For me, RVP hasn't been as bad as Falcao (by virtue of actually being able to score goals) but his general play has been really poor, to the point where he just doesn't look interested at times. Give me Danny Welbeck actually trying to make things happen any day. However - I still hold onto some weird (probably misplaced) belief that RVP will come good... so no, I wouldn't have Welbeck over him... but I don't really see how Danny would have been as bad as RVP has been this season for us had he stayed here.
Could you imagine what Van Persie goal ratio would be this season if he was alternated between a central role and a wide role? The fact that Van Persie has played centrally this whole time at United without being tasked to track back makes his record appear even worse than Welbeck when you look thing past a basic statistical perspective.
100% this.
Not really good either for a top club, at all.
No ,they applauded him for being a United player and fan who was treated shabbily by the club and LVG.
The fact that Rvp plays in the most static United in years, with no service and in a team who barely creates more than 3 clear cut chances per match and still scores more than a Welbeck who plays in one of the most fluid attacking teams in the PL, who dominate games properly and create speaks volumes. Welbeck normally isnt a starter there. I know its beautiful to see a youth graduate turn into a great player but he isnt (maybe can become one), dont think Welbeck would have done it better here at OT than he has there, and he hasnt been sublime there even.. He's miles above Falcao imo, but I really prefer RVP over him.
That was a nice gesture. Welbeck will probably never be a great player but you just cannot fault him for lack of effort. Even yesterday he put in a great shift and never stopped trying even though the occasion got to him initially.
Because he asked to leave and wasn't good enough to waste time convincing to stay? Saying he'd have done better than RvP or Falcao isn't saying much as they've both been horrendous. I thought Welbeck was quite average really and it was a bit strange how Arsenal players kept ignoring his runs and seemed to refuse to pass to him in some circumstances. Anyway he'll be back on the bench soon enough.
That traitor is past it man. He's useless. The sooner you lot sell him, the better for you.
Yep, agreed. Any striker in the world would be expected to score that. Welbeck hasn't done an awful lot all season if we're being honest.
4 league goals is it? Goes to show he wasn't the answer for our problems considering Giroud is still their main striker.
Not that bad, but not that good either. Also have to take into account that 3 of his goals were in one game (Galatasaray) so it doesn't really show he's much of a consistent goal scorer.
Not bad, although it's hardly great when people here were expecting him to suddenly transform into a 20-goal striker since he was supposedly going to a teams main striker.
It's not great at all. Look back through the thread and plenty believed that he would be banging in twenty a season when he moved. His all round play has actually been surprisingly poor a-lot of times when I've watched him. That's surprised me far more than his lack of goals.
How was he treated shabbily by the club?
Saying there is no service is the understatement of the century. Falcao and Van Persie has had plenty of service, but they are not good enough to convert it. A team that has Di Maraia(Europe leading chance creator last season), mata, Rooney and Herrera amongst the likes of Januzaj and Young (who is playing well this season) shows that service is/should not be an issue, but rather the movement, staticity and converting ability of the two strikers aforementioned.
Yeah, I largely agree with this. I think it's the home-grown aspect which seems to change it a bit. If Hernandez was a homegrown player and Welbeck wasn't, we'd have seen a lot more people desperate for him to stay.
This is a weird thing to say, given the general consensus, with regards to our football, is that it's the most boring it's been in a long time.
Disagree massively, di Maria offers service but Mata just plays simple balls (have argued this for a long time), Januzaj is more busy with diving and Young just puts in crosses and was injured when RVP was fit. Herrera over service but its obvious that he's more cautious than he was at the beginning of the season. Arsenal's service is at least twice as much.
Our football is being hindered by those players current ability and others(defenders ball playing ability, Fellaini one dimensional style of play, etc.). It is not a coincidence that a good number of United fans would not mind seeing them shown the door this summer. Bring in a striker that work hard, knows how to play incisive football and hold the play up front and the likes of Di Maria, Herrera, Rooney, etc., would look much better.
You are just making excuse to strengthen your argument. Saying Herrera offer service, but then backtracking and saying that he is more cautious does not make any sense to me. Mata is a number 10 and when he has runners in front of him, he is cable of creating. Young crosses are considered services and they are not as shit as they were under Moyes. Lastly, Januzaj does not dive the entire 90 minutes of a game. Arsenal has better balance and team cohesion as such, they are much more in sync then United players who looks like they are playing like individual. Like I stated before, team chemistry is one of the most important factors in football and having players who work hard as a team benefit the entire team performance.
Are people honestly upset that he celebrated? I far prefer that he be honest and show his emotions than go through some disingenuous, sombre routine, which never really convinces anybody. It was so much more satisfying when RVP celebrated scoring against Arsenal - the fans hate him no matter what, so why not celebrate? When Ronaldo scored against us, his non-celebration did little to salve the wound of his having just scored (although I'm sure a few desperate muppets saw it as a sign that he wanted to return.)
That'll be the same RVP who's scored more goals than him this season?
I don't believe it will change anything. A forward with the attributes you describe is not going to increase the tempo of our play, or decrease the number of silly mistakes our defense makes etc. We're in the process of rebuilding a team, and we should start from the base i.e. the defense. We could stick Aguero into this team, and he would do absolutely nothing as we'd create very little for him.
It's clear as day light that he's been ordered to be a bit more cautious in his passing, as he often loses the ball and that's something LVG doesnt like, that's why he keeps it more safe. But to just see that Cazorla, Ozil, Sanchez, Ox create more than our players is the easiest task a frequent football watches can do, I delibaretely dont know how you can argue that. There have been loads of matches in which we have managed less than 5 shots on target, dont thell me that has nothing to do with our midfielders and the service they give, please.
It's a sign of respect to the former club that a player can control himself after the adrenaline high that comes from scoring.
Blinkered Liverpool mentality. The 'x' player scores against former club' line is always a selling point for stories and it's something that is usually a talking point in matches when those two teams are facing. It'd have been the focus of the story regardless of which club it was. But yeah ABUs everywhere.
You are underestimating how bad Falcao and Van Persie has been
. Rooney in the small time upfront, has shown to benefit our attacking play thus far(in my opinion, it is not ideal to have him play as a lone striker). And while in pre-season we saw how fluid our play was with Welbeck alongside Rooney. Not celebrating has become a ludicrous charade that has feck all to do with respect and everything to do with self-aggrandisement.
Very little benefit, which isn't his fault. Rooney has scored three goals and two have been penalties. Fact is, we've been no better with Rooney upfront.You are underestimating how bad Falcao and Van Persie has been
