Find out who he is, and throw them out of the team.
"I'm half the player under LvG"
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I notice this long ago when Di Maria form dip for United. Van Gaal is a great tactician, but he is terrible at man management. He is almost the exact opposite of Sir Alex Ferguson as a manager.
Makes total sense for it to be Rooney. He's finished and if he can blame Van Gaal for his performances then he buys himself more time.
That's what I was thinking. You'd think with LVG bending over backwards to get him in the team it wouldn't be him, but he could have been asked why he's been shit and given that he's not exactly all that loyal he might have just thrown LVG under the bus. If I was putting money on it, it would be him.
When I say that the question is do we want to get there, I am taking it for granted that there is a significant element of risk of whether it actually is getting "there". So I think it is pretty much the same thing you are saying. Your theory about the best managers is not really relevant in this context. The Van Gaal ideas on football demands a lot from the players positionally and movement wise to ensure control and dominance. Despite their differences, these were the ideas behind the Dutch school of football and by extension the Barcelona philosophy. The difference is that those contexts, the players are built and train to follow those principles from the grounds up and throughout every stage of their education. When a new player comes in, it is easier for them to adapt and follow suit. Van Gaal is trying this with an English club that had absolutely nothing to do with these idealistic visions of how the game should be played which explains why it is taking so long to implement. It is like learning the piano, it takes long enough to actually learn the keys, let alone play them with any flair. You can argue that this is stupid and stubborn and you can hate it from an aesthetic point of view and you would be perfectly entitled. But comparing it to just any other style is simply irrelevant.
Its Rooney, and Ill remain convinced until anyone can post an example of him EVER taking responsibility for his form at any point in in his Utd career
Memphis
Mata.
Him and Moyes really were made for each other.
Well Fellaini needs an excuse, but my money is on Mata.
May be it's all the players in one voice. Most of them look "half the players" they can be, especially the midfielders, FB's and the attackers.
Only one that makes sense is Mata.
For me it can't be Rooney because he's looked poor for ages now, club & country.
Herrera just doesn't seem the type and has been great in the main.
Fellaini saying it would just be ridiculous, as would Memphis.
So by process of elimination my money's on Mata & he has a point, the guy is no right winger & should be played as the number 10 or sold imo.
For me it can't be Rooney because he's looked poor for ages now, club & country.
Herrera just doesn't seem the type and has been great in the main.
Fellaini saying it would just be ridiculous, as would Memphis.
So by process of elimination my money's on Mata & he has a point, the guy is no right winger & should be played as the number 10 or sold imo.
Perhaps the whole idea was to ensure that his complaints received a public airing.
At Chelsea before he went downhill at Chelsea and even further downhill under Moyes only to now revive under LVG. Nothing suggests it's Mata. It would be a silly thing to say keeping in mind his comments recently about LVG and his time at Chelsea and United. He doesn't come across as silly to me.
Just can't see Mata being the guy to leak this kind of thing to the press.
I'm half the supporter I was under SAF.
Martial would need an interpretor for a start.
If - a big if this journo is not talking balls, then I believe it's Rooney. Surprises how much LVG trusts him (at least the impression that I get) because I don't Rooney gives a shit about him. He will certainly blame LVG for his rotten performances. Gotta to protect the 'brand' at all costs I suppose.
Another reason why I think it might be him is that he doesn't ask his journo friends and ex teammates to stop blaming his current team mates when he's not playing well. The fact that he seems to let this continue says a lot about him tbh. Shame.
De Gea - Improved
Darmian - No clue
Smaliing - Improved
Jones - Spends his time in the treatment room
Rojo - Never that good to begin with
Blind - Same as before
BS - Doubt its him
MS - He has been quite underwhelming. Could be him
Herrera - Doubtful
Mata - Possibly but, he wasn't great under Moyes
Rooney - Doubt he can spell Telegraph, let alone know any journalists there.
Martial - Doubt he talks at all
Depay - LvG's boy. Not him
Fellaini - No chance
Young - Nope
Shaw - Nope
Carrick - Nope
Romero - If it's him then, good God I must have under estimated how shite he was to begin with
Valdes - Hardly worth mentioning if it was him
McNair - Nope
Lingard - Nope
Januzaj - Been crap since Christmas 2013, so no. Plus he's on loan.
Reckon it's Morgan S or Mata or Paul Stretford
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Jesus, looking at our squad there...Pretty dire for all the money we spent
Darmian - No clue
Smaliing - Improved
Jones - Spends his time in the treatment room
Rojo - Never that good to begin with
Blind - Same as before
BS - Doubt its him
MS - He has been quite underwhelming. Could be him
Herrera - Doubtful
Mata - Possibly but, he wasn't great under Moyes
Rooney - Doubt he can spell Telegraph, let alone know any journalists there.
Martial - Doubt he talks at all
Depay - LvG's boy. Not him
Fellaini - No chance
Young - Nope
Shaw - Nope
Carrick - Nope
Romero - If it's him then, good God I must have under estimated how shite he was to begin with
Valdes - Hardly worth mentioning if it was him
McNair - Nope
Lingard - Nope
Januzaj - Been crap since Christmas 2013, so no. Plus he's on loan.
Reckon it's Morgan S or Mata or Paul Stretford
...Jesus, looking at our squad there...Pretty dire for all the money we spent
Imagine if Rooney's saying it. 
Their problem is not wanting to win. The fault is on us since we don't have another way to work around it.
I can't imagine it is Rooney because he has been average for awhile and I do not believe he is that daft to undermine a manager who has given him almost everything a player would want at a club. I feel the only player that looks half his of himself is Depay. Before United, he was a genuine top class player in the making, now he looks like none of that.
It's probably Paul Scholes
Do the club a favour and hand in you transfer request and feck off if that's how you really feel
Fergie was a great tactician and a great man-manager. Such a myth that Fergie persevered through sheer force of will. I've not seen one tactical performance under LVG that's outmatched the best under SAF.
Dnt forget it took fergie a decade to cement his phylosophy, with enough time lvg will too create a team absolutely to his image, but sadly no manager will be given ten years these days
I did think it could be Rooney as LVG's training made him lose so much weight.
It's obviously Shaw. He's only got half of his leg left.
To lighten the mood, in the style of, Somebody That I used to Know (feat Juan Mata).
Now and then I think of when I was in that chopper,
And Ed told me I was number 8, I could have cried,
Told myself this move was right for me,
Moysey said he’d buy more quality
But things would change so much by late September.
Training with Van Gaal I felt a certain kind of sadness,
All we heard was philosophy, philosophyyy,
So we started playing 5 in defense
But we got battered and that soon would end
He even made Falcao keep falling over
Keeping the ball just fecked me off
Lump it up to Afro, keep benching my amigo Ander
And I can’t even play through balls
Cuz if I fecking lose it I will get subbed off
I scored a fecking scissor kick,
In front of the Kop, but the Dutchman wasn’t even bothered
I guess it wasn’t Wazza though,
Now I’m half the player that I used to know,
Now I’m half the player that I used to know,
Now I’m half the player that I used to know,
Now and then I think of when I was in that chopper,
And Ed told me I was number 8, I could have cried,
Told myself this move was right for me,
Moysey said he’d buy more quality
But things would change so much by late September.
Training with Van Gaal I felt a certain kind of sadness,
All we heard was philosophy, philosophyyy,
So we started playing 5 in defense
But we got battered and that soon would end
He even made Falcao keep falling over
Keeping the ball just fecked me off
Lump it up to Afro, keep benching my amigo Ander
And I can’t even play through balls
Cuz if I fecking lose it I will get subbed off
I scored a fecking scissor kick,
In front of the Kop, but the Dutchman wasn’t even bothered
I guess it wasn’t Wazza though,
Now I’m half the player that I used to know,
Now I’m half the player that I used to know,
Now I’m half the player that I used to know,
It's gotta be Rooney, because the quote is a direct steal from his fellow scousers The Beatles:
Suddenly I'm not half the man I used to be
There's a shadow hanging over me
Oh, yesterday came suddenly
...Such an easy game to play
Now I need a place to hide away
Yesterday, seems like half my hair has flown away
Oh, I believe in yesterday...and my legs have buggered off too
Boo hoo
Suddenly I'm not half the man I used to be
There's a shadow hanging over me
Oh, yesterday came suddenly
...Such an easy game to play
Now I need a place to hide away
Yesterday, seems like half my hair has flown away
Oh, I believe in yesterday...and my legs have buggered off too
Boo hoo
Spot on
Memphis.
Good shout.
Very good.class mate...
Seriously though, I'm not convinced that the quotes are genuine. In recent times, certain newspapers have published entire, totally fictional, 'interviews' with players.
You are right about everything but there is a problem here, our players are not improving positionally or in term of movements. While the frame has clearly been improved from a collective stand point, our players are still very poor individually. There is something wrong with how LVG trains the individuals, no one is improving in the system.
The players understand the philosophy of the team but they don't understand the philosophy of their roles.
Let's see, who *isnt* half the player they were under LVG?
Smalling, De Gea, Shaw, Young...
Darmian is half the player now vs how he was when he first arrived.
Schneiderlin has looked very limited, I'm thinking its him.
Depay was given tons of freedom so surely it's not him. Nor Schweiny (too loyal).
Mata could say as much but I don't think he's suffered as much as others, he's been given some license to coast on defense, he's not being limited so much. Carrick is just doing what he's always done. Rooney can't blame LVG when he was okay last season.
Smalling, De Gea, Shaw, Young...
Darmian is half the player now vs how he was when he first arrived.
Schneiderlin has looked very limited, I'm thinking its him.
Depay was given tons of freedom so surely it's not him. Nor Schweiny (too loyal).
Mata could say as much but I don't think he's suffered as much as others, he's been given some license to coast on defense, he's not being limited so much. Carrick is just doing what he's always done. Rooney can't blame LVG when he was okay last season.
if this is legit, whoever the player is needs to leave.