Danny Welbeck | Arsenal player

[Señor]

Penny finally dropping at Arsenal (and hopefully United) that he's not actually that good?

I read one tweet yesterday that summarised Welbeck's entire club career.

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He's certainly no better than Giroud, Walcott or Chamberlain (unless he's playing for England) and I'm guessing one of them has to be dropped for Welbeck to start. Arsenal look just as bad as they have in previous years, if not worse, and that's including having one of the best players in the world in Sanchez carrying them.

 

[togg]

He was certainly a lot more dangerous than the guy we played at the top.

True, but I still maintain that if two chances fell to a striker to put away, I'd still want them to fall to RVP than DW

 

[Jev]

True, but I still maintain that if two chances fell to a striker to put away, I'd still want them to fall to RVP than DW

Still, I think the revisionism is tiresome. Just because he's an Arsenal player, half the Caf had decided that he's now a pretty useless footballer. When he was still at United, only a minority said he wasn't good enough. But I guess that's football fans for you. Fickle.

He's a good lad, United through and through and would much prefer to play for us under a manager who believed in him. Don't understand why so many United fans are to keen to bash him.

 

[Jev]

Penny finally dropping at Arsenal (and hopefully United) that he's not actually that good?

I read one tweet yesterday that summarised Welbeck's entire club career.

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He's certainly no better than Giroud, Walcott or Chamberlain (unless he's playing for England) and I'm guessing one of them has to be dropped for Welbeck to start. Arsenal look just as bad as they have in previous years, if not worse, and that's including having one of the best players in the world in Sanchez carrying them.

This is BS, by the way. We parked the bus, there was little room for him to operate in. All things considered, he caused us quite a few problems in the first half.

 

[OnlyTwoDaSilvas]

I think he's still a very good player and I'd rather he was still here than at Arsenal, but I think he is best in the position we played him in. You get the best of his abilities, without having to rely on him as the main source of goals.

 

[Kaos]

This is BS, by the way. We parked the bus, there was little room for him to operate in. All things considered, he caused us quite a few problems in the first half.

And no goals to show for it. Typical Welbeck then.

 

[iBoss]

Started off brightly but as soon as Giroud came on he faded into obscurity.

Wenger pushed him out wide instead of going for it with two up top.

 

[Jev]

And no goals to show for it. Typical Welbeck then.

How many goals did van Persie score?

 

[RonaldoVII]

How many goals did van Persie score?

How about Giroud? He did more. Welbeck wouldn't have scored his goal.

 

[Señor]

This is BS, by the way. We parked the bus, there was little room for him to operate in. All things considered, he caused us quite a few problems in the first half.

Nah, it's not bs. It's your opinion, just like it's mine (and most of the world) that he's not as good as some of you like to make out.

How many goals did van Persie score?

how pathetic can you be to start slagging off your own players, unprompted at that, just because you've got some fetish for a player that used to play for us? RvP is in a bad rut of form and he may well be past it but age is a factor. Welbeck has never shown anything like what RvP has shown for Arsenal and United both to suggest a valid comparison can be made.

 

[Kaos]

How many goals did van Persie score?

RVP is actually a world class player with a track record that's done the business for us in the past, its unsurprising that his form is dropping with age. You can't say the same about Welbeck.

 

[Moonred]

Why not judge welbeck on what he does than compare another striker's failure to justify his?

 

[Señor]

Why not judge welbeck on what he does than compare another striker's failure to justify his?

It's something you'd expect from oppo fans but it's quite unbelievable we've got some nutters on here doing the same but actually slagging off our own players instead.

 

[Jev]

Nah, it's not bs. It's your opinion, just like it's mine (and most of the world) that he's not as good as some of you like to make out.


how pathetic can you be to start slagging off your own players, unprompted at that, just because you've got some fetish for a player that used to play for us? RvP is in a bad rut of form and he may well be past it but age is a factor. Welbeck has never shown anything like what RvP has shown for Arsenal and United both to suggest a valid comparison can be made.

I'm simply trying to look at things with a pinch of objectivity, unlike so many United fans who used to think Welbeck was a good, promising striker and now slag him off at every single opportunity. That is pathetic.

 

[Jev]

Why not judge welbeck on what he does than compare another striker's failure to justify his?

I was simply trying to counter the logic that because a striker did not score in one game he is automatically useless at football.

 

[Dante]

How about Giroud? He did more. Welbeck wouldn't have scored his goal.

Giroud himself wouldn't score that goal again if you gave him the entire weekend. I wouldn't assign too much weight to it.

 

[Robbie Boy]

This is BS, by the way. We parked the bus, there was little room for him to operate in. All things considered, he caused us quite a few problems in the first half.

He's a number 9 that isn't dangerous. He hardly caused us that many problems. I honestly believe that if a fully fit Giroud had of started, Arsenal would have won.

 

[Rednotdead]

I was simply trying to counter the logic that because a striker did not score in one game he is automatically useless at football.

Nobody's saying he's useless at football, all that's been said is that he's not good enough as a striker. He has many good facets to his game, but unfortunately he falls down when it comes to the main job of a striker-putting the ball in the net. Two goals in - what - 10 or 11 league games is hardly any return for a striker.

Comparisons with RVP are pointless, RVP has proved in the past he can put the ball in the net. Maybe that's now in the past, I don't know. But RVP not putting the ball in the net doesn't make Welbeck a better player just because neither is scoring.

 

[coolredwine]

Louis van Gaal on Danny Welbeck:

He was not a line up player. He was more substitute than line up. And even with different coaches, he was a not a line up player. And then comes Mr van Gaal and the world is changing? No, the world is not changing. The facts are there. They are not my facts, they're facts of Danny Welbeck.

 

[Dante]

He was a lineup player under both Fergie and Moyes, even though that sometimes meant shoehorning him into the wrong position.

 

[FlawlessThaw]

He's played in 13 games for Arsenal now and only scored in 3 matches. You can keep bringing up his hat-trick but unfortunately to only score in 3 out of 13 matches just isn't good enough for a top team playing in his favoured position.

 

[MDFC Manager]

It's something you'd expect from oppo fans but it's quite unbelievable we've got some nutters on here doing the same but actually slagging off our own players instead.

It is absolutely bizarre and I can't get my head around it. It's not even as if this guy is setting the world on fire after leaving us.

 

[Robbie Boy]

It is absolutely bizarre and I can't get my head around it. It's not even as if this guy is setting the world on fire after leaving us.

It's actually pathetic. I saw a post in the match day thread from a newb saying he would love Welbeck to score against us to 'show' the United fans that don't rate him. That was probably the most pathetic post I have read on this place. A United fan actually saying that.

It's also sad how much our own fans have slagged off RvP, Falcao and Rooney, to make a case for how brilliant Welbeck is. I have never seem a more bizarre reaction to a transfer from the media, some Arsenal fans and our own fans.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Wait a second. What on earth is wrong with comparing the performances of two strikers from the same game? More to the point, why on earth would anyone NOT make that comparison when the reason Welbeck was let go because RvP was deemed to be a better option?

 

[Damien]

Wait a second. What on earth is wrong with comparing the performances of two strikers from the same game? More to the point, why on earth would anyone NOT make that comparison when the reason Welbeck was let go because RvP was deemed to be a better option?

He was let go mainly because of Wilson, not van Persie.

 

[OneUnited24]

Wait a second. What on earth is wrong with comparing the performances of two strikers from the same game? More to the point, why on earth would anyone NOT make that comparison when the reason Welbeck was let go because RvP was deemed to be a better option?

Because one team had the ball more than the other?

Should we compare him with Rooney and say how much better Welbeck was? Because i thought Rooney wasnt that great on the ball yesterday, granted he scored (and i love him for that!) but overall didnt contribute that much... Unlike the tireless Welbeck.

 

[MDFC Manager]

It's actually pathetic. I saw a post in the match day thread from a newb saying he would love Welbeck to score against us to 'show' the United fans that don't rate him. That was probably the most pathetic post I have read on this place. A United fan actually saying that.

It's also sad how much our own fans have slagged off RvP, Falcao and Rooney, to make a case for how brilliant Welbeck is. I have never seem a more bizarre reaction to a transfer from the media, some Arsenal fans and our own fans.

Yea he should have scored a match winning hattrick last night. That would have shown us

He was let go mainly because of Wilson, not van Persie.

Precisely. No RvP means Rooney plays up front and Welbeck still isn't a "lineup player".

 

[Minimalist]

Bright play as usual. Mind-farts when it came to being decisive with the ball, as usual.

 

[Rowem]

He was a lineup player under both Fergie and Moyes, even though that sometimes meant shoehorning him into the wrong position.

15 and 13 league starts in his last two seasons, with 10 and 14 sub appearances. He was the definition of a rotation player.

 

[Dante]

15 and 13 league starts in his last two seasons, with 10 and 14 sub appearances. He was the definition of a rotation player.

He played when fit, for the most part. He was dogged by injuries the last two seasons.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Because one team had the ball more than the other?

Should we compare him with Rooney and say how much better Welbeck was? Because i thought Rooney wasnt that great on the ball yesterday, granted he scored (and i love him for that!) but overall didnt contribute that much... Unlike the tireless Welbeck.

Rooney and Welbeck both played well. Just a pity they were on opposite teams because RvP was woeful.

 

[OneUnited24]

Rooney and Welbeck both played well. Just a pity they were on opposite teams because RvP was woeful.

Rooney i thought was really bad on the ball yesterday. There were a few moments where he really ruined good counter attack moves. But he scored and looked one of our better players so you cant be too mad!

Still I think the RvP criticism is a bit OTT because he was asked to play on wide right which he just hasnt got the pace for. He was bad but i think a lot was down to the the system we played

 

[Robbie Boy]

Had he scored yesterday, this thread would have grown by at least 5 pages. It's really sad the odd effect this transfer has had on so many of our own fans.

 

[Wumminator]

Thought he did well yesterday. Would still like him here. Thought he'd have scored more than he has..

 

[Nighteyes]

Had he scored yesterday, this thread would have grown by at least 5 pages. It's really sad the odd effect this transfer has had on so many of our own fans.

Your posts are opposite in the other extreme. You can't seem to help bringng him up time and again. 2nd highest poster on this thread.

 

[JustAFan]

Is Giroud going to be the preferred striker now that he is back pushing Danny back out on the wing?

 

[Robbie Boy]

Your posts are opposite in the other extreme. You can't seem to help bringng him up time and again. 2nd highest poster on this thread.

Not really. I have never once bumped this thread, nor have I slated Welbeck. It's funny, he's on a drought for Arsenal but the thread has grown at a very moderate pace, compare that to when he scores and it says it all. The people who need to bump the thread at any given opportunity when he has a good game, are extremely tedious. Those same posters go missing when he plays poor.

To say I'm the other extreme is just petty and without any foundations.

 

[golden_blunder]

@Mogget and @golden_blunder, you were saying?



Arse will achieve nothing with players like Welbeck up front.

You completely miss the point don't you

 

[golden_blunder]

As shown by England Rooney-Welbeck works well. We would have looked a lot less toothless with the same combo. Oh well

 

[KiD MoYeS]

He was anonymous against a poor Manchester United side and some are still praising him? Anyway, van Gaal 1-0 Welbeck.