I'm not sure about Batistuta's absence. It seems a wee bit like squeezing in the biggest names at the cost of the natural shape of the attack. That said, I don't really see a way through for Capello.
Manager Draft Final - Harms VS Edgar
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Exactly, harms seems to have started the right frontline to have when sitting back and soaking like there's no tomorrow. It's an odd way to start a game.
EAP on the other hand has clearly started what Capello would start: THAT backline, his very own Marvels of Shield in Redondo-Desailly-Rijkaard, with an attacking trio that can get a goal, but also drop back into an awesome midfield five. IF he can't get a goal, he could always do the unthinkable and sub off Desailly for Savicevic. Capello would probably wait to the 89th minute to do it, mind
Inter's late 1980s team is retrospectively under-rated. Even the lesser lights like Berti and Ferri were outstanding players.
And didn't Juve base their dominance on pumping Agnelli's (FIAT Motors) money? Milan actually built their backbone around homegrown players and club lifers with a sprinkling of stars, that too I think was one of their great strengths at a time when the wheeling-dealing at other teams made them lose any consistency. Mind, Berlusconi eventually got on that act once that Milan side started floundering. Second half of the 90s you just had the same backline and a constant -failed- makeover everywhere else.
Baggio is sitting on the pitch and it's not looking good. It looks like a hamstring injury. Baggio off, Batistuta on and Trap is thinking, was he wrong to pick not fully fit Roberto in the first place?
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They were, Ferri especially, I believe he still holds the all-time record for own goals scored in Serie A?
Jokes aside, they were great. But my team is better at every position, except, maybe, left back, it's debatable.It was. I'm not sure why but when those two Milan trios emerged I placed myself firmly in the Inter camp, probably all those years watching Bundesliga as a kid. I actually know exactly where I was watching that game harms posted earlier!
And that's the thing, AC Milan was always the side I didn't want to win, because locally I preferred Inter and nationally I preferred Juventus. It's actually quite funny, I found it excruciating voting against harms and in favour of the tiki taka Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime, but with time you leave aside the bile and start acknowledging they were pretty fecking good. Similar issue with AC Milan, those Capello years were a pain in the arse, so much so that the moment I got a whiff of it I buggered off and started watching La Liga and Barca's Dream Team... only for that fecker to twat them. There was no escaping Capello's Milan for me
It is indeed. Brehme was my favourite player in that Inter side, not Matthäus, but I can't overlook what Cabrini offered in that Juve side either. In fact, it only just hit me how lucky Trap was to leave Juve, where Cabrini was so important, and find such a great and arguably better replacement in Brehme. Same thing with Bergomi actually. It's actually uncanny how much he carried over the same blueprint bar Matthäus as playmaker instead of Platini.They were, Ferri especially, I believe he still holds the all-time record for own goals scored in Serie A?
@harms well played for switching tactics so quickly.
I agree about the draw concept - straight penalties of most votes go for a draw, makes sense to me more than a "no-vote", but it should probably be implemented from the next draft forward.
I agree about the draw concept - straight penalties of most votes go for a draw, makes sense to me more than a "no-vote", but it should probably be implemented from the next draft forward.
I always try and vote but this one I genuinely can't pick a winner.
I love the fact that Harms voted for a draw, almost makes me vote for him here. Class.
This has draw written all over it. Great setup by both managers here. Harms really shouldn't be losing by that much.
I can't see how this is a draw. With Harms on back 5, EAP will dominate the midfield with those players. There's almost 0 chance Harms' can score against that defence, protected by Desailly and Rijkaard in midfield, even more Harm's setup so defensively.
this goes back to my point of making followers vote a scoreline, rather than a winner.
8-2 is ridiculous
8-2 is ridiculous
His vote doesn't count so I assume its just so he can see the score everytime he opens the thread
This has the Juve versus Milan UCL Final in 2003 written all over it.
Both the teams are great but I feel this isn't harms' best team. Gentile seems pointless in that set-up. If that is what harms had planned to play, Brehme instead of Kohler would have been a much better option as he could have then played as a left wing-back. Van Basten and Gullit are great. But you don't need four CBs there against them. Seems overkill IMO. Personally, I would have taken Gentile off and played the same formation harms' did against me, except for Kohler replacing Gentile and Matthaus replacing Furino.
Both the teams are great but I feel this isn't harms' best team. Gentile seems pointless in that set-up. If that is what harms had planned to play, Brehme instead of Kohler would have been a much better option as he could have then played as a left wing-back. Van Basten and Gullit are great. But you don't need four CBs there against them. Seems overkill IMO. Personally, I would have taken Gentile off and played the same formation harms' did against me, except for Kohler replacing Gentile and Matthaus replacing Furino.
Errr... His vote doesn't count anyway, I thought one of the great uses of this third option was managers being able to vote draw and not having to bother with the "you vote first", "no, you do it" and having to refresh like mugs for an entire day.
Well, it isn't really, because it's not a scoreline but an aggregate of independent opinions. This game is actually not one where the scoreline approach makes much difference as I'm sure most are making it 1-0 either side, 2-1 tops.
I will be very surprised if any of these two teams manage to score more than one goal.
It's not exactly an original idea
but if it were a scoreline approach, more would have taken 0-0 rather than a 1-0
Yeah, I thought five at the back was off when Brehme didn't get picked. In fairness though, this setup makes it the stalemate it is, with the other setup I would have long voted for EAP. Was mulling over it with a Baggio that indicated inviting too much pressure, but I'm sitting on a draw right now. It doesn't really help harms, mind, he is basically matching EAPs ability to keep a clean sheet but not really convincing anyone that he can win it.
mine was more specific
There's an option for any of those: "EAP wins", "Harms wins" and "Draw".
The only possible scorelines here are
0-0, 1-1 => Draw
1-0, 2-1 => Vote the winner you fancy
Finger in the air, it's 30% 0-0, 30% 1-1, another 30% for either win option and 10% for the 2-1 win option. It's basically down to how people perceive that 40% of win options.
If they think it was 0-0, the do have the draw option, right?
On thing I wish to emphasize is the deadliness of Rijkaard from the distance. His goals are just screamers from there and no amount of defenders could hope to stop one of those. I wish I could post a couple of videos, but it's blocked in office. It really is a treat to watch and against that midfield, I feel Rijkaard is bound to get on the scoreline here.
Gentile man marking Nedved is bound to end in futility for harms imo. Nedved is not a AM (a la Zico/Maradona) and definitely is not playing the metronomo here. He will just drag Gentile all over the pitch and Maldini being largely untroubled is free to step up to provide with (tuck in squeeze space).
Gentile man marking Nedved is bound to end in futility for harms imo. Nedved is not a AM (a la Zico/Maradona) and definitely is not playing the metronomo here. He will just drag Gentile all over the pitch and Maldini being largely untroubled is free to step up to provide with (tuck in squeeze space).
yep but people aren't really used to voting for a draw in case like these. even the draw is quite recent, so the condition is more toward voting for a winner.
even here there is a very high probability that it will be draw, and i would have predicted a 0-0, but I picked a winner because of the conditioning (and yeah i hate capello)
Yes, we noticed
TBH, I have no idea which other way you can "condition" it "Who will win? Options: A, B or draw", it's pretty straight-forward mate
What conditioning? Don't really understand the 'I think it'll be a draw, but I'm not conditioned to vote a draw'. I'm sure the playing managers and regulars know enough to distinguish and no amount of improvisation will help casual scan voters. In previous cases, when in draw managers do not vote..which kind of leads to speculation as to why they are not voting. This just brings things out in open.
Thanks to Annah, the draw option will be a major takeaway and I think will become a standard option for future drafts.
I can assure you it will not be that boring as the real Capello.Rijkaard played next to Ancelotti and it was Albertini beside Desailly. But now with Desailly behind them, I believe this is a far more ideal platform for both of Rijkaard and Redondo to showcase his flair and all round talent. As I mention in OP if it was between those 4 midfielders, I really believe Redondo/Rijkaard are the better duo to control the middle.
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Sounds like I made it up myself I don't deserve all the cred. I am sure I just put voices in to action like with this draft!
Voted for EAP, will be a very close match with few chances and he has the deadlier striker.
Would people stop moaning about votes. Everyone has the right to vote as they want including scan voters. Few people deciding this as a draw and ignoring votes would kill future drafts.
He really did have a rocket on him. Bit of a can of worms this as Matthäus wasn't too shabby either, but I suppose the logic is your midfield will help you dominate the game and, in that context, that rocket could become really valuable.
I'll oblige with a gif (keeping videos for my next post
). One for the rocket, another I bumped into while looking at Rijkaard goals: Gullit-van Basten combination but Rijkaard being the scorer, I bet no one expected that 
Just out of interest, I searched for which of these players have a Football's Greatest vid so you can all be a bit more entertained during this cagey affair.
Turns out it's Gullit-van Basten-Maldini for EAP and Platini-Batistuta for harms. No, it's not 3-2! The point is pissed off with the omissions I came across this clip which I hadn't seen before, the first episode on The Contenders aka those left out. Zoff, Baresi, Matthäus, Baggio and Rossi. Again, shouldn't keep tallies when Steven Gerrard is in there, but it's a great watch with them and Giggs, Figo, Romario, Cantona, Rummenigge... Great use of one hour.
Probably a bit pointless to link you to the individual videos, but it's topical and worth watching the Greatest Teams episodes which covered that Milan side and Traps' Juve.
Turns out it's Gullit-van Basten-Maldini for EAP and Platini-Batistuta for harms. No, it's not 3-2! The point is pissed off with the omissions I came across this clip which I hadn't seen before, the first episode on The Contenders aka those left out. Zoff, Baresi, Matthäus, Baggio and Rossi. Again, shouldn't keep tallies when Steven Gerrard is in there, but it's a great watch with them and Giggs, Figo, Romario, Cantona, Rummenigge... Great use of one hour.
Probably a bit pointless to link you to the individual videos, but it's topical and worth watching the Greatest Teams episodes which covered that Milan side and Traps' Juve.
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I admit that I've not seen Baresi's but I'm sure Maldini is there. Makes for today's home work!
That's bogus. Rijkarrd is capable of those forward runs and you could say that he was a b2b for Milan at times, same with Redondo to some extent. But in reality all 3 of your MF's strength lies in their defensive prowess. Out of all the CMs on the park, Lothar is most likely to change the game with a forward run IMO.
Rijkaard played next to Ancelotti and it was Albertini beside Desailly. But now with Desailly behind them, I believe this is a far more ideal platform for both of Rijkaard and Redondo to showcase his flair and all round talent. As I mention in OP if it was between those 4 midfielders, I really believe Redondo/Rijkaard are the better duo to control the middle.
Voted Harms. As pretty much every one has said that this is likely a 0-0 affair. Most seem to have given credit to Van Basten to swing it with that odd goal. I do think Platini is not getting his due in that sense. I am sure if Maradona was playing there instead of him, harms would at least be level if not leading. That's not to say Platini was as good as Diego just that he can not swing votes like the Argie can. Platini along with Cruyff was pretty much the best attacking player picked in this draft. His job is ridiculously hard here, with having to navigate with in trio of Redondo, Rijkarrd and Dessaily (though he does have Lothar and Tardelli for support), but Van Basten is equally so since he will mixing it up with Kohler, Bergomi and Scirea as well.
Tardelli and Rijkaard being equal. Tardelli's best season had him score more and he averaged roughly a goal more per season as well.(In the league.)