We will need a proper assistant manager I think, we can't afford to carry people just for the sake of sentimentality.
Whenever van Gaal goes, Giggs should go too...
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Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
Been a big fan of Giggs and endorsed his brief as caretaker to go on as a manager with a big name as director before LVG. Never wanted LVG but there is a way of doing things when it comes to having a change of manager and stepping out to the crowd isn't one of them. I was deeply disappointed in his antics today. If he wants to become a top manager he has to learn to hold back.
LVG goes... Giggsy stays or not till the end of the season depends on the outcome.
We can't run a top club like this, it's becoming embarrassing - it's turning into a catastrophe.
You made an outright assumption, presented it as fact then drew a conclusion from that "fact". Typical football forum behaviour.
And you call me irrational.
it became a joke the moment Moyes was appointed.
The squad is a mess, Woodward isn't a football man and we've got a manager waiting to be shown the door. Wheels have well and truly come off.
What an utterly pathetic thread. No one knows whether it was LVG who told Giggs to go to the touchline and given he and the other guy were there last game as well, that's probably exactly what happened. But no, let's whip out the conspiracy theories and abuse of the greatest players in the club's history without a shred of evidence.
True. Never thought we would replay the 70s all over again but we're getting pretty close to that nightmare.
Agreed. Being assistant doesn't mean you can put everything down to the managers failings and if that is what he thinks he should have showed some backbone and said he doesn't want to be associated with this.
Agree with all the others saying Giggs was using today opportunity to promote himself for the job. It might just look worse than it was but looked as if he was playing up to all those that think standing on the touchline is what makes a manager and shows how passionate they are. Where has this been for the last 18 months? Crafty fecker.
Agree with all the others saying Giggs was using today opportunity to promote himself for the job. It might just look worse than it was but looked as if he was playing up to all those that think standing on the touchline is what makes a manager and shows how passionate they are. Where has this been for the last 18 months? Crafty fecker.
Come on Phil, we're not that bad yet. But stranger things have happened.
The difference is we have the money to change things fast. I think Maurinho being available is a god send.
It's a football forum - a place where assumptions are presented as unarguable fact.
Certainly have and the radio is now full of fans in meltdown. After all the lessons presumably learned over the past 50 years who could believe we are back to this.
I don't blame Giggs but do not understand anyone completely absolving him of the mess we're in. He's the Assistant Manager of Man Utd, the idea he's sitting there as some form of fecking mute is ridiculous.
Extreme times we are in. The bigger thing with Giggs is that he doesn't have any ringing endorsements as to his management skills, why would we give him the reigns?
If giggs gets the job we'll be the next AC milan. (if we aren't already)
Get a fecking grip. Coaching staff on the touchline after consultation with manager. Shocker! Let's call him a cnut.
I don't know mate but this feels like déjà vu with our murky past!
Simple fact is Assistant Manager is an absolutely crucial job at any club and Giggs doesn't have the credentials. Whether you like him or not don't see that as being up for debate to be honest
Absent for 18 months and suddenly he sees the light? No way my friend either you are a giggs fan or terribly naive. He did it to show to the fans and the board. Giggs was a great player, but as a human being, some of the things he has done including today make him look like a cnut.
Get a fecking grip. Coaching staff on the touchline after consultation with manager. Shocker! Let's call him a cnut.
Crucial job? What are you smoking?
Absent for 18 months? Maybe you're the one who's been absent if you think he's been absent from the touchline for 18 months. I'm not being naïve. You're just talking a whole load of unsubstantiated rubbish.
Unfortunately true. If he had been a touchline manager he would have continued throughout LVG's entire tenure. This was showing his hand to the fans but it might reverberate against him.
wow...this thread, some of you boys need to calm the sssshh down before you take to your keyboards
Giggs needs to go and cut his teeth somewhere else like Nev is doing, the job is way too big for him in the clubs current dicey position.
Everybody knows every great manager had a great assistant
Not true at all. Simply an assumption based on outright bias.
Indeed.
Nonsense. So who was Fergie's "great" assistant? Who was Alf Ramsey's "great" assistant? Who was Jock Stein's "great" assistant? Who is Guardiola's "great" assistant?
Sad to say this does look the case with some players. Find it hard to believe watching them they are giving it there all. Much like what we saw under Moyes.
I find it sickening to see Chelsea win so easily today after the shit they have served up for so long. Clearly players who decided they wouldn't play for a manager as they did in the past. With the money our players are on they should be giving 110% every time regardless of the manager.
It needs to change if players have stopped playing they need to be identified and sold on if LVG goes. Anybody that thinks they can hide behind an under pressure managers failings, pick up there ridiculously high salary while taking the piss out of the club and fans with the performances they are serving up doesn't belong here.
You don't need to play devils advocate, people are just looking for someone to blame. Personally cannot believe how childish some of the posts on this thread are. Hope they all recover their dummies & grow the feck up.
Giggs is probably more upset at recent results than anyone who posts on red caf, club is his life blood. Why on earth that performance is now on him, is beyond comprehension.
OK - it's not important you're right, give it to Noel Edmonds then
Course you need a good assistant, you might not hear about some of them but it's still a vital job. Saying it isn't important is like saying why do businesses need good sales managers or ops managers if they have a good sales/ops director
If anyone here really f-ing thinks that Giggs is to blame for the performances over the last few years is an absolute tit. Regardless Giggs being a #2 he's doesn't have much if any influence on the way we play, Moyes and LVG already have those that will, maybe they don't have the 'named status' to go with it. Now you could argue that it's not good enough to be the assistant and not have a say but we already know that he was given the role to learn how to manage and not dictate. For all we know it could have been Giggs behind the decision to take Fellaini of and put Herrera on, which improved our performance 10 folds, maybe that's why he was off his seat and actually trying give out instructions. The fact is just because we fear or worry that he's incompetent due to the lack of experience should not overshadow him. If he puts the right people around him, which means not his buddies but experienced coaches in the right roles he has every chance to succeed.
Was no coincidence our best spells under SAF came with Steve McLaren and Carlos Q at the club. A club can still do well without a good assistant but our best periods always came with a very good assistant.
He'll go google it
Fully agree any manager worth his salt can have Mike Phelan as his number 2 & still win stuff. Giggs is there to learn, Van Gaal has his usual crew onboard in coaching & conditioning positions. I very much doubt if he'd have picked his assistance it'd have improved recent performances one little bit
It was coincidence. Or do you think without Steve McLaren's tactical brilliance was responsible for the treble?
He can't win can he?
Stays sat down - why doesnt he do anything?
Gets in the technical area - why has he done, what a dick move by him
It's ridiculous, bunch of pansies
He was doing both - was involved in the coaching as well.