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m1y2

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Loublaze said:
Much better how? Have you watched Darmian through out his career to make such a claim? Im not saying I have, but look at their numbers. Rafael has played 169 senior career games with 5 goals. Darmian has played 195 with 7 goals. Rafael has played 11 more European games than Darmian but thats no surprise considering he played for United. Darmian still has 3 goals in Europe and Rafael had none.

Darmian is also first choice RB for Italy and represented them at the World cup in 2014, playing every minute of every game. Rafael's only senior tournament for Brazil was the 2012 London Olympics. Darmian won the Pallone Azzurro for being Italy's best national team player in 2014 and he was part of the Serie A team of the year in 2013/14. Rafael has won more medals obviously but Darmian has proved himself more individually. Darmian is only 7 months older than Rafael
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You are comparing them by the number of goals? What a weird comparison then, mainly they have about the same numbers but it's not about them.

We all know how odd decisions Scolari and co make in terms of team selection, there was always big competition past 5 years, Maicon, Alves being always favourites. Brazilians are very little fond of EPL unless the player is a big superstar.

I certainly didn't watch Darmian enough but something inside me tells me that it will take some time for Italian to adapt to the new league and that we should give Rafael proper chance under Van Gaal, maybe the gaffer was fed up with all the injuries Rafa had but he once reached world class level and since that he only struggled with injuries so it makes me feel that Darmian who goes only for 14m might not be at the level of Rafael's yet..

if Young/Fellaini could resurrect their careers than why not 25 yo Rafael, and Mr. Robbo Valencia stays I am really angry with the decision but hopefully Darmian will come good soon..
 

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One of my favourite players for the club. I thought he could have gone on to be our captain within a few years. Really disappointing to see him go, even though it has been on the cards all season.

I agree with @NoPace though, seems pointless to sell him when we now have another capable player for that position who is presumably going to be fit the majority of the time. Why not sell Valencia?
 

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One of my favorite players. :(

Really hope he goes elsewhere, has a injury free time and really proves LVG wrong.
 

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And you know what, we're going to sell him for less than 1m as well.
 

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he's shown plenty of talent but sadly he's also made of glass.

not surprised that he's being let go. good luck nonetheless in future rafael.
 

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Some people on the Caf love saying this as much as LvG loves saying "philosophy". Blackett's managed to rack up a bigger catalogue of costly errors in this season alone than Rafael has done in his United career.

If there's at least one good thing to come out of this, I hope it is that I don't have to see this ridiculous statement bandied about anymore.
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Some people on the Caf also like to target a young lad who's just breaking through into the first team, just like you've done there.
 

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m1y2 said:
You are comparing them by the number of goals? What a weird comparison then, mainly they have about the same numbers but it's not about them.

We all know how odd decisions Scolari and co make in terms of team selection, there was always big competition past 5 years, Maicon, Alves being always favourites. Brazilians are very little fond of EPL unless the player is a big superstar.

I certainly didn't watch Darmian enough but something inside me tells me that it will take some time for Italian to adapt to the new league and that we should give Rafael proper chance under Van Gaal, maybe the gaffer was fed up with all the injuries Rafa had but he once reached world class level and since that he only struggled with injuries so it makes me feel that Darmian who goes only for 14m might not be at the level of Rafael's yet..

if Young/Fellaini could resurrect their careers than why not 25 yo Rafael, and Mr. Robbo Valencia stays I am really angry with the decision but hopefully Darmian will come good soon..
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Rafael never reached world class level, only his biggest fans and the most optimistic United fans believe he ever did. He reached a very good level in 2010/11 but unfortunately he couldn't build on that. Darmian went for 14 yes...Rafael will go for way less at pretty much a similar stage in his career and he's won many trophies with United so whats your point? Are you using Darmian's transfer fee against him now? I used goals as an example to show that Darmian is probably more of a goal threat since you say Rafael is much better. Its just an aspect that sets them apart.

Once again, Darmian has proved himself at national level. You can make all the excuses you want about Rafael repeatedly not being called up to national duty for Brazil, but if he really reached world class level as you say, he should've even been considered for one of the last two world cups. He couldn't even make the confederations cup or COPA America squads FFS
 

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SirFergie said:
Some people on the Caf also like to target a young lad who's just breaking through into the first team, just like you've done there.
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That may be, though there's a difference in targeting and just bringing up an example when somebody is claiming some kind of Utd squad record for Rafa. Not sure if you meant to imply that I'm a part of some unsympathetic posse who unfairly trashes youngsters, but I'd like to distance myself from that.
 

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SirFergie said:
Some people on the Caf also like to target a young lad who's just breaking through into the first team, just like you've done there.
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Except Blackett will never be good enough to play for a club like United, while Rafa was clearly good enough. I still think he has the ability and I don't buy this 'rash' bullshit people keep spewing, in his earlier years, yes, now the only thing that's stopping him is injuries and LVG.
 

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That goal against Liverpool in Van Persie's first season.

Rafa and Fabio....I feel like they've been around forever, ever since their transfer to us was confirmed before they were even 18. Such a shame what happened.
 

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IrishLegend said:
Except Blackett will never be good enough to play for a club like United, while Rafa was clearly good enough. I still think he has the ability and I don't buy this 'rash' bullshit people keep spewing, in his earlier years, yes, now the only thing that's stopping him is injuries and LVG.
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He hardly played in the season just gone but in the season before that he played a fair few times and generally defended very poorly. I don't know why that seems to have been scratched from the record.
 

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He hardly played in the season just gone but in the season before that he played a fair few times and generally defended very poorly. I don't know why that seems to have been scratched from the record.
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The Moyes season is hardly a season to base players performances on though is it? Otherwise we might well have sold the whole team.
 

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He is the single player, perhaps bar DDG, who one could expect to put in 110% in every minute that he was on the pitch. For all his shortcomings (of which there are not as many as some people claim, I think), his attitude was exemplary. Not one movement would be half-hearted, a true United player if i've ever seen one. It's a shame he cannot stay fit to warrant a starting place, as he's clearly an extremely talented footballer.

If he does go, I wish him all the best in the future. I cannot believe the amount of people here who are being so indifferent with him.
 

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Darmian is such an improvement on Rafael. I liked the exuberance of Rafa but he still looks the defence liability he did three or four years ago under Fergie. Showed no noticeable improvement and I think he's best gone. Short of top class.
 

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He is the single player, perhaps bar DDG, who one could expect to put in 110% in every minute that he was on the pitch. For all his shortcomings (of which there are not as many as some people claim, I think), his attitude was exemplary. Not one movement would be half-hearted, a true United player if i've ever seen one. It's a shame he cannot stay fit to warrant a starting place, as he's clearly an extremely talented footballer.

If he does go, I wish him all the best in the future. I cannot believe the amount of people here who are being so indifferent with him.
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That's all a little bit over the top. He's a likeable player but let's not get carried away.
 

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Rafael over Valencia all day for me. But I don't work with the backroom staff so I have no idea how bad his injuries have affected him. Rafael under SAF was fantastic and should always have a place in the squad.
 

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After that performance earlier in the season I thought everything would work out in his favor.
 

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Was he really that much injured last season? He did have one that kept him out for a couple of months but first and foremost I just don't think LVG rated him.

Which is a shame as he's a great character and, for me at least, a very good player.
 

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IrishLegend said:
Except Blackett will never be good enough to play for a club like United, while Rafa was clearly good enough. I still think he has the ability and I don't buy this 'rash' bullshit people keep spewing, in his earlier years, yes, now the only thing that's stopping him is injuries and LVG.
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And you know this how? Answer is, you don't. He's 20. Time is on his side.

Precisely why LvG won't play him, he can't stay fit either by accident or design.
 

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That's all a little bit over the top. He's a likeable player but let's not get carried away.
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I'm not saying he was the best or anything like that. I simply meant that he was the player who would rarely, if ever, have a game where one could say that he didn't put in 100% effort. He had numerous lapses of concentration and stupid errors, but his determination and work-rate was always top-notch.
 

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I like Rafa but am also realistic about his future under LvG. We are moving in a different direction and its only fair if we move him on where he will have more opportunities to start.
 

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Would often shut down top class wingers. One on one he is brilliant. Very tough to dribble past.

He was an excellent outlet from deep. He could pick a pass quickly that would get the team going on the front foot. He could also dribble well and link with the winger.

His final ball was hit and miss bit remember Evra actually was not a good crossed or shooter even in his amazing prime.

I always thought Rafael was similar to Evra and could reach his level if he didn't get injured so much.
 

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A very likeable player, but ultimately like others who have departed this summer...just not a reliable fixture in the team.

No hard feelings towards him, but a move is probably in his own best interests.
 
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