spare, and for all we know, Kagawa might anyways need a change of environment in order to recover. If he suddenly becomes brilliant again for his next club, then we know that this was the case all along.

But whatever happens: next season is Kagawa's chance to shine! He fits Van Gaal's philosophies, he has the best stamina in the team, he runs the most during games, and according to Rio he's the best player in training. If he can't get playtime now, then he clearly needs to leave.
 
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But whatever happens: next season is Kagawa's chance to shine! He fits Van Gaal's philosophies, he has the best stamina in the team, he runs the most, and according to Rio he's the best player in training. If he can't get playtime now, then he clearly needs to leave.
Agreed.
 

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I both agree and disagree.

I agree in the sense that Kagawa should fit Van Gaal's system and that this should be Kagawa's last chance in United. I do however disagree that Kagawa would have become a failure for us regardless. For all we know, Moyes really fecked up Kagawa's mental progression, and it might take many years to recover from that. But we don't have many years to spare, and for all we know, Kagawa might anyways need a change of environment in order to recover. If he suddenly becomes brilliant again for his next club, then we know that this was the case all along.

But whatever happens: next season is Kagawa's chance to shine! He fits Van Gaal's philosophies, he has the best stamina in the team, he runs the most during games, and according to Rio he's the best player in training. If he can't get playtime now, then he clearly needs to leave.
I am liking the idea of having Kagawa in a LCM role, it would be a really slight change compared to LM role defensively which he does brilliantly and especially if we rely on pressing he will be a lot more comfortable. All of Kagawa-Herrera-Mata are used to the high press as well so even if they have to improve their tackling and intensity, the other players who are CM's has an even longer route to walk as they have to learn the entire idea of a pressing game.

Most our current CM's were brought here for their ability to play our passive defense, which we utilized under Fergie most often as well the last couple of years. Would be lovely if it worked defensively, but I can see them run their socks off to make it extremely difficult for the opponents due to the press.
 

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I both agree and disagree.

I agree in the sense that Kagawa should fit Van Gaal's system and that this should be Kagawa's last chance in United. I do however disagree that Kagawa would have become a failure for us regardless. For all we know, Moyes really fecked up Kagawa's mental progression, and it might take many years to recover from that. But we don't have many years to spare, and for all we know, Kagawa might anyways need a change of environment in order to recover. If he suddenly becomes brilliant again for his next club, then we know that this was the case all along.

But whatever happens: next season is Kagawa's chance to shine! He fits Van Gaal's philosophies, he has the best stamina in the team, he runs the most during games, and according to Rio he's the best player in training. If he can't get playtime now, then he clearly needs to leave.
If Kagawa is mentally weak enough to be "fecked up" by being a squad player for a year under a poor manager then he isn't a player that deserves to play for a top team. Top class player's work harder and force their way into a managers plans, not let their head drop and become mentally defeated.

If he can't perform under Van Gaal it will almost certainly condemn him to second or third tier clubs for the rest of his career, as most top teams won't gamble on someone who can't handle performing for one of the biggest teams in the world.
 

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I both agree and disagree.

I agree in the sense that Kagawa should fit Van Gaal's system and that this should be Kagawa's last chance in United. I do however disagree that Kagawa would have become a failure for us regardless. For all we know, Moyes really fecked up Kagawa's mental progression, and it might take many years to recover from that. But we don't have many years to spare, and for all we know, Kagawa might anyways need a change of environment in order to recover. If he suddenly becomes brilliant again for his next club, then we know that this was the case all along.

But whatever happens: next season is Kagawa's chance to shine! He fits Van Gaal's philosophies, he has the best stamina in the team, he runs the most during games, and according to Rio he's the best player in training. If he can't get playtime now, then he clearly needs to leave.
So you don't think he'd be a failure if he was to leave here, and go on and be good somewhere else? Of course he'd have been a failure here in that case! Forlan was a failure here.
 

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If he can't perform under Van Gaal it will almost certainly condemn him to second or third tier clubs for the rest of his career, as most top teams won't gamble on someone who can't handle performing for one of the biggest teams in the world.
He could handle playing for the best team in Germany(at that time) though...

And keep in mind that Kagawa only is 25. Being a player who relies heavily on quickness of thought and first touch, he might still be 5-6 years away from his prime. If a club like Schalke or Roma signs him and he suddenly becomes a world beater again, then chances are the biggest clubs will reach out their checkbooks. Real Madrid actually wanted to sign Kagawa, but he chose us mainly because he was guaranteed playtime. Mourinho couldn't guarantee the same thing.
 

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So you don't think he'd be a failure if he was to leave here, and go on and be good somewhere else? Of course he'd have been a failure here in that case! Forlan was a failure here.
What are you even talking about?

Yes, he'd be a failure in United, but not as a footballer overall. And even if he becomes a failure for us, we can't know for sure what would have happened if Moyes never came and ruined his progression as a player. You can call him mentally weak, but he's a player who's never met any obstacles up until Moyes. He's been a prodigy his whole life, so Moyes must have been an absolute nightmare for him. It can very well be the case that he needs a couple of seasons to get his flow back. Perhaps even a club change is necessary.
 

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What are you even talking about?

Yes, he'd be a failure in United, but not as a footballer overall. And even if he becomes a failure for us, we can't know for sure what would have happened if Moyes never came and ruined his progression as a player. You can call him mentally weak, but he's a player who's never met any obstacles up until Moyes. He's been a prodigy his whole life, so Moyes must have been an absolute nightmare for him. It can very well be the case that he needs a couple of seasons to get his flow back. Perhaps even a club change is necessary.
Um, what I'm "even talking about" is that you stated above the following: I do however disagree that Kagawa would have become a failure for us regardless.

And now you're saying he would be a failure in United. So which is it?

I'm not saying he'd be a failure overall, obviously. Just with United, which, you previously claimed he wouldn't. Unless I'm misinterpreting what you wrote there ... and apologies if I am, text / email type stuff can get misinterpreted.
 

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I do however disagree that Kagawa would have become a failure for us regardless.
This means that even if Kagawa fails under Van Gaal, I don't think that it means that he was doomed to fail at United from the very beginning. I then elaborate by saying that things could have been very different if Moyes never came. It might take more than a season for Kagawa to get back on his feet now. Maybe he's not even able to do it at our club, and needs to move on. A new environment would do him good.

But this is all just a lot of guessing at this stage. Let's wait and see how he performs under Van Gaal.
 

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This means that even if Kagawa fails under Van Gaal, I don't think that it means that he was doomed to fail at United from the very beginning. I then elaborate by saying that things could have been very different if Moyes never came. It might take more than a season for Kagawa to get back on his feet now. Maybe he's not even able to do it at our club, and needs to move on. A new environment would do him good.

But this is all just a lot of guessing at this stage. Let's wait and see how he performs under Van Gaal.
Ah, ok. I get ya. So he'd have been a failure .. but you think more down to circumstance rather than him not having the mentality etc.

Yeah, hopefully Louis gets it out of him. That'd be the ideal, be one less player we need.
 

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He could handle playing for the best team in Germany(at that time) though...

And keep in mind that Kagawa only is 25. Being a player who relies heavily on quickness of thought and first touch, he might still be 5-6 years away from his prime. If a club like Schalke or Roma signs him and he suddenly becomes a world beater again, then chances are the biggest clubs will reach out their checkbooks. Real Madrid actually wanted to sign Kagawa, but he chose us mainly because he was guaranteed playtime. Mourinho couldn't guarantee the same thing.
I think it takes a different kind of mentality to play for an underdog who are on a bit of a good run (BVB), rather than a top team. That's why Chelsea are gambling on the likes of Diego Costa. He isn't guaranteed to make the transition because he's rarely felt the pressure of being expected to win trophies for his team, having to be the person everyone looks to when you're losing or having to perform under intense pressure (until this World Cup where he's flopped). Kagawa is the same in that sense, the first club he's been at where he has to make a difference far more often than not or face being dropped, he has failed thus far.

The same was the case for Berbatov at Spurs. It's much easier being a big fish in a small pond, rather than just another cog in a much bigger machine. It's why player's like Ronaldo are so special, they have the mental discipline to handle all the above pressure and actually thrive off it.
 

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I think it takes a different kind of mentality to play for an underdog who are on a bit of a good run (BVB), rather than a top team. That's why Chelsea are gambling on the likes of Diego Costa. He isn't guaranteed to make the transition because he's rarely felt the pressure of being expected to win trophies for his team, having to be the person everyone looks to when you're losing or having to perform under intense pressure (until this World Cup where he's flopped). Kagawa is the same in that sense, the first club he's been at where he has to make a difference far more often than not or face being dropped, he has failed thus far.

The same was the case for Berbatov at Spurs. It's much easier being a big fish in a small pond, rather than just another cog in a much bigger machine. It's why player's like Ronaldo are so special, they have the mental discipline to handle all the above pressure and actually thrive off it.
You can probably file Fellaini in that same category.

They're all just one of many footballers that struggle with being a big fish in a fecking massive pond.
 
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