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TEAM JOGA BONITO
TEAM INVICTUS
TEAM INVICTUS
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He's also rated among the top 5 stoppers in the history of the German national team:
Weber's central defensive partner and the brain of the backline is one of the greatest defenders in the history of football - former Argentine legend, captain of the national team, Copa Libertadores and Intercontinental Cup winning defensive stalwart Roberto Perfumo - who was known as 'El Mariscal' or The Marshall of defense, for his ability to single-handedly control the entire defensive line, lead the back four with his tactical insight and vocal presence, and having the knack for always being in the right place at the right time to avert danger. His positioning skills and intuition for defense were a sight to behold, and infact, he was considered the best central defender in South America behind only Elías Figueroa for the bulk of the 1960s, and the greatest Argentina defender of all time after two time World Cup winner, Daniel Passarella. It's no coincidence that he's an ever-present figure in almost every Argentina all time XI.
Maradona on his fellow Argentine legend:
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2002/may/19/worldcupfootball2002.football2[Perfumo] is regarded as Argentina's most elegant, shrewdest, toughest defender. His only rival is Daniel Passarella. Maradona's verdict? 'Forget Passarella. Perfumo was our real Kaiser.'
Poor Aldo
I thought you were going to vote for Skizzo when I saw thisWent for joga, after reading his write up on netzer in the game against skizzo. Meant to vote then for him too but couldnt be online in time.
Anyway, don't vote for me just because of my write-up/effort alone , that makes me feel bad and it's not like Invictus hasn't put in a lot of work too. Just vote for the better team mate.Sorry @Skizzo, I just got home now. Bad day in office(Yes, I had to go in on a weekend too )
btw, I didn't miss your game vs Aldo? When is it?This is close! Wow to both teams.
Our write up is with Aldo since day before. He should have had ample time writing a line by line counter to our tactics, huh @Aldo?btw, I didn't miss your game vs Aldo? When is it?
Bonev was always quite famous for his ability to be a play-maker from wider areas mate. Modern football sometimes has a tendency to pigeon hole certain players into extremely myopic roles, which doesn't do multi positional experts like Bonev any justice. And not just the left flank, he was quite adept on the right flank too.Anyway @Invictus that's a fine team right there. Straight off the bat, I'm not quite sure whether that is an optimal role for Bonev in an outside left role, esp with the rather defensive minded Rildo as the left back behind him. From what I've seen of him, he seems like an elegant central playmaker with fine ball-carrying abilities and a keen eye for goal. Ultimately, imo, that fairly narrow left side results in a fairly lopsided side which might prove to be slightly detrimental to the fluidity that you are trying to achieve overall.
The way I see it is that I'd have the edge in the possession stakes here, with the best player on the pitch in Beckenabauer and arguably the best playmaker on the pitch in Netzer (van Hanegem was the more all-round playmaker but in terms of pure playmaking I'd give Netzer the edge myself) - a proven combo to boot too. Tbf, Invictus is well within his rights to claim otherwise given that he sports an excellent creative trio in Mazzola-van Hanegem-Haan but it's hard to overlook Beckenbauer-Netzer who blended incisive and possession football to perfection for the 1972 German vintage.Think I said this last match, Mazzola and Eusebio are not complimentary at all. Both prefer to attack from Inside Right channel and I certainly think pushing Eusebio left will not get the best out of him. Add in a cutting in Jairzinho, it'll be a lot of overlaps.
Still with van Hanegem too, he has loads of individual star power to hammer in a goal. I think Wimmer is a bit out matched in here. Kaizer would help out ofc, but I think Invictus will still get a score or two.
Not sure who has the edge. Will read more...
Fair enough, then. He really was a quality player and he was impressive whenever I managed to catch him in the WC matches. Will try and dig up more on him later to see how he functioned from a wider role.Bonev was always quite famous for his ability to be a play-maker from wider areas mate. Modern football sometimes has a tendency to pigeon hole certain players into extremely myopic roles, which doesn't do multi positional experts like Bonev any justice. And not just the left flank, he was quite adept on the right flank too.
Also, whilst Rildo was defensive minded, he was defensive minded for a Brazilian leftback, which is probably balanced for the attacking standards of football everywhere else (even scored in his Brazil debut after surging forward!). He will definitely try to overlap when the opportunity arises, no doubt about it. One could compare him to a Marzolini for example. Not qualitatively, of course, Silvio is arguably a Top 10 all time contender for fullbacks. But in the sense that he won't shirk his defensive responsibilities whilst also participating in the attacking game.
Furthermore, I can also create width with Van Hanegem and Eusébio operating in their favored left channels. Width is more than covered IMO.
Yes, I would largely agree with that. From what I've seen of him he'd handle a wide-ish playmaker role very well – both left and right, as you suggest. From out wide he'll be able to function as an actual crosser (aiming for runners into the box) as well. So, in short, I easily buy him in that role as long as it's clear that he isn't playing some sort of traditional winger part (and I believe you've made it sufficiently clear that he isn't).Bonev was always quite famous for his ability to be a play-maker from wider areas mate. Modern football sometimes has a tendency to pigeon hole certain players into extremely myopic roles, which doesn't do multi positional experts like Bonev any justice. And not just the left flank, he was quite adept on the right flank too.
Not that you mention it, the arrow does seem a bit weird. Though a lot of times, this whole ShareMyTactics shtick can be ambiguous. Basically, I just wanted to convey that he can choose to go vertically if he wanted to, maybe attempt a few crosses; apart from drifting in, otherwise he would look like some monotonous one trick pony that just goes in one direction. Maybe one of the arrows should've been slightly blurred compared to others to adequately portray that.What could be said, though, it that the actual formation pic has him precariously close to the chalk - in other words, just going by the illustration, one could easily think he's supposed to play as a (traditional) winger who cuts in a bit. And that would be a stretch, I reckon.
But it's a criticism of the pic - not of the actual role you have in mind for him.
Yeah, those formation sites are severely lacking in many ways - very hard to actually get more subtle points across, as it were.Not that you mention it, the arrow does seem a bit weird. Though a lot of times, this whole ShareMyTactics shtick can be ambiguous. Basically, I just wanted to convey that he can choose to go vertically if he wanted to, maybe attempt a few crosses; apart from drifting in, otherwise he would look like some monotonous one trick pony that just goes in one direction. Maybe one of the arrows should've been slightly blurred compared to others to adequately portray that.
The semifinal was supposed to be played in Liverpool, where Portugal was ensconced, but it was hurriedly shifted to Wembley, outside London, for its great capacity. Playing in its national stadium, England seemed truly at home. The match ended in a 2-1 win for England, Eusébio himself scored his ninth goal of the World Cup in the third-place victory over the Soviet Union, the fourth highest in a single edition behind Just Fontaine, Sandor Kocsis, and Gerd Muller; winning 1966 FIFA World Cup Golden Shoe, and the Bronze Ball. People in England were so impressed by Eusébio's performances that he was immediately added to Madame Tussaud's collection of waxwork.That was the best game of my life in a Portugal jersey,” Eusébio said. “It left its mark on me.
At the time of Eusébio's passing :In a metaphorical passing of the torch after the game, Di Stéfano passed his shirt to the young Portuguese.
“Di Stéfano’s shirt is still the most prized possession I have from football. I held onto it tight! When the fans lifted me into the air, I had one hand waving at everyone and the other was squeezing the shirt very tight. In my innocence, the most important thing for me was to have my idol’s shirt.” - Eusébio.
Eusébio was one of the finest players I had the privilege to play against. Not only that, he was a true sportsman, as he proved in applauding Alex Stepney for his save in the 1968 European Cup final. His goals record is incredible and stands the test of time. I met him on many occasions after our playing careers had finished and he always represented his club and his country in exemplary fashion. I feel proud to have been both an opponent and friend. - Sir Bobby Charlton.
He's a man that doesn't belong to Benfica, doesn't belong to a club, he belongs to a country and I prefer to say that people like him are immortal, because their history and their legacy remains forever. - Jose Mourinho.
One of the greatest football players ever has passed away. - Franz Beckenbauer.
O rei! Great loss for all of us! The greatest! - Luis Figo.
He was a football genius, an example of humility, an excellent athlete, a generous and supportive man. He was for all the fans an example of professionalism, determination and dedication. - Ronaldo
That is a good point but Byshovets was much more of an inside forward, second-striker-ish player than a wide presence like Gadocha. He was someone who occasionally loved dropping to the flank but he was someone who ideally loved occupying the channels. Ball was a player who loved operating in vast swathes of the pitch and he has the freedom to impose himself on the match, with Reaney in a more reserved role and Byshovets being primarily a wide forward who loved cutting in, exploiting the flanks etc.I find that Ball/Byshovets "combo" interesting. One potential problem there, just a first impression, is that if you want to unleash Ball fully, he would tend to work than flank - even if he's being deployed as more of a CM per default. In other words, you could be accused of fielding both a right-ish midfielder AND a right winger (albeit one who cuts in plenty).
It could work, though - it certainly could. Ball is one of them neither-fish-nor-fowl players (but in a good way) which I personally have a lot of time for.
The world had to wait for 12 years, before they saw the return of a Mazzola on the football pitch after the Turin air crash, as Sandro made his debut for Inter against Juventus in 1961. The life of son, whose father has been a legend, is never easy. People expect you to carry the legacy of your father. Everything that Sandro did on the football pitch was compared with Valentino. He had to take lots of criticism in his early days as a footballer. Renowned coach Helenio Herrera was managing Inter at that time. Alongside the likes of former Barcelona midfielder Luis Suárez, Mario Corso, Armando Picchi and the great Giacinto Facchetti, Sandro would form the backbone of 'La Grande Inter', a team that would go on to dominate Italian football and the European game in the 1960s under the great Helenio Herrera. His name was etched in the history books after a superb performance in the European Cup final against the mighty Real Madrid in which he scored two goals in a 3-1 win over the Los Blancos and helped his club lift the trophy for the first time in their entire history.Sandro Mazzola in La Grande Inter : Bottom row, second from the right.
Blessed with superb creativity, sensational dribbling skills, and a natural feel for the game helped by his passing range and close control, Sandro Mazzola became one of the greatest footballers of all time. He often played as a creative attacking midfielder, or a support striker, or an inside forward; and did impressive quality in defensive game. He then scored in the Intercontinental Cup to help Inter to victory. His personal influence was even more colourfully vivid as he helped the club lift the 1964 European Cup as the tournament’s joint top-scorer. A year later the Nerazzurri would defend their crown against Benfica, Mazzola again proving to be the catalyst in attack.I played against your father. You did him proud and I want to give you my shirt. – Ferenc Puskas after the game.
One of Italy's finest attacking midfielders, Mazzola starred at the 1970 FIFA World Cup but the 1968 UEFA European Championship was arguably his finest hour for the Azzurri. Injured for the final, he recovered for the replay and masterminded a 2-0 victory over Yugoslavia. Partly to avoid comparisons with his father Valentino, the team captain who died with so many of the great Torino FC side in the 1949 Superga air disaster, Mazzola joined FC Internazionale Milano rather than the Granata. He spent his entire career at Inter, making 564 appearances and winning a host of honours, including back-to-back European Champion Clubs' Cups in 1964 and 1965.
Not much of an achievement, eh?he is undoubtedly the greatest Portuguese Player of the 10th century
That's a fair point to bring up. My initial thought would be this:Think I said this last match, Mazzola and Eusebio are not complimentary at all. Both prefer to attack from Inside Right channel and I certainly think pushing Eusebio left will not get the best out of him. Add in a cutting in Jairzinho, it'll be a lot of overlaps.
He didn't score that match, did he? And, I don't recall Eusebio ever playing with a Mazzola type player behind him (Happy to be proved wrong) Either he was that player behind Torres or there were none. For me, the big thing about Eusebio was his pace. His powerful runs and thunderous shot were the famous aspects of his game play and in this role, I don't see much of both happening. Yes, he could play this role and will do a good job there, but can he score to win? Maybe, maybe not.However, if we look at another famous match, featuring a more mature Eusebio - the '68 final against United - he's simply the main focal point of the attack, operating as the main striker by most definitions.
You are severely underestimating the impact of Beckenbauer and Netzer and the proven combo that they were. Anyone who's ever watched the Germany 1972 (their greatest national team ever) play would never agree with that statement. I've watched all their matches and I'm obviously biased here, so I'd tag neutrals who've probably watched those matches themselves @Brwned @Balu and I'm sure would back up my statements.PS: Not sure how Joga will have an edge in possession to be honest (like he mentioned in one post), unless it's passing at the back in defense, when they'll be playing with fire against Eusébio and Jairzinho. Van Hanegem, Haan, Mazzola were brilliant in possession; so I'm lost on the opinion that Wimmer and Ball can necessarily compete with that, no slight on either player mind. I'm also not too sold on the thought that Netzer is a better playmaker than the Mazzola-Van Hanegem axis, which is easily the best creative combo on the pitch. Infact I'm not even sold on the thought that Netzer was a superior play-maker than Mazzola. The way I see it, Rivera was the best pure play-maker of the era. And Mazzola-Netzer were on the following level.
Heh - no.He didn't score that match, did he?
It's been a long long time since I watched that match but I could have sworn that Jose Torres was playing as the centre-forward in that match. Or perhaps I'm mixing that game with the AC Milan final that Benfica played.That's a fair point to bring up. My initial thought would be this:
If you look at the early 60s Benfica incarnation, Eusebio worked his magic mainly in that channel you mention - behind or alongside a straight-ass striker. In other words, a role not unlike the one Mazzola played for Inter. If you watch the famous '67 final against Celtic, for instance, that would seem to be precisely the role he plays - behind the straight-ass Cappellini.
However, if we look at another famous match, featuring a more mature Eusebio - the '68 final against United - he's simply the main focal point of the attack, operating as the main striker by most definitions.