Neymar

[Crustanoid]

First of all, we are increasingly becoming the biggest joke in the transfer market of all time.

This farcical situation just has me laughing every time I open this thread. It was bad enough with our woeful handling of the Pedro deal, but to move from that to this situation has made us look like even bigger fools than we would have been if we'd have just held our hands up to say 'the Pedro cock-up was a big mistake and we are moving on and trying to rectify it by targeting someone more achievable'.

Any links for us to Neymar are highly questionable as it is, but if Woodward seriously wants to waste valuable remaining time in the transfer window pursuing and then failing to sign Neymar, then any future problems over the course of the season need to be at least partially attributed to his actions.

For that money we could be finishing off our squad. A top winger, forward and goalkeeper in the making would set us right up for the season (off the top of my head, Greizman, Lacazette / Kane and Lloris would come considerably cheaper).

Or otherwise maybe this is designed to make us so that we don't care about transfers the quality of the squad or anything for the time being.

 

[golden_blunder]

First of all, we are increasingly becoming the biggest joke in the transfer market of all time.

Talk about an OTT reaction. Get a grip

 

[Ixion]

I think Woodward is obsessed with breaking the transfer world record he just needs to find a club to take our money,

 

[SammyUnited_83]

Getting a little sick of reading the phrases 'embarrassment' and 'laughing stock', get a fecking grip.

Love or hate Woodward / LvG they are targeting, trying to buy one of the elite players in the game, whether that be Neymar, Ronaldo, Bale, Mueller. I can't see the issue in at least asking the question, I struggle to have a pop at someone that is trying to take the club forward - regardless of whether a transfer is realistic or not, if one of these comes off then we are right back in the mix.

I can't remember many fans giving us credit when we were signing Bebe, Obertan, Diouf etc, if anything we were much more of an 'embarrassment' then, and that's when we still had the biggest manager in the game.

Woodward, might be a little aspirational, but I would rather have that, than a chief exec who is happy to search for value.

 

[JB08]

900 posts in a couple days

 

[Godfather]

The amount of United Memes floating around is a bit annoying. We seem to be a bit of a laughing stock atm.

 

[SammyUnited_83]

I think Woodward is obsessed with breaking the transfer world record he just needs to find a club to take our money,

Most definitely, all the noises that Woodward has made suggests to me there is a blank cheque waiting to be handed over for someone. I genuinely think something will happen for us over the next week, perhaps hinging on getting through tomorrow.

 

[cctop94]

I think Woodward is obsessed with breaking the transfer world record he just needs to find a club to take our money,

100% its like he needs his ego fix. Its burning a hole in his pocket!

 

[Ixion]

It's probably a profile thing though. Real are always the ones breaking the record and signing the biggest players. Woodward wants us to be regarded on the same level. If Bayern turned round and asked for 82m for Muller he'd probably offer 90m just for the sake of it.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Here you go:

Or, alternatively, we can just say that it goes up by an average of 35% every 2.5 years or so, which gives us:

2013 - £85,300,000
2016 - £115,155,000
2018 - £155,459,250
2021 - £209,869,988
2023 - £283,324,483
2026 - £382,488,052
2028 - £516,358,870
2031 - £697,084,475
2033 - £941,064,041
2036 - £1,270,436,456

Good work. A*.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Does he definitely have a release clause?
If so, whats to stop us meeting this clause and speaking to the player directly?
Or is that what people think is already happening?

Yes, he has a release clause - £140million.
If we meet the clause and he's open to talks, Barcelona cannot stop us. As with Herrera, he can pay the buy out and make his dream move.

 

[glazed]

I think Woodward is obsessed with breaking the transfer world record he just needs to find a club to take our money,

I think saying he'll pay record silly money and actually doing so are very different things.

 

[Revan]

Well they are obviously the few well-opined then.

Ronaldo hasn't been the prettiest footballer to watch for a few years. People will say it doesn't matter, simply because he scores 50 goals a season, which in itself is fair. However, the moment one of those other more pretty players start putting up numbers like his, he loses that edge over them in my opinion. Neymar got 43 goals last season. That is enough to take out the goalscoring argument. Especially as Ronaldo plays for a team who get a load of dodgy pens which form a portion of his goals, with tap-ins making a large part of the others.

Neymar has the grace, flair AND the end product. He's stepped up in pressure situations, carrying the monster of Brasil on his back, scoring goals in both legs of the CL semis and the CL final itself, and finishing top scorer in the tournament. Anyone not going based off names alone would agree that Neymar has been a better footballer than Ronaldo since the last World Cup at least in my opinion.

Sorry, but no. It is still a difference of 22 goals, more than what the top scorer of all but 6-8 clubs in European top leagues score.

 

[Dirty Schwein]

Not satisfied with the usual one man muppet mode, this years muppet transfer has spread across the globe

 

[Earthquake]

Getting a little sick of reading the phrases 'embarrassment' and 'laughing stock', get a fecking grip.

Love or hate Woodward / LvG they are targeting, trying to buy one of the elite players in the game, whether that be Neymar, Ronaldo, Bale, Mueller. I can't see the issue in at least asking the question, I struggle to have a pop at someone that is trying to take the club forward - regardless of whether a transfer is realistic or not, if one of these comes off then we are right back in the mix.

I can't remember many fans giving us credit when we were signing Bebe, Obertan, Diouf etc, if anything we were much more of an 'embarrassment' then, and that's when we still had the biggest manager in the game.

Woodward, might be a little aspirational, but I would rather have that, than a chief exec who is happy to search for value.

I'm embarrassed, devastated even, that we're after the best players in the world.

We should be ringing up Chelsea and asking a price on Victor Moses.

 

[Revan]

The point is, due to Ronaldo not looking that good in other areas of his game - Neymar does not need to match his total to be considered better.

Doesn't Ronaldo make also more assists than Neymar?

Obviously, Messi doesn't need to match Ronaldo goals in order to be considered the better player, considering that his all roung game is so much better. But Neymar on the other side doesn't have so much better all round play, and the difference in goals is too big.

 

[Revan]

Here you go:

Or, alternatively, we can just say that it goes up by an average of 35% every 2.5 years or so, which gives us:

2013 - £85,300,000
2016 - £115,155,000
2018 - £155,459,250
2021 - £209,869,988
2023 - £283,324,483
2026 - £382,488,052
2028 - £516,358,870
2031 - £697,084,475
2033 - £941,064,041
2036 - £1,270,436,456

Linear regression?

 

[Revan]

If this amount on one player (who doesn't solve most of the small problems with the squad IMO) why not instead:

Reus £35-45mil
Aymeric Laporte £20mil (converting the release clause from euros)

Two top young players who who play in two areas where we could do with more quality.

Neymar is happy at Barca and cost a lot of effort and time(as well as illegal moves) to sign, Barca aren't gonna sell him and he won't leave there for Manchester. We really are wasting our time if we are seriously pursuing this one.

He also isn't a LVG type player unfortunately for the same reasons that Angel Di Maria also wasn't.

Reus would most likely cost the double of that amount, while Laporte has a release clause of 50m euros which is around 36m pounds.

 

[Earthquake]

Doesn't Ronaldo make also more assists than Neymar?

Obviously, Messi doesn't need to match Ronaldo goals in order to be considered the better player, considering that his all roung game is so much better. But Neymar on the other side doesn't have so much better all round play, and the difference in goals is too big.

Ronalso isn't exactly shit outside the box either, some of this talk you'd swear he was some midtable Prem clogger who poaches a lot, ffs.

 

[Striker10]

We can't help it if the media link us to these players? So this 'embarrassment talk' is retarded. If we were speaking to the player, I doubt it's for now but you still talk to the players. What's retarded is these players having 'buy out clauses'. What's retarded is the supporters who seem immune to the fact, it's all about money for these players. "Oh I love the club...now increase my wage bitches." I think most United fans are sensible and just want the improvements done but everything is a process. The only reason 'United' are getting stung is by idiots who think they're superior. They never had a manager of their club for 25 years. We've had that twice in our history. Now i'm not sure entirely the direction the club wants to go in. I don't think anyone does, but the retards are the people who dismiss the club. The only issue here is Madrid started this retarded mentality - and they saw it through and that enticed players. Does the player himself actually 'believe' we'll get the deal done? All we had to do with Ramos, is pay what Madrid asked and then it's in the players hands - but we weren't willing. I don't think we entirely 'wanted' him but you'll still get people saying 'we were used'.

I don't think anyone would want someone at the club, who's pride is for sale and I don't think people want players, who talk out their ass. So what can the club do? If there is an immature element out there, then that says more about them then anything else. Barcelona are a great Club. United are a great club. I can understand if United were interested. Are they wrong to open their mouth? Are they wrong to risk ridicule? No, they're not. Form is temporary, class is permanent. Enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[The Purley King]

Yes, he has a release clause - £140million.
If we meet the clause and he's open to talks, Barcelona cannot stop us. As with Herrera, he can pay the buy out and make his dream move.

Lets go for it then! £350k a week should get his attention and we can afford that no question given the high earners we've offloaded recently.
If it doesn't work I don't see how that makes us a laughing stock, no harm in asking the question.

 

[Sir A1ex]

Linear regression?

Exponential, dear Watson.

 

[Shark]

We clearly have next to unlimited money to throw around. I don't see the harm in testing waters. If I was Woody, I'd probably do the same.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

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Josep Maria Bartomeu on Neymar: "We want him to stay for many years, three, five, ten or even 15 years more with us."

 

[The Purley King]

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Josep Maria Bartomeu on Neymar: "We want him to stay for many years, three, five, ten or even 15 years more with us."

Doesn't matter if we meet the release clause.........

 

[Raoul]

Sounds like a completely invented story that's been spurred on by clickbait stories and fans desparate for a big transfer.

 

[Twisted_Woody]

Can we pay the debt off with this instead?

 

[17 Van der Gouw]

How many times are these non-stories going to make us look like absolute mugs?

 

[BAMSOLA]

Reus would most likely cost the double of that amount, while Laporte has a release clause of 50m euros which is around 36m pounds.

You are right about Laporte's release clause I took my amount from Wiki which I guess is outdated.

Reus however won't cost over 50mil and will probably end up moving to Spain within the next three windows for fractionally less to one of the big two. If we pursued him aggressively as we did Bastian we could get him for around the 40mil mark as Dortmund know they can't keep him there forever and failing a move to Spain he will probably end up at Bayern strengthening their nearest competitor.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Sounds like a completely invented story that's been spurred on by clickbait stories and fans desparate for a big transfer.

Great thing is, all just be revealed in a few days.

 

[sajeev]

why are Barcelona denying this?

 

[Brown Toothpick]

why are Barcelona denying this?

Doing you a favour.

 

[Sir A1ex]

why are Barcelona denying this?

guess they have to try and save face. They're not fooling anybody though, this one is in the bag.

 

[Mindhunter]

I think this thread is proof of what Woodward said a while back. "We can do things in the transfer market that other clubs can dream of".

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Im going to put my neck out and say it: we will or will not sign Neymar in the next few days.

 

[fatboy]

I don't doubt we've got renewed financial muscle thanks to all the sponsorship money. But waving it around like this when the transfer window is about to close is just not being smart. There are clearly nuances in the transfer market that Woody still hasn't grasped.

 

[sajeev]

Doing you a favour.

guess they have to try and save face. They're not fooling anybody though, this one is in the bag.

meant more in the sense of why are they even bothering, but i guess it is just reporting which will fuel this story for a while

 

[Rado_N]

How many times are these non-stories going to make us look like absolute mugs?

They only make us look like mugs to the numpties who believe every bullshit story they read.

 

[NoLogo]

Im going to put my neck out and say it: we will or will not sign Neymar in the next few days.

I'm going to add that Messi will follow him or won't follow him a day or two later.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

I'm going to add that Messi will follow him or won't follow him a day or two later.

That's really bold.