fecking hate football sometimes.
Danny Welbeck | Manchester United: 2001-2014
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Likewise. The perfect scenario is us being able to sign Falcao, but Arsenal not being able to sign Welbeck. Then Welbeck (not feeling aggrieved because United visibly tried to let him leave), goes on to prove his worth at United while Arsenal are striker-less for the foreseeable future.
Plus, even if LVG wants to go with Rooney and van Persie, both have missed several matches last season and RVP has battle injury problems his entire career. I also don't believe in the durability of Falcao after the injury he's suffered. There would've been plenty of time left for Welbeck. If he doesn't pan out, we'll do what we now have to do either way, which is bring in a new class striker in a couple of years. He's still only 23 years old and has always shown that he can be a good player. It's not like he's taking the playing time anyway from some other young prodigy.
In a way I'm happy for him because I can see the move helping him on the way to fulfilling all of the promise he has shown us. He's just never going to get that chance here and I think Arsenals style will suit him well.
As a business deal for United I think it's fecking awful. Letting a major rival have a striker when they are desperate on the last day for £16 million? Nowhere near enough for the damage it could do. Arsenal probably would have struggled without a striker for a while. Plus they seemed to block the Vermaelen deal.
Sad to see him go but I do kind of feel it's for the best. Just wish it was to a foreign club but selfishness aside there probably aren't many clubs better than Arsenal for him. Think we are doing Danny a favour perhaps more than anything.
As a business deal for United I think it's fecking awful. Letting a major rival have a striker when they are desperate on the last day for £16 million? Nowhere near enough for the damage it could do. Arsenal probably would have struggled without a striker for a while. Plus they seemed to block the Vermaelen deal.
Sad to see him go but I do kind of feel it's for the best. Just wish it was to a foreign club but selfishness aside there probably aren't many clubs better than Arsenal for him. Think we are doing Danny a favour perhaps more than anything.
Even if Welbeck deal fails and Falcao deal also fails then we are still doing a great job to keep Falcao at Monaco and making Arsenal stick with Sanogo.
Fully agree. The worst case scenario was Falcao landing at Arsenal.
I'm hearing he failed his medical...
Apparently this has only happened as Falcao has gone to you guys. If not we were not going to sign any striker so you really have given us a get out of jail card.
In a weird way I think Arsene must have thought he hit the jackpot with this. Wellbeck imo is very close to the sort of forward he's been looking at for a long time. Has the physical presence and will hold the ball up, has very good link up play, decent in the air and the thing that excites me the most is he has got good pace. The amount of time Cazorla and in particular Ozil looks for that through ball and doesn't see a runner has really infuriated them and he'll help with this.
I really think he'll do well here. Don't get me wrong wasn't my first choice but I have always rated him and don't get those that say he won't score many goals. I mean you guys no more then me but has he not been quite prolific when playing through the middle as opposed to the wings? Also Giroud is not at all prolific yet has scored 40 goals for us in 2 seasons and in all honestly should have been about 60. Wellbeck is going to have three months to pretty much being the main striker, which I'm sure will give him confidence.
Quite like the fact we have a good contingency of English lads now, providing it goes through - Wellbeck, Chamberlain, Wilshere, Walcott, Gibbs and Chambers which can only be a good thing!
Also fittingly it looks like his debut will be against Man City!
In a weird way I think Arsene must have thought he hit the jackpot with this. Wellbeck imo is very close to the sort of forward he's been looking at for a long time. Has the physical presence and will hold the ball up, has very good link up play, decent in the air and the thing that excites me the most is he has got good pace. The amount of time Cazorla and in particular Ozil looks for that through ball and doesn't see a runner has really infuriated them and he'll help with this.
I really think he'll do well here. Don't get me wrong wasn't my first choice but I have always rated him and don't get those that say he won't score many goals. I mean you guys no more then me but has he not been quite prolific when playing through the middle as opposed to the wings? Also Giroud is not at all prolific yet has scored 40 goals for us in 2 seasons and in all honestly should have been about 60. Wellbeck is going to have three months to pretty much being the main striker, which I'm sure will give him confidence.
Quite like the fact we have a good contingency of English lads now, providing it goes through - Wellbeck, Chamberlain, Wilshere, Walcott, Gibbs and Chambers which can only be a good thing!
Also fittingly it looks like his debut will be against Man City!
Still can't get over this fee, yet another absolute joke.
I doubt they have enough time to do Falcao deal now.
He's a cracking player and will fit right into the young side Arsenal are building there. Enjoy
I wasn't suggesting they were. I meant that the worst case scenario, for example at the start of the day, would have been Arsenal landing Falcao.
I'd still love to see us sign Falcao and screw over Arsenal at the last minute by changing our mind on Welbeck.
Not just that, he wins the ball high up the pitch, and can occupy two defenders that are trying to play out.
You got a real bargain, and it has taken a bit of the shine off our window, for me.
Thats like saying from 5 piles of shit, this one smelled the best.
Exactly! Can't believe we're not going to do that.. I thought we were in luck when Giruoud got injured, then we go ahead and give arsenal a helping hand here
Can't make it up!I'm apoplectic that he's going. I just can't fathom why. I thought LVG judged on the basis of performance ahead of reputation? Giving the captaincy to Rooney, shoehorning him, RVP and Mata in the same side when it has shown it doesn't work in the past just says opposite.
Every single time Welbeck has seen time on the pitch, we have instantly looked a more cohesive unit. Is LVG blind? (pardon the pun) The least he deserved was a 3rd striker spot with us, and then push for a starting spot once RVP was phased out, which isn't going to be long judging by his injury record. What the flying feck are we going to do in 3 years time when Rooney continues his decline, RVP winds down as well as possibly Falcao too? Such stupid short sightedness, which has been symptomatic of the club's conduct during the whole of this transfer window IMO... Absolutely fecking fuming.
Every single time Welbeck has seen time on the pitch, we have instantly looked a more cohesive unit. Is LVG blind? (pardon the pun) The least he deserved was a 3rd striker spot with us, and then push for a starting spot once RVP was phased out, which isn't going to be long judging by his injury record. What the flying feck are we going to do in 3 years time when Rooney continues his decline, RVP winds down as well as possibly Falcao too? Such stupid short sightedness, which has been symptomatic of the club's conduct during the whole of this transfer window IMO... Absolutely fecking fuming.
This would be perfect. I still hate the idea of strengthening a rival team.
That's the one thing I don't understand either. Welbeck has been decent under van Gaal and neither Roone nor RVP have had a good BPL game so far. I understand they both need time, but they're getting old and are injury prone.
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Just heard we've submitted a £50M bid for Welbeck after Falcao's medical failed
Short sightedness indeed! I've been saying this as well. LVG is only looking out for his time here and I expect him to retire from management when his contract is over. He wants to go out in a blaze of glory like Fergie did when he signed RVP and brought back Scholes the season before. In 2 seasons we'll need to sign a striker that won't come cheap.
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I'd actually take the Falcao deal falling through if it meant Welbeck stayed.
Look at the last 2 seasons. Football is about putting the ball in the next. Danny does everything but that consistently. RVP and Rooney are proven goal scorers and so is Falcao.
Exactly. And the thing is, I don't see anyone even on the horizon in that regard. Lukaku? Benteke? Possibly the only ones who look anywhere near the requisite quality, but not exactly the type to strike fear in the opposition. fecking ridiculous.
Cleverly, Anderson and Anderson are still here. Very sad day...
All Welbeck needed was a run to work out the kinks in his game. That will happen at least until January now. He's the perfect player for them in every way.
Sure, but Welbeck has been excellent at pressuring teams early and working his way back to get balls and get us moving forward. He also offers a different dimension compared to RVP, Rooney and Falcao with his pace. Given that he's only 23, there's no reason not to believe that he can become a solid goal scorer as well.
I'm not arguing whether he should be played over RVP or Rooney anyways. I'm just pointing out that as a 3rd/4th striker, he's more than solid enough and we could really use him given how injury prone both RVP and Rooney are.
Welbeck has just lacked goals, his all around game is superb. Just watch his reputation skyrocket at Arsenal, Wenger will get the best out of him and he will suit their system.
Well Welbeck is not the end of the world. The guy was pretty much useless to be honest. Whatever he did on the pitch rarely amounted in a goal. All hype because he's local. Happy he can go prove himself elsewhere.
Its such a silly deal. Hoping it fails, is just a loan, or we have a buy back clause.
We are only signing Falcao on loan due to uncertainties with his knee. Rooney is going down hill and RVP the same.
We are only signing Falcao on loan due to uncertainties with his knee. Rooney is going down hill and RVP the same.
Joe Hart has reflected on the mood of the England camp when it is filled with plenty of United and City players. Hart insists the players are respectful of each other, but that Danny Welbeck being a massive United fans makes it impossible to say much without him reacting.
“We all get on very well when we meet up,” he said.“You have to be very respectful about the touchy subjects because players have passion and love for their club. I’m the same for my club and so we are never disrespectful. We spoke with them about winning the League [last season] and it was open and respectful and a very good vibe. Danny Welbeck is the worst to crack because he is a mad, mad, mad Manchester United fan. I joke that he can hate me at United but we have to be friends with England. He lives on my road actually and we have some good banter but it is always professional.”
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/hart-welbeck-is-a-mad-mad-mad-united-fan/
“We all get on very well when we meet up,” he said.“You have to be very respectful about the touchy subjects because players have passion and love for their club. I’m the same for my club and so we are never disrespectful. We spoke with them about winning the League [last season] and it was open and respectful and a very good vibe. Danny Welbeck is the worst to crack because he is a mad, mad, mad Manchester United fan. I joke that he can hate me at United but we have to be friends with England. He lives on my road actually and we have some good banter but it is always professional.”
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/hart-welbeck-is-a-mad-mad-mad-united-fan/
Is your criteria strictly black PL based strikers? There'll be plenty of good strikers about, Wilson looks a big talent on the academy front and Falcao and Rooney will both be 30 so should have a few more years in them. We're about to sign Falcao and you're worried we won't be able to find a good striker again in a couple of years?
I admit he was slightly overhyped cause he was local, but he was clearly talented. He just never got a string of games in his favourite position up front, especially under a decent manager (sorry Moyes).
I think one of the issues though is that Danny doesn't want to be 3rd or 4th choice. He wants to be first choice a la Sturridge. We saw it during Moyes' tenure when he apparently put in or was on the verge of putting in a transfer request, and no doubt LVG told him that he'd be 3rd choice behind RVP and Rooney. As much as we'd all like him to stay, you can't begrudge him the chance to be the number 1 striker that he's always wanted to be.
I just wish it wasn't to Arsenal though, but fair play he wanted the chance to lead the line at a top 4 side, something we couldn't offer him.
Welbeck is the same age Sturridge was when Chelsea let him go. Watch him do the business for Arsenal now. I don't think ill be able to watch Arsenal games when he plays.
I can't believe this is true Why the hell LVG didn't want Welbeck?
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Welbeck had the skills, pace and physicality to be a top top player.
His only issue has always been that he cannot deal with pressure well. If he has to react in a split second he will do something spectacular.
If he has time to think or if his mind catches up with his body, he tends to fluff what he is doing.
Am really sad to see him go as he has always put in a lot for the club and was someone I really wanted to see succeed here, however, I do not think he would have reached his potential here and I, unless he somehow manages to overcome his mental blocks and stop fluffing chances, he will not fulfil his potential anywhere.
His only issue has always been that he cannot deal with pressure well. If he has to react in a split second he will do something spectacular.
If he has time to think or if his mind catches up with his body, he tends to fluff what he is doing.
Am really sad to see him go as he has always put in a lot for the club and was someone I really wanted to see succeed here, however, I do not think he would have reached his potential here and I, unless he somehow manages to overcome his mental blocks and stop fluffing chances, he will not fulfil his potential anywhere.
If his all around game made up for his lack of goals as much as people claim, he wouldn't have been let go. He clearly didn't JUST lack goals.
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