What were those justifications?
Rio hits out at Moyes
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Chipsgate.
That he needed time and would get it right in due course. I recall at that stage there seemed no conceivable way that Moyes could turn the ship around, regardless of time accorded him.
All true, but we are not talking about being champions, but actually getting 5th/6th. And with all due respect, Moyes himself spent 64 mil!
Why Rio' s form should have any bearing on his right to criticise, I don't know.
Let's not forget SAF said Rio was no longer capable of playing 2 games a week, and needed special handling.
only for Moyes to run him into the ground.
Let's not forget SAF said Rio was no longer capable of playing 2 games a week, and needed special handling.
only for Moyes to run him into the ground.
I'm glad Rio isn't at the club anymore. Thanks for the years of success, but he didn't deserve to be on the pitch most games last season. Didn't he make a comment about only needing to put 80% effort on the pitch or something?
Glad most of the troublemakers have been phased out or otherwise relegated to the bench.
It's really impossible to discuss Moyes on here, he almost ruined Colin's life you know.
Glad most of the troublemakers have been phased out or otherwise relegated to the bench.
It's really impossible to discuss Moyes on here, he almost ruined Colin's life you know.
Training in the local park.......Good Jesus 
I bet Wee Jimmy Lumsden took some bread to feed the ducks.
I bet Wee Jimmy Lumsden took some bread to feed the ducks.
Didn't Moyes completely refute that in his interview?
Aye but when Vidic was asked about it, he paused and then didn't deny it
No they wouldn't, and if they even would, Moyes would have no clue how to use them.
More importantly players such as Herrera, and especially Rojo and Blind wouldn't be here as Moyes's ultra modern scouting system only creates hidden gems like Hummels, Kroos, Fabregas, Ronaldo and Bale.
I can't believe people are begrudging Rio of saying these things. God, we all hated Moyes' reign here and seeing a player speak out about some truths is great. Moyes was a fecking dinosaur.
Do you know, that it's a fact that Everton paid Football manager to use their database back in 2008, to scout for players
I definitely agree. With the special handling he regained his form in 2012/2013 and I think even made the prem team of the year.
Moyes may have denied it but I think Vidic was asked about it in an interview just after he left and he didnt deny it. I reckon its the truth and he did ask both of them to watch vids of Jagielka. What I want to know is though, WTF made him think Jagielka was at Rio and Vida's level?
Yes, everybody has a right to say what they want in their biographies. My problem is not with what has come out, my problem is with who has said it. If Rio hadn't done stuff like leaking line-ups before the game, I wouldn't have a problem with this. That's not the case, is it? The stuff about practicing set-pieces at the park, about Rio wanting to strangle him or what not, was that really necessary? As much as Moyes is to blame for the shambles of last year, the players aren't lily-white either. Especially senior players like Rio, van Persie, Vidic , etc. One would have expected higher standards from them given what they've done for this club, but that's not the case. The only players who showed the right attitude despite the results were Rooney, Januzaj and De Gea. If they had come out and said this stuff, fair enough.
David Moyes and Manchester United is done. It's in the past. Neither party gains much by going on and on about it. Players like Rio Ferdinand, who gave so much to this club, need to understand that. In a couple of years, Rio is going to be all over the pundit circle. Would he prefer that people ask him about the 10 successful seasons he had with us or the one season where everything went wrong?
OK leaving Moyes aside and looking merely from a player's perspective:
You are one of the senior players who has been at the club for over a decade and has won everything. You were part of that group who saw Chelsea's money dominating everything but your group still won the PL back. Then you also were part of the group which reached 3 CL finals in 4 years. You were also part of the group which lost the title to your mega rich local rivals in the worst possible way but you still came back to win the title the following year.
Then all of a sudden you have a new manager and as soon as things don't work all those hard work, come-backs, acchievements are forgotten and ppl can't stop questionning you as a player. Whatever the tactic, performance or result, it was always you as player who was questioned by the media and not the manager. The same manager btw who hadn't won anything but had the balls to call you and your group who has had all kind of high and lows "mentally soft". And what are you supposed to do? Not even defend yourself? Just keep your mouth shut? Not tell what really happened?
I am actually shocked that the players kept silent while Moyes was destroying the club for 10 months. It is actually a huge credit to SAF that out of respect of him and his values (which also include not to question the manager) the players (serial winners, not some pub players) didn't speak up for that long.
If I am questioned in my daily life / work I immediately try to clear the issue or defend myself if necessary.
Hell even on an internet forum if I feel misunderstood or attacked I justify myself.
But Rio the player, who was openly questionned by the whole media in order to protect their Scot darling, should not be allowed to tell his story?
You are one of the senior players who has been at the club for over a decade and has won everything. You were part of that group who saw Chelsea's money dominating everything but your group still won the PL back. Then you also were part of the group which reached 3 CL finals in 4 years. You were also part of the group which lost the title to your mega rich local rivals in the worst possible way but you still came back to win the title the following year.
Then all of a sudden you have a new manager and as soon as things don't work all those hard work, come-backs, acchievements are forgotten and ppl can't stop questionning you as a player. Whatever the tactic, performance or result, it was always you as player who was questioned by the media and not the manager. The same manager btw who hadn't won anything but had the balls to call you and your group who has had all kind of high and lows "mentally soft". And what are you supposed to do? Not even defend yourself? Just keep your mouth shut? Not tell what really happened?
I am actually shocked that the players kept silent while Moyes was destroying the club for 10 months. It is actually a huge credit to SAF that out of respect of him and his values (which also include not to question the manager) the players (serial winners, not some pub players) didn't speak up for that long.
If I am questioned in my daily life / work I immediately try to clear the issue or defend myself if necessary.
Hell even on an internet forum if I feel misunderstood or attacked I justify myself.
But Rio the player, who was openly questionned by the whole media in order to protect their Scot darling, should not be allowed to tell his story?
Unbelievable. It really wouldn't look out place in that movie. I'm just picturing millions of pounds worth of players on a park, dog walkers walking by, people having lunch on a park benches, with this big bus parked on the side.He took the players to a park to practice set pieces
Thats straight out of the Mike Basset handbook of management.
I don't think it lacks any class at all. All Rio is doing is telling us what happened and how he felt about it. You wont sell anywhere near as many books with just the rosy moments.
Those were the 3 players most affected by Moyes' decisions. Rio had regained his form and if managed properly would not have had such a bad season and probably be still with us. RVP was the best striker in the league with back to back golden boots then Moyes came and made Rooney the main man. Vidic was our captain and as soon as Moyes came there was talk of Rooney becoming captain. How would you feel if you were Vidic?
Here is more........Quite damning! Especially the video and Vidic part
What is the story with the chips?!?! 
Moyes said he was never going to pay 29m for him, so, that statement is not true.
They were both lined up pre LVG.
The funny thing is that 'old school' 'SAF's clone' Moyes was the reason why people like him and Cleverley remained at the club for another season. A continental manager such as VG would have long shown him the door.
I'd be very surprised if any player in their right mind would ever question a manager currently employed by the club. You'd be digging your own grave really. That manager has been trusted by the board so you're questioning their decisions as well, the manager you're questioning might never even get sacked and turn things around so you'd shoot yourself in the foot there as well. Not to mention that the next manager in would probably think you're a bit of a bellend and sell you at the first opportunity, by openly questioning someone you are questioning authority which would never look good.
Football isn't the same as any of the examples you mention. I don't know what your job is but I doubt it comes with the publicity of a footballers. From the quotes it seems Rio and the team did question the manager in private it just got ignored, that's perfectly acceptable for both parties. The players have confronted their boss with different ideas and the boss disagrees which he is allowed to do...that's no different to any other business really. An internet forum attack again is no where near the same level.
It'd be nothing to do with Moyes, you'd be ill advised to openly question your boss in a public domain where they could easily catch wind of it.
Jeez, stuff like that only puts lads and Ferdinand in bad light, not Moyes.What is the story with the chips?!?!
Here is more........Quite damning! Especially the video and Vidic part
The last one is the worst of all
Once LVG gets the chips back, we can focus our attention on the premiership
Irritates me the amount of people who claim that he leaked the lineups as a matter of fact when it's very likely to be bullshit invented on twitter.
I'm glad Rio has come out with all of this. A lot of it is a variation on what the fans were saying on here; clueless tactically, the players hoofing more than ever, long high crosses were the only strategy and the players looked like they had no idea of what the game plan was or how to take the game to the opposition. Rio confirms it. All the time in the world wouldn't have made Moyes a top level manager it would have just plunged this great club into deeper trouble that would have tken longer to repair. I'm glad we are rid of him.
Shaw, Yes but Herrera was a club target, lined up under Ferguson.
OK then.
Agreed. He didn't show enough balls with moving the likes of Rio and Evra on. Jones, Smalling and Evans should have had starting roles 2 years ago, with Rio and Vidic filling in the gaps when needed.
Any time a United manager says "I don't want you to pass the ball" is surely grounds for an instant sacking? That means for some of the games Moyes actively told Rio and the other centre backs to just lump it up rather than try and pick a pass. I'm just so unbelievably glad we have Van Gaal now. I still have shudders thinking about Moyes. It's like when you think back to the time you got tricked into a one night stand with a real unfortunate looking bird.Here is more........Quite damning! Especially the video and Vidic part
I never liked Moyes. I was against his appointment from day 1. At Everton he was dull and there was nothing to justify his role at United.
However what Rio did was unforgivable. You see, a player is payed 60-300 grand a week to do what the manager tells him without any discussion. There are other people who are appointed to judge the manager and that is not the players role. Mind some of the things he said made sense while others 'the chipsgate' is purely moronic. Anyway, if United wanted Rio to have a greater role then that of a player then they would have appointed him as a manager. Since he was not the manager then he should shut up and do what he's being told.
Oh I didn't mean to give an interview to BBC, but do something about it, discuss as players what to do, then go to the board and tell them what's happening. Rio/Vidic/Giggs could have gone to Woodward very early. Chelsea players didn't keep silent that long with AVB, neither did Bayern players with Klinsmann.
My understanding is both Shaw and Herrera were targeted by the club's scouting team for a long time. So I wouldn't class them as Moyes' signings at all.
And that's why Moyes was preferred to the likes of Mourinho in the first place. Instead of going for the world class article who had the will, experience and the CV to revolutionize the club we opted for the 'old school' unknown who would simply be too grateful or frightened to tamper with SAF's 'masterwork' (the clique) without his permission. Guess what? Moyes may not have been good enough but at least he was his own man.
Can we all just forget moyes and what he did to the team. Can't believe there are still a few defending moyes, a man who managed to piss off so many senior members of the squad. Even our ex captain decided that if that was our future, he needed to feck off.
That's going a bit too far. Let's just say the top board underestimated the amount of work that needed to be done, and had faith in Moyes' ability to get the job done.
What is the story with the chips?!?!
So randomWhat did he do that's so 'unforgiveable'? I see people saying this, yet there's no evidence of anything.