If you look at 13/14 and this season Hummels has suffered from a lot of injuries though. I checked it out a few days ago, he's missed a third of Bundesliga games through injury. So you can see why it's a bit concerning when you're about to make him the general in defense. Granted before then he didn't really have any issues, but 2 years is a long time in football.
Manchester United transfer news: Rafael da Silva facing exit as Louis van Gaal plans clearout
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LVG must be stopped.
I meant by those who say LvG needs another summer, he’s still cleaning up the mess left by Moyes or that Fergie left him a terrible squad. At some stage it has to be LvGs team so we can move on and focus on the current squad, instead of focusing on the past.
His injury record is only one of my concerns, he is also still very rash and his defensive displays are not brilliant, he is not a young kid anymore and at 24 I personally thought he'd be the Brazil starting right back by now. I just don't think he has fulfilled his promise for some reason.
For me he attacks very well and scores the odd goal and assist and shows great passion but people on here are believing the report that LvG is willing to let a WC defender go. As long as he is replaced with someone good I'm not too bothered if he stays or goes. I don't agree with a lot of van Gaals decisions but if he picks Valencia and McNair ahead of Rafael then he clearly doesn't rate him as highly as people on here. 35 starts in almost two seasons doesn't bode well either.
For me he attacks very well and scores the odd goal and assist and shows great passion but people on here are believing the report that LvG is willing to let a WC defender go. As long as he is replaced with someone good I'm not too bothered if he stays or goes. I don't agree with a lot of van Gaals decisions but if he picks Valencia and McNair ahead of Rafael then he clearly doesn't rate him as highly as people on here. 35 starts in almost two seasons doesn't bode well either.
Funny how such a poor defender like Rafael managed to have Bale in his pocket practically every time he played up against him. Can't just be the old cliche that a fullback that is good going forward must be shit defensively.
I don't get how people complain about our boring play style and then clamour to get rid of some of the most exciting players in our squad like Nani and Rafael. It makes no sense.
I don't get how people complain about our boring play style and then clamour to get rid of some of the most exciting players in our squad like Nani and Rafael. It makes no sense.
LvG in the summer said he likes a small squad of 22-23 with two players per position. Even if we buy another RB we still need Rafael who is the only actual RB in the current squad. Selling him would be a mistake, but I accept he needs serious cover/competition so wouldn't object to us bringing another in.
Another summer of wholesale change will only cause massive disruptions and another season of new players learning the managers philosophy and settling into a new league etc. It'd be another season like this one. I think we need to make tweaks. 2-3 additions to the first XI but not 10 out and another 5-6 in.
Another summer of wholesale change will only cause massive disruptions and another season of new players learning the managers philosophy and settling into a new league etc. It'd be another season like this one. I think we need to make tweaks. 2-3 additions to the first XI but not 10 out and another 5-6 in.
Out: Young, Valencia, Rafael, Evans, Falcao, Van Persie, Hernandez, Powell,
Return: Nani
Buy: Depay, Dybala, Godin, RB, CM
Return: Nani
Buy: Depay, Dybala, Godin, RB, CM
Pretty much this, except I don't see getting rid of both Rafael and Valencia as a good idea as we'll only have McNair as RB cover. I also would be concerned that your idea suggests we are going to continue wasting time on both Smalling and Jones as opposed to just one of them.
Not a hope in hell of Van Gaal getting rid of Valencia and Young in the summer. They've been two of his more reliable performers this season.
I wouldn't be complained if he can find better players to replace their positions in the squad though.We have to move forward.As reliable as they were this season they have a lot of limitation.
The article says Young is likely to receive a new contract, and I'd go with that.
We do need to move forward. From Van Gaal's perspective that won't involve getting rid of two of his most reliable performers this season. He's got enough surgery to do as it is.
He's our only wide player that carries a genuine threat if i'm honest.
Sacking Rafael is a sackable offense. Would it be surprising if Rafael entered a healthy phase of his career like RVP and took Rafinha's job at Bayern or even replaced Alves at Barcelona? He's definitely got the talent.
The bloke thinks it's football manager. Absolute head in the clouds!FFS
We won't be left with a squad. Why keep RVP and send Wilson on loan? Why sell Fellaini and Young when they will be useful squad players, not only that but they have been our better players this season? Why get rid of Di Maria, what indications has he shown that he's not happy? Mata has been one of our better players this season, why give Blackett an extension then sell him a few months later?
I am curious if there'll be a clearout. Might be more like City having to wait on contracts to end or one or two sales at a time over a few years.
If there is a clearout, it'd only push back when things stable and Woody could sell players for a decent fee.
No doubt the market for United is off canter In the post-Ferguson/Gil era. There is some settling yet to happen.
If there is a clearout, it'd only push back when things stable and Woody could sell players for a decent fee.
No doubt the market for United is off canter In the post-Ferguson/Gil era. There is some settling yet to happen.
His talent isn't it doubt, but in his 4 seasons as undoubted first choice right back he's averaged 19 league games. If he's injured half the time then it's no good.
We can't keep banking on a tomorrow which never comes.
Agreed. We have way to many average players on huge wages. No team with that budget would consider these players. We can only let contracts run down. Sad but true. The club has acted rediculously over the years with contracts. Young, Anderson and Fellaini's wages spring to mind.
Agreed. Which is why we need to buy another RB to compete with him, not sell him. He's 24! Unless we have good medical evidence he'll be like this forever or we get some massive offer (which we won't) why the hell get rid of him?
The obvious answer is to get a 21-25 year old RB with no injury history who can backup Shaw, too, like Chelsea have with Azpilicueta. Clyne is the obvious candidate having played at LB for them when Shaw was out last year, but Darmian has played left back too. There are other qualified candidates I would imagine, but those 2 are at Europa League-ish clubs and surely gettable.
Everyone* loves Rafael, people thought van Gaal would take to him... and he's probably gone.
Everyone* wanted Rooney gone, many thought van Gaal wouldn't take to him... and he's undroppable.
Safe to say we got elements of van Gaal very wrong. The majority of the players that people thought he'd have playing well have either been woeful, barely played, or been sold/loaned out.
* Not literally everyone.
Everyone* wanted Rooney gone, many thought van Gaal wouldn't take to him... and he's undroppable.
Safe to say we got elements of van Gaal very wrong. The majority of the players that people thought he'd have playing well have either been woeful, barely played, or been sold/loaned out.
* Not literally everyone.
Yep.
Yes, buying another right back is the thing to do, and keep Rafa for when he's fit, but my point is that none of us should be outraged, or furious, or whatever, if he is sold.
I'd be furious if, say, Di Maria or Shaw were sold. Or De Gea for that matter.
I'm not too bothered about Rafael going just as long as he goes abroad, and we get a decent fee for him £15 Million +, although I somehow doubt that will happen.
Lots of other players could go with trigger happy Louis in the chair, any six (+ Rafael) from Smalling, Jones, Evans, Valencia, Young, Fellaini, Januzaj, Mata, RvP, Falcao, Hernandez, and Nani, my money would be on Mata, Falcao, Fellaini, Evans, Hernandez, and Smalling, plus maybe RvP
Lots of other players could go with trigger happy Louis in the chair, any six (+ Rafael) from Smalling, Jones, Evans, Valencia, Young, Fellaini, Januzaj, Mata, RvP, Falcao, Hernandez, and Nani, my money would be on Mata, Falcao, Fellaini, Evans, Hernandez, and Smalling, plus maybe RvP
Rafael is on my outrage list, though to an extent it depends on the fee and more so, if they want to leave. I assume if De Gea goes it will be him demanding to go to Barca or Real instead of signing a new contract or in 2-3 years with his new contract having some very high but hittable release clause.
Ridiculous! With you in charge United would go into administration.
7 million would be a great deal.
We should be happy if we get anything off him, only 1 year deal left and I can't think of many clubs that are dying to add Rafael to their team.
I'd say a million 3-4 at most
You won't sell Young , he'll run his contract out cos no-one in their right mind is going to pay him anything like what he is getting.
Plus he's a useful player.
He's crap, you pay over £100K a year for the tool, he's had about 3 good performances in 4 years.
He's had about 3 good performances in his last 4 games. Solid squad player at the moment, nothing more.
£100k a year not too shabby either, considering wages these days.
He'll be running out his contract in 3-4 years time after signing a new one! I love me some Ashley Young.
We are talking about an extension for him, mate. Blows my mind.
I am hoping that given his "good" form someone will take a punt on him. Lot of desperation in the lower rungs of the league. Newcastle or West Ham or someone to the rescue.
Rafael isn't playing and he's probably on 80k a week - he has to go with that in mind. We can't pay squad players that kind of money, and certainly not ones that are 50/50 to be injured when your first choice RB gets injured
I want him to stay! We need a another RB to challenge him, a major reason behind his drop of form. Of course we need a cover also for the reason Rafa is often injured. Coleman or Clyne would be good options
He can start the clearout by resigning.
Right decision, we need a new RB and to get rid of our crocks to finally move on. Another step away from "Sentimental United".
Exactly. Rafael is over rated on the Caf big time, and as loveable as he is, he isn't the top class player we rate him as.
He probably should of been shipped at the start of the season. Ferguson was too sentimental to do it, and Moyes didn't want to ruffle feathers.
Rafas fitness problems are nothing new.
Huh? It would be asinine for either of them to do it since Rafael was fantastic his last season under Ferguson. Why would Ferguson sell a player he developed into a quality RB and it would have been the dumbest thing of Moyes tenure if he sold Rafael.
He was fantastic then and that was peak of his value. He's never going to be able to stay fit.
It's like Chelsea selling Mata when his value was still high. Rafael has always had poor fitness and been a tad rash defensively.