No, it won't be. Not even close.
Gerrard Confirms He's Slipping Off
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
This nuance about "intelligence" which has cropped up so often over the last few years regarding him does my head in. There seems to be a view that the Roy of the Rovers style he had which made him an outstanding footballer is a bad thing. Take away that and he becomes half the player. He didn't have to be that guy sitting deep directing play because he had the qualities to be in amongst play.
Like any United fan I'm a huge admirer of Scholes. Midfielders like Xavi and Pirlo. But there are more ways to run a midfield than to be this artistic sitting midfielder spraying balls left and right.
Keane was more towards Gerrard than he was to Scholes in play and many will say he's the best midfielder to grace the Premier League. I certainly believe so.
Like any United fan I'm a huge admirer of Scholes. Midfielders like Xavi and Pirlo. But there are more ways to run a midfield than to be this artistic sitting midfielder spraying balls left and right.
Keane was more towards Gerrard than he was to Scholes in play and many will say he's the best midfielder to grace the Premier League. I certainly believe so.
I actually think it will be what he is most remembered for by non-Liverpool fans. It's hard to express quite how hilarious and perfectly timed it was.
You're not wrong. However the point I was making, however, is that his style doesn't enhance his longevity. It's no coincidence he and your example Keane didn't have the longevity of the midfielders you mentioned.
Sorry to say it will be, most probably by non-Liverpool fans but almost certainly by United fans.
I don't think it will define his legacy but that slip, in this meme/vine/gif age where it's all about 'what have you done for me lately?' that was a singular moment which will forever be linked with him. Liverpool fans will remember him for much more than that, I'm sure, which they should.
Respect for a great player. At least he knows he's on a steep slope of decline and is willing to take a step down instead of milking his team for more money. Better if Rodgers had helped him extend his usefulness instead of exposing him like he has this season. I think he would've played a few more PL seasons if Rodgers had developed the team a bit better instead of trying to build it around him. Given a properly defined secondary role, he could've been a one club player, even if he isn't what he was at his peak.
In comparison to other great PL CM's, he definitely lacks when it comes to nous, but he probably ranks up there when it came to being able to drag a team up by sheer force of will and energy. I guess that happens when you don't have as good a supporting cast as the top teams, needing to be the all action-all everything leader. When he did have a good supporting player or two (i.e. in-form Torres, Alonso, Suarez, etc), he was able to tease his fans and almost mount the summit, but it tended to be 1 season peaks, falling back down to earth the subsequent seasons. If I were him, i'd be rather upset with the team owners/managers for not properly pushing on after those seasons and mounting another title challenge. Sort of like Ted Williams, a great player but never having a good enough supporting cast.
In comparison to other great PL CM's, he definitely lacks when it comes to nous, but he probably ranks up there when it came to being able to drag a team up by sheer force of will and energy. I guess that happens when you don't have as good a supporting cast as the top teams, needing to be the all action-all everything leader. When he did have a good supporting player or two (i.e. in-form Torres, Alonso, Suarez, etc), he was able to tease his fans and almost mount the summit, but it tended to be 1 season peaks, falling back down to earth the subsequent seasons. If I were him, i'd be rather upset with the team owners/managers for not properly pushing on after those seasons and mounting another title challenge. Sort of like Ted Williams, a great player but never having a good enough supporting cast.
I agree that he could do those things but so could Beckham. That's the level I would put him at.
He certainly wasn't in the top 3 midfielders in the PL never mind Europe/the world
It got mentioned quite a few times on the early pages of the thread.
Debatable. The first thing that springs to my mind is Istanbul.
That was the GEOAT.
Except it actually has.
It is bizarre indeed. Being an European champion but not your own country's for a decade before AND after. You are 'the best' but you really are not. True definition of lucky.
Moyes wants to sign him................
Not joking either
Not joking either
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He realises he'll not be an automatic choice at Liverpool any more. It's hurting his pride.
Basically doing a runner.
Basically doing a runner.
That's what I don't see anyone saying. He could still be useful to Rodgers and the team if he stuck around as a part-time player. He may not have the legs for 90mins anymore but he's still capable of doing some things at a high level. The occasional start with 15-20mins part time and I'm sure he could teach newer/younger players a few things. For him to leave at this point feels strange - either the ego's getting in the way or that slip really did break him mentally.
Just heard some news from my brother.
Apparently Gerrard will be releasing an autobiography, one with no title obviously.
Apparently Gerrard will be releasing an autobiography, one with no title obviously.
Yeah that's what it looks like but you can understand his mindset. He thinks (wrongly) that he should still be an automatic first choice and isn't prepared to play a bit part role for a mid-table team. If he was with a good team that were consistently challenging for honours he wouldn't mind playing less games
Yeah I think that's the main difference between his situation and that of Giggs and Scholes. He's in a struggling team far off the title (and lately the top 4) while Giggs and Scholes were in successful teams that were winning trophies. Plus we could probably afford to have older players in the team while it seems to be a big issue for Liverpool.
Chris Bascombe, Telegraph:
Most of his goals. If you can put aside the natural dislike for him, there's some absolutely cracking strikes in there (only one proper belter against us).
Well, he tried
Always gonna happen!
Then why did he want to leave the club back in 2006? Even if Rooney goes on to beat Sir Bobby's goalscoring and appearance records I'll never considering him to be a legend because he tried to leave the club twice. When Gerrard tried to leave there were Liverpool fans burning jerseys with his name on the back. I consider the likes of SAF, Keane, Giggs, Charlton and Best to be United legends (yes I know Best and Keane didn't finish their careers at the club), but nothing more. No one person if bigger than the club. To suggest that Gerrard is more than a legend, whatever that is (maybe some sort of demi-god?), is way OTT especially considering he once handed in a transfer request which I would not consider to be the actions of a legend, and certainly not someone considered to be "more" than a legend.
Why not ?
I'm assuming the 3 are Viera,Keane,Scholes ?
With respect to Gerrard, the above 3 were playing in very good teams that had an array of talent.
This keeps getting trotted out by the BBC, TalkShite etc, it's an impossible argument to have.
He tried didn't he?
He did score the second greatest FA Cup goal of all time...
Second.
Second.
Those 3 along with Fabregas mk I are the best CMs the PL has seen. Gerrard was an AM in his pomp (see Lampard)
Sad to see him go, now Liverpool might actually play someone who isn't a liability in midfield now.
God bless you Hectic.
It's hilarious reading all the tributes flooding in from players and fans labelling him as this great one club man. Don't they understand this news results in him playing for another club?
Because Alonso Mascherano and Torres on form were all shite (the 3 were world class at the time) Add Gerrard Reina Johnson Agger Skrtel Aurellio Aquallini Babel Leiva Reira Benayoun Rodriguez and Kuyt. Liverpool had a very good team and they should have won the title but for Fergies brilliance helped by a Rafa meltdown.