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40s Retro Football Fantasy Draft | Finished

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Aldo 1. Best 2. Chumpitaz 3. Pirri 4. Israel 5. Ademir da Guia
Chesterlestreet 1. Pelé 2. Greaves 3. Bremner 4. Corso 5. E. Hughes
RedTiger 1. Beckenbauer 2. Oblak 3. Maier 4. Fischer 5. McNeill
Skizzo/Pat_Mustard 1. Cruyff 2. Keizer 3. Olsen 4. Gemmell 5. Murdoch
Gol123 1. Van Hanegem 2. Overath 3. Johnstone 4. Hulshoff 5. Kindvall
Invictus 1. Eusébio 2. Mazzola 3. Haan 4. Suurbier 5. Perfumo
Balu 1. G. Müller 2. Vogts 3. Rensenbrink 4. Dobrin 5. Benetti
ctp 1. Rivelino 2. Marzolini 3. Jansen 4. Heynckes 5. Höttges
crappycraperson 1. Moore 2. Tostão 3. Bene 4. Van Moer 5. Khurtsilava
Gio/Theon 1. Figueroa 2. Cubillas 3. Deyna 4. Clodoaldo 5. Bulgarelli
NM/EAP 1. Facchetti 2. Riva 3. Jair 4. Stiles 5. Luis Pereira
sallycinnamin 1. Jairzinho 2. Zoff 3. B Dietz 4. Giles 5.
harms 1. Krol 2. Florian Albert 3. Van Himst 4. Roth 5.
Tuppet 1. Rivera 2. Džajić 3. Shesternyov 4. Causio 5.
Joga Bonito 1. Law 2. Netzer 3. A.Ball 4. Wimmer 5.
Marty1968 1. Gerson 2. Carlos Alberto 3. Rosato 4. Schwarzenbeck 5.
 

Balu

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I sorta agree.

What do others say, should we stick to the normal voting for this one and try the scoreline stuff in the next one?
Yes. I think voting has to be as simple as possible. Never been a fan of all the ideas anyway.
 

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sally has 1 post in the thread so far. Kind of wish it was none. Doubt anyone has gone through a draft without posting. Let's see if he shows up in the match thread. :D
 

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sally has 1 post in the thread so far. Kind of wish it was none. Doubt anyone has gone through a draft without posting. Let's see if he shows up in the match thread. :D
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It would be fun, if sally didn't post the pick but sent it to Edgar instead :D
 

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Chesterlestreet 1. Pelé 2. Greaves 3. Bremner 4. Corso 5. E. Hughes
RedTiger 1. Beckenbauer 2. Oblak 3. Maier 4. Fischer 5. McNeill
Skizzo/Pat_Mustard 1. Cruyff 2. Keizer 3. Olsen 4. Gemmell 5. Murdoch
Gol123 1. Van Hanegem 2. Overath 3. Johnstone 4. Hulshoff 5. Kindvall
Invictus 1. Eusébio 2. Mazzola 3. Haan 4. Suurbier 5. Perfumo
Balu 1. G. Müller 2. Vogts 3. Rensenbrink 4. Dobrin 5. Benetti
ctp 1. Rivelino 2. Marzolini 3. Jansen 4. Heynckes 5. Höttges
crappycraperson 1. Moore 2. Tostão 3. Bene 4. Van Moer 5. Khurtsilava
Gio/Theon 1. Figueroa 2. Cubillas 3. Deyna 4. Clodoaldo 5. Bulgarelli
NM/EAP 1. Facchetti 2. Riva 3. Jair 4. Stiles 5. Luis Pereira
sallycinnamin 1. Jairzinho 2. Zoff 3. B Dietz 4. Giles 5. Buchan
harms 1. Krol 2. Florian Albert 3. Van Himst 4. Roth 5.
Tuppet 1. Rivera 2. Džajić 3. Shesternyov 4. Causio 5.
Joga Bonito 1. Law 2. Netzer 3. A.Ball 4. Wimmer 5.
Marty1968 1. Gerson 2. Carlos Alberto 3. Rosato 4. Schwarzenbeck 5.
 

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Franz Beckenbauer, Gerd Müller, Sepp Maier. These are just some of the most successful and celebrated German footballers of all time, winning just about everything there was to win with club and country. Horst Blankenburg on the other hand is not a name that immediately springs to mind when discussing Germany’s most successful footballers but certainly merits a mention, at least at club level. Yet, few remember or know much about the man that never quite fit in in Germany and had to leave his home country to truly make a name for himself.

Being known more in the Netherlands than in Germany is not the only thing that made Horst Blankenburg so interesting though. Blankenburg played in and won three European Cup finals with Ajax Amsterdam along with several other domestic and continental competitions. He was one of the most successful German footballers of his era yet never featured once for his national team. Blankenburg was also one of the most skilled footballers of his time and an outstanding libero but various circumstances steered him onto another path. To many German football supporters, and the history books to an extent, Blankenburg very much remains a forgotten man.

The national team was not the only or first time Blankenburg was “left out”. After starting his football career with VfL Heidenheim in which he impressed at various youth levels he was picked up by Max Merkel and brought to FC Nürnberg in 1967. The timing was perfect. Nürnberg finished the season as champions but young Blankenburg only played in 13 matches (none of them were in the league) and didn’t particularly feel he added anything to their success. Of course, this was not by his own choosing as he had been involved in a car accident the previous summer which kept him in the hospital for three months. It wasn’t the start a young player was hoping for so he left for Wiener Sportklub in Austria for a year.

Fit and eager to play, Blankenburg impressed in Austria and finished runners up with the club. It was enough to secure him a move back to Germany and 1860 München. Unlike Nürnberg though, 1860 would not enjoy the same kind of success and would get relegated at the end of the 1969/70 season. Blankenburg played 31 matches though and even scored a goal. Playing in the Regionalliga the following season wasn’t Blankenburg’s only problem. Not one to keep quiet when he disagreed with someone he ran into his share of problems with 1860 coach Hans Tilkowski. All the while, his rebellious outspoken nature never quite seemed to fit in at 1860 and even had his encounters with the authorities in München.

Then, out of nowhere, fortune favored the dissatisfied Blankenburg. After a match against VfR Mannheim, a stranger tapped him on the shoulder. That man was Bobby Harms, fitness coach and assistant at Ajax Amsterdam, then under Rinus Michels. Ajax scouts had already come to watch Blankenburg in a 3-0 win against Borussia Dortmund six months earlier after which they asked if he could imagine himself playing there. This time, Harms told Blankenburg they were looking for a libero after Velibor Vasovic made it clear he wanted to leave Ajax for Paris St. Germain. In reality, Vasovic had to retire due to health reasons. Not all that enthusiastic about keeping the problem child in München, a week later 1860 was happy to finalize the deal. They would receive 320,000 DM for Blankenburg, then a record amount of the club and on December 14, 1970, Blankenburg’s adventure in Amsterdam would begin. With a football revolution of its own going on at Ajax at the time the two seemed a match made in heaven.

Sure enough, Blankenburg fit like a glove and in the next three years would win everything there was to win with the club. The all conquering Ajax would go on to win the European Cup and the Dutch league three successive times, the UEFA Supercup twice and the intercontinental cup once. Blankenburg played a big part in that success. In his time there, he distinguished himself as one of the best defenders and liberos in Europe and exuded Ajax’ total football philosophy. In that same time period, Helmut Schön was building a national team without as much of an ounce of consideration for Blankenburg. Indeed, Schön shunned players who had left the Bundesliga to play abroad and never forgave Günter Netzer for moving to Real Madrid in 1972.


Blankenburg and Ajax in 1973 (top row sixth from the left)

Schön did offer Blankenburg a shred of hope but the way things played out may have added to a great void that lingers in him to this day. A year before the 1974 World Cup, Blankenburg was chosen as part of a selection of Europe’s best players. Ironically enough, the team was coached by Schön. After the match, Schön even told him after that match that he would get his chance but Blankenburg never heard back from him. To this day, he remains the only player to be included in such a team without a single cap for his country. Maybe the national team coach was uncomfortable because I always spoke my mind” Blankenburg said years later and he might be right. It may also have had to do with a response he gave a journalist after he quoted Schön saying that he never liked Blankenburg. Suffice to say, his response was anything but flattering to Schön and may have been decisive to a coach that always emphasized respect and humility in his players. Without him knowing, his dream of playing for his country died that year.
 

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Blankenburg would get his revenge though. Well, sort of. Ajax were drawn against the great Bayern München in the quarterfinal of the European Cup in 1973. The first leg of that tie still remains one of Ajax’ crowning moments and one of Bayern’s biggest defeats in European history. It is also symbolic in this case because it was against a club whose key players made up the core of the very national team Blankenburg was so undeservedly refused access to.

Suffice to say, Blankenburg played like a man possessed. After the departure of Michels, Stefan Kovacs infused an even greater freedom to play and attack than his predecessor and Blankenburg’s game benefited tremendously. After weathering an early storm in which Bayern looked very dangerous on the counter and had the better chances, Ajax slowly started getting into their game and began overwhelming Bayern. Despite the one sided scoreline at the end, Bayern were probably the better side in the first 30 minutes. Nevertheless, some wasteful finishing from Bayern and great defending from Ajax, and Blankenburg, kept the score level at half time.

The second half was one of the greatest 45 minutes in European Cup history. Haan opened the scoring just 8 minutes after the break after Maier spilled a shot and the floodgates opened. Bayern’s passes no longer connected, they looked nervous and relied on hopeful counter attacks. Ajax took complete control of the game and never looked back. Mühren added the second with a brilliant volley from outside the box and within seconds Haan scored the third off a corner. Cruyff topped it all off a minute from time but it could have been even worse for Bayern. Rep was taken down by Schwarzenbeck in the box midway through the second half but referee Rudolf Scheurer waived it off. It was as resigned and deflated as Bayern would look in a long time. Sepp Maier considers that performance as his worst to this day. Also, there was no question as to who the better libero was on the day and it was not Beckenbauer.

Ajax went on to eliminate Real Madrid in the semis and beat Juventus in the final to win their third successive European Cup. More importantly for Blankenburg, he felt at home, both off and on the pitch. The exuberance and freedom of Ajax’ system suited him perfectly. “The team was so strong that it made playing a lot of fun” he said. Blankenburg was not restricted and encouraged to attack and play his natural game. “We played five meters behind the halfway line”, unheard of from defenders at the time. But Blankenburg’s strength was not just his offensive game. He knew when to reign it in as well and against stronger attacking opponents his defending was up there with the best. Borussia Mönchengladbach coach Hennes Weisweiler called him the ideal modern libero but no matter the praise, he was never going to supplant Germany’s poster child, Beckenbauer.

After five successful years with Ajax, Blankenburg returned to the Germany after signing with Hamburg. He would spend the next two seasons there and despite winning the Cup in 1976 and the Cup Winner’s Cup the following year under coach Kuno Klözler he missed the “relaxed attitudes of the Dutch and Johan Cruyff.” He never quite assimilated and seldom played in his second season there. Once again he felt left out and not part of the team’s success and left for Switzerland soon after. He had brief spells with Neuchatel Xamax, Chicago Sting and KSC Hasselt, before ending his career with Preussen Münster in 1982.

Despite the tremendous success at club level Blankenburg never was able to fulfill his wish to play for Germany. Being a sweeper, Blankenburg’s timing was rather unfortunate, having the great Franz Beckenbauer play the same position at the same time. Strangely enough, Johan Cruyff asked his teammate to play for the Netherlands at the 1974 World Cup but Blankenburg refused, still holding out a shred of hope that Helmut Schön would call him up. He did not of course. It was no surprise then that Blankenburg even contemplated becoming Dutch after his time in Amsterdam.

Indeed, he was always treated better by the Dutch and was welcomed with great fanfare when he was invited back for Ajax’ centenary celebration in 2000. “At Ajax they don’t just forget what you’ve done for the club” he said then. Indeed they don’t. And neither did the city. Eleven bridges constructed near Ajax’ old stadium in the east Amsterdam were named after the eleven players that won three successive European Cups, Blankenburg being one of them. At the end he felt more Dutch than German but one could hardly blame him for that.

Today Blankenburg lives in Hamburg and spends a lot of his time on the golf course where he mingles with some of HSV’s most notable footballers of the past like Uwe Seeler, Willi Schulz, Manfred Kaltz, Peter Nogly, Harry Bähre and more. It is the kind of fraternization and social acceptance that he never enjoyed in his days as a player but a way for him to still remain close to football. Still, there remains a sense of disappointment in Blankenburg’s voice, a regret almost, “I am not happy, but I am content.”
 

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Aldo 1. Best 2. Chumpitaz 3. Pirri 4. Israel 5. Ademir da Guia
Chesterlestreet 1. Pelé 2. Greaves 3. Bremner 4. Corso 5. E. Hughes
RedTiger 1. Beckenbauer 2. Oblak 3. Maier 4. Fischer 5. McNeill
Skizzo/Pat_Mustard 1. Cruyff 2. Keizer 3. Olsen 4. Gemmell 5. Murdoch
Gol123 1. Van Hanegem 2. Overath 3. Johnstone 4. Hulshoff 5. Kindvall
Invictus 1. Eusébio 2. Mazzola 3. Haan 4. Suurbier 5. Perfumo
Balu 1. G. Müller 2. Vogts 3. Rensenbrink 4. Dobrin 5. Benetti
ctp 1. Rivelino 2. Marzolini 3. Jansen 4. Heynckes 5. Höttges
crappycraperson 1. Moore 2. Tostão 3. Bene 4. Van Moer 5. Khurtsilava
Gio/Theon 1. Figueroa 2. Cubillas 3. Deyna 4. Clodoaldo 5. Bulgarelli
NM/EAP 1. Facchetti 2. Riva 3. Jair 4. Stiles 5. Luis Pereira
sallycinnamin 1. Jairzinho 2. Zoff 3. B Dietz 4. Giles 5. Buchan
harms 1. Krol 2. Florian Albert 3. Van Himst 4. Roth 5. Blankenburg
Tuppet 1. Rivera 2. Džajić 3. Shesternyov 4. Causio 5.
Joga Bonito 1. Law 2. Netzer 3. A.Ball 4. Wimmer 5.
Marty1968 1. Gerson 2. Carlos Alberto 3. Rosato 4. Schwarzenbeck 5.

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RedTiger 1. Beckenbauer 2. Oblak 3. Maier 4. Fischer 5. McNeill
Skizzo/Pat_Mustard 1. Cruyff 2. Keizer 3. Olsen 4. Gemmell 5. Murdoch
Gol123 1. Van Hanegem 2. Overath 3. Johnstone 4. Hulshoff 5. Kindvall
Invictus 1. Eusébio 2. Mazzola 3. Haan 4. Suurbier 5. Perfumo
Balu 1. G. Müller 2. Vogts 3. Rensenbrink 4. Dobrin 5. Benetti
ctp 1. Rivelino 2. Marzolini 3. Jansen 4. Heynckes 5. Höttges
crappycraperson 1. Moore 2. Tostão 3. Bene 4. Van Moer 5. Khurtsilava
Gio/Theon 1. Figueroa 2. Cubillas 3. Deyna 4. Clodoaldo 5. Bulgarelli
NM/EAP 1. Facchetti 2. Riva 3. Jair 4. Stiles 5. Luis Pereira
sallycinnamin 1. Jairzinho 2. Zoff 3. B Dietz 4. Giles 5. Buchan
harms 1. Krol 2. Florian Albert 3. Van Himst 4. Roth 5. Blankenburg
Tuppet 1. Rivera 2. Džajić 3. Shesternyov 4. Causio 5. Lubański
Joga Bonito 1. Law 2. Netzer 3. A.Ball 4. Wimmer 5.
Marty1968 1. Gerson 2. Carlos Alberto 3. Rosato 4. Schwarzenbeck 5.

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One of the stars of the Polish 1974 WC team which finished third - Robert Gadocha, the Polish Garrincha. Gadocha was an immensely creative winger whose deliveries would often arc high into the air and dip like mortar shells onto their intended targets. Gadocha even went by another name - Pilate, for his penchant for accurate crosses :lol:. In fact of the 16 goals that Poland scored in the 1974 WC finals, 5 were directly assisted by Gadocha (the most assists in the tournament with Cruyff coming second with 3 assists) and two more were from crosses by Gadocha, which were headed down by Szarmach to Lato. It was no wonder that Lato and Szarmach would go on to win the golden boot and the silver boot in the WC 1974, with such a creative force in Gadocha being the primary supplyline, with Deyna running the show.

After his impressive performances in the 1972 Olympic games, the likes of Bayern, Ajax and Real Madrid were eager to sign him but unfortunately no player under the age of 30 were allowed to leave Poland at that time. Real even allegedly flew a representative to Warsaw, to try and buy passage out of the country, but Gadocha was unwilling to leave without being legally able to do so. Sounds just like Real doesn't it :lol:. He had a successful domestic career winning two Polish Championships and a Polish Cup and came close to European glory in 1969/70, where Legia Warsaw just fell out to eventual victors Feyenoord in the semi finals of the European Cup. Gadocha was pivotal as he scored 3 goals and made several assists in Legia Warsaw's European campaign that year. Despite his creative talents, Gadocha was an excellent goalscorer and is the 4th highest goalscorer in Legia Warsaw history, scoring 88 goals in 279 appearances.


Vid of Gadocha's famed crosses and deliveries.
 

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Aldo 1. Best 2. Chumpitaz 3. Pirri 4. Israel 5. Ademir da Guia
Chesterlestreet 1. Pelé 2. Greaves 3. Bremner 4. Corso 5. E. Hughes
RedTiger 1. Beckenbauer 2. Oblak 3. Maier 4. Fischer 5. McNeill
Skizzo/Pat_Mustard 1. Cruyff 2. Keizer 3. Olsen 4. Gemmell 5. Murdoch
Gol123 1. Van Hanegem 2. Overath 3. Johnstone 4. Hulshoff 5. Kindvall
Invictus 1. Eusébio 2. Mazzola 3. Haan 4. Suurbier 5. Perfumo
Balu 1. G. Müller 2. Vogts 3. Rensenbrink 4. Dobrin 5. Benetti
ctp 1. Rivelino 2. Marzolini 3. Jansen 4. Heynckes 5. Höttges
crappycraperson 1. Moore 2. Tostão 3. Bene 4. Van Moer 5. Khurtsilava
Gio/Theon 1. Figueroa 2. Cubillas 3. Deyna 4. Clodoaldo 5. Bulgarelli
NM/EAP 1. Facchetti 2. Riva 3. Jair 4. Stiles 5. Luis Pereira
sallycinnamin 1. Jairzinho 2. Zoff 3. B Dietz 4. Giles 5. Buchan
harms 1. Krol 2. Florian Albert 3. Van Himst 4. Roth 5. Blankenburg
Tuppet 1. Rivera 2. Džajić 3. Shesternyov 4. Causio 5. Lubański
Joga Bonito 1. Law 2. Netzer 3. A.Ball 4. Wimmer 5. Gadocha
Marty1968 1. Gerson 2. Carlos Alberto 3. Rosato 4. Schwarzenbeck 5.

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Take your time with your pick, I'm not yet decided on my next pick.
 

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Sorry guys, going into a meeting in a minute. Will pick in an hour or two. Have chosen one of my guys just need to pick the other...
 

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First Pick is Luis Alberto Cubilla Almeida



Cubilla played in the 1962, 1970 and 1974 World Cups, his side reaching the semi-finals on the second occasion before losing 3-1 to Brazil. He was memorably involved in Uruguay's last-gasp extra-time winner against the Soviet Union in the quarter-final in Mexico, tenaciously winning a ball the Soviets thought was going out of play to set up Victor Esparrago for the only goal of the game.

Cubilla enjoyed a hugely successful playing career, representing Barcelona, River Plate and Uruguay’s traditional big two Nacional and a Peñarol, winning four Uruguayan Primera Division titles with both clubs and a Copa Libertadores with each.

El Negro, a winger who represented Uruguay 38 times between 1959 and 1974, was also part of the unstoppable Peñarol team of the early 60’s, winning the first two editions of the Copa Libertadores in 1960 and 1961 respectively. Cubilla moved into managing after he announced his retirement in 1976.
 

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Second Pick is Jurgen Grabowski. Fantastic winger for Germany and could play on either flank or through the middle. 10th on the all time list for assists in the German League, a world cup winner, a European championship winner and UEFA Cup winner with Eintracht Frankfurt.

 

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Aldo 1. Best 2. Chumpitaz 3. Pirri 4. Israel 5. Ademir da Guia
Chesterlestreet 1. Pelé 2. Greaves 3. Bremner 4. Corso 5. E. Hughes
RedTiger 1. Beckenbauer 2. Oblak 3. Maier 4. Fischer 5. McNeill
Skizzo/Pat_Mustard 1. Cruyff 2. Keizer 3. Olsen 4. Gemmell 5. Murdoch
Gol123 1. Van Hanegem 2. Overath 3. Johnstone 4. Hulshoff 5. Kindvall
Invictus 1. Eusébio 2. Mazzola 3. Haan 4. Suurbier 5. Perfumo
Balu 1. G. Müller 2. Vogts 3. Rensenbrink 4. Dobrin 5. Benetti
ctp 1. Rivelino 2. Marzolini 3. Jansen 4. Heynckes 5. Höttges
crappycraperson 1. Moore 2. Tostão 3. Bene 4. Van Moer 5. Khurtsilava
Gio/Theon 1. Figueroa 2. Cubillas 3. Deyna 4. Clodoaldo 5. Bulgarelli
NM/EAP 1. Facchetti 2. Riva 3. Jair 4. Stiles 5. Luis Pereira
sallycinnamin 1. Jairzinho 2. Zoff 3. B Dietz 4. Giles 5. Buchan
harms 1. Krol 2. Florian Albert 3. Van Himst 4. Roth 5. Blankenburg
Tuppet 1. Rivera 2. Džajić 3. Shesternyov 4. Causio 5. Lubański
Joga Bonito 1. Law 2. Netzer 3. A.Ball 4. Wimmer 5. Gadocha
Marty1968 1. Gerson 2. Carlos Alberto 3. Rosato 4. Schwarzenbeck 5. Cubilla 6. Grabowski

@Joga Bonito its back to you!
 

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Anyone want to step in to take my place? So far off the mark in this draft just can't get my head around it.
 

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Anyone want to step in to take my place? So far off the mark in this draft just can't get my head around it.
Yeah sure, I'd be more than happy to take your players. :D
 

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Anyone want to step in to take my place? So far off the mark in this draft just can't get my head around it.
Don't give up. You've some cracking players in there!

If you want a hand with a few ideas I'm happy to throw you a few names?