Well, what's LVG doing right now if not getting gradually worse himself?
That's accurate.Yeah, how dare he say that Moyes could get 4 points more with an extra 12 months and £200m!
I find a slight amusement in how shit we are now becuase of how much opposition fans hate watching our shit football (and we are on TV all the time so its unavoidable)
Can you expand on that? The first criticisms I'd have placed on him would be questionable man-management and that stubbornness. But that final comment sounds like a typical benefit-of-hindsight view rather than anything grounded in concrete evidence.
I'd honestly rather watch us under Dalglish lump balls up to Carroll
Moyes had lost the dressing room long before he left though whereas LVG hasn't (up to now at least). If Moyes had stayed he'd have had a bigger challenge from that point than LVG faced when he arrived so I can't imagine he'd have even got us to this point. Things had gone too far for him to turn it around like that, even with extra time and money.
The money aspect doesn't come into it in the case of Moyes owing to the horrible way he conducted his two transfer windows - he wasn't denied money, in fact he was allowed to spend £4m more than a player's release clause, and then break the club transfer record in January. He either failed to use United's resources or didn't know how to. For example he bought Fellaini - a player he obviously knew very well and knew that his best position was an attacking one, but he insisted on playing him in central-midfield, often in more of a DM role. I give him credit for identifying central-midfield as a weak area, but buying one of his old players and playing him out of position to try to fill that gap does rather ruin that credit
Ah man that's the one of the best lines I've seen on here in a while
Hernandez wanted to leave because LVG clearly didnt think he was a good striker.
The drastic change on opinions from when he was linked to Spurs and then to United on here was insane.
if Carrick and Rooney had to march to him start of the season saying morale was low, and that's before this seasons events have happened, you can be sure there are players who couldn't care less if he went tomorrow.
This
I'm happy with the group of players he's brought in:
Exactly! He packed him out on loan ffs!
Spot on and they were exactly my thoughts. I also never felt that his football in Munich was particularly engaging they had a short period in the second half of his first season where they played some good football but that was about it, the rest of what he served up was pretty stale possession football with a lot of backwards and sideways passes and little power in attack. He also didn't really do too well in the transfer market and went into his second season refusing to bolster his squad which came back to bite him in the ass as well.
I dont think he is getting worse. Hes just not getting better either.
I don't think so myself. He said he only wanted to manage in England. Add to that what other Champions League team needed a new manager in the summer of 2014? Off the top of my head Juventus are the only ones, provided you're talking about big teams of course.
Sorry, I can't give you a Barcelona perspective as he left the cub for a second time a couple of months after I turned 8. I felt last season he did a decent enough gettung United back into the top four which was so crucial last season and in some games United played some pretty good football. They didn't do it on a consistent basis. I expected United to play better football this season after he'd had a full season at the club, had the chance to get rid of who he wanted to and bring in who he wanted. So far United's football hasn't sufficiently improved and the results are going backwards. It's all pointing to United needing part ways at some point either during the season or the end of the season.
He wasn't regular first team material and he wanted such role
He'd lost the dressing room & the fans, I can't think of any manager who has turned around such a situation. Once the players (for good reason) turn on a manager there's usually only 1 way it's going to end.
He said that yesterday? That is right up there with Moyes telling we aspire to be like Pool or City. Time to get his fat arse out of the gates.
This is an incredibly blinkered view. Anyone can see that there has been a huge improvement since the Moyes era, both of the squad (with a lot of the dross cut loose) and especially in the play. Now I know everyone hates the style we're currently playing, and I'm not a fan of it either, but at least there is a vision which the manager has been competent enough to implement. People have short memories if they don't think that's an improvement on Moyes who had absolutely no idea what he wanted to do with the team.
Have you seen our injuries? We had 2 fullbacks on each flank all 4 of whom are injured, 3 of whom appear long term and the fourth Unknown. We are playing with a 4th choice CB. Do you think Arsenal will be the same if koscielny Gabriel Monreal Gibbs bellerin and debuchy are all injured?
While it's true that Moyes had no real idea what he wanted to do with the team, it looked to me as if he was caught inbetween carrying on what Ferguson did (as everyone expected) and something he wanted to do.
How do you get an easier fixture list after 16 games? You've bloody played 16 out of the 19 teams you're going to play.
This, I don't see any plan and I'm still trying to understand his transfer strategy. He stumbled on a 4-3-3 and instead of keeping it and reinforcing it, he definitely got rid of it.
until we scored and then it went back to passing it to De Gea from corners via every player.
Football doesn't work like that, that's why point comparisons and stats are nice, but football isn't maths. And people underestimate the mental side of the thing, which is very important. That's why Chelsea is in a relegation battle and people think we couldn't get worse than 7th under Moyes? I doubt it. City spent 200 million and while their individual class is better with guys like De Bruyne, Sterling and Otamendi, they are still the same Pellegrini-team, which will do feck all in Europe and will only win the title in an underwhelming "best of a bad punch"-way.
