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if you're Jose Mourinho and get offered both jobs, which one would you take?
Pros/Cons?
Pros/Cons?
if you're Pazo and get offered to make a thread, which one would you take?Is another Jose thread really necessary?
I would just go back to bed. No cons.if you're Pazo and get offered to make a thread, which one would you take?
Pros/Cons?
Agree with all your other points. Hopefully Rooney isn't imposed on our next manager.3. He will have the license to built the team as he pleases - players will not be forced upon him (though some argue this happened with Di Maria).
Disagree with the bolded part, as a manager you're only as good as the points you amassed, and those points only came from the player you can field. On the flip side failing with Manchester United is highly likely (our squad is wafer thin and unbalanced, we're left with No winger, and there I don't think we have the personnel to play Jose's football), expectations are high (although RM is higher and more absurd), political instability at the moment with Giggs/Rooney/Carrick waiting on the wingsObviously it's a fairly big risk as well, I should add, to his CV to manage United. And with Jose, his CV is everything to him.
At Madrid, these days, losing to Barcelona is commonplace and stints are short, so I'm not sure if a 2 year spell which isn't great would hurt him all that much. Everyone would just point to how good Messi, Neymar and Suarez are. And if he upstages them, somehow, then he's be lauded.
On the other hand with us, being someone who was his peer for awhile, and given SAF's incredible success, Mourinho not getting United back to the top, at the club where Sir Alex completely dominated, might hurt his legacy and make him look poor in comparison to the great man. The positive if it works out is obviously just as big given it's Manchester United and being the one to bring them back post SAF.
It's still definitely United IMO. But he'd be putting more on the line if he manages us as well, but given our resources, global stature and domestic competition, one totally worth taking. And most importantly, the one thing that can push Jose much further in the pantheon of great managers is to have a prolonged succesful period at one big club - say 6-7 years - and there's not many clubs right now where he can go and do that other than United IMO, where it wouldn't be easy at all but at least possible.
What's so obvious about it? I keep reading that here. Did he say something about United being his dream club?He always wanted to come here, it's obvious. I don't fear that he might go to Madrid if we really have talks ongoing with him or Mendez. If it's a straight choice between us and those cnuts, he'll pick us. If we're not trying enough though, we're fecked.
I think it's got to do with many reports heard every now and then that especially intensified when Ferguson resigned. Add constant brown nosing us whenever he had a chance et voila. There's just too much of it for it to be a coincidence I think. So yea, perhaps 'obvious' is a strong word but I don't think it's groundless.What's so obvious about it? I keep reading that hear. Did he say something about United being his dream club?
How is that good news for United? Ancelotti, Guardiola and Mourinho are generally regarded as 3 of the Top 4 managers in Europe, when combined with Simeone's ascent into, or around that bracket. He won't leave Atletico, Ancelotti to Bayern is done and dusted, Pep is odds on to join City despite denials by a group of United supporters - they've been courting him since last summer if not more, he has previous with their upper management, then there's the latest case of underhanded payments to Pere Guardiola; and Mourinho is probably the only proven/ elite manager remaining from that list. If things go tits up under Van Gaal (not that they already haven't), what's the next course of action? Trusting someone whose managerial track record encompasses all of 4 games and holding on for dear life? It's one thing to not have Mourinho as your #1 choice, or even #2 choice when the options will be limited; whole another issue belittling his stature in the game, and stating that us being left with 0 top level alternatives will be good news. The logic, or lack thereof in that argument it perplexing to put it mildly.If he's looking for a new challenge there can only be one choice. But I think he's more hungry for success than anything else. He'll pick Madrid. I for one think that's good news for us.
Those points also come from what a manager makes from the players he can field. Hence David Moyes finishing 7th with a team Sir Alex pissed on the league with.Disagree with the bolded part, as a manager you're only as good as the points you amassed, and those points only came from the player you can field. On the flip side failing with Manchester United is highly likely (our squad is wafer thin and unbalanced, we're left with No winger, and there I don't think we have the personnel to play Jose's football), expectations are high (although RM is higher and more absurd), political instability at the moment with Giggs/Rooney/Carrick waiting on the wings
Let's not forget that Jose can walk to 99% of the team in the world and would instantly get the job and the respect of the fans (yes, even Madrid fans). We're such a spoilt brad that we have the nerve to be picky about getting one of the best manager in the business.
If he loves Chelsea FC as much as he says he does,he shouldn't join a rival club.if you're Jose Mourinho and get offered both jobs, which one would you take?
Pros/Cons?
I'd imagine his love for Chelsea is not that great currently.If he loves Chelsea FC as much as he says he does,he shouldn't join a rival club.
Given our behaviour past 2 years that's a joke!Manchester United.
Pros: More overall stability, more patience from board, more control on transfers and footballing matters, less circus.
Cons: Lesser ability to attract 'top top' talent compared to Real Madrid.
Oh i agree and would love to have him here. I just think we're not as favorable as everyone thought, the chalice still has some poison in it and not the holy grail many thinkThose points also come from what a manager makes from the players he can field. Hence David Moyes finishing 7th with a team Sir Alex pissed on the league with.
Besides, as a manager you do have the option of going ahead and buying new players for which we have plenty of resources.
I think the up-side of him succeeding at United is brilliant. Where else is Jose going to be able to build a long-term legacy? Madrid - nope. Chelsea - tried, but failed. Arsenal - not a chance. City - they'll go for his nemesis. PSG - yeah, "legacy". Liverpool - not a chance. Add to that the fact that he prefers managing in premier league and has repeatedly said so, it makes it a no-brainer from his POV. He's said he wants to manage for a long-term period, and that he prefers the PL. Add those two, and the United is the only real option.
Because I believe he's the wrong man for the job, despite his past successes. I also find it hard to believe that United would be unable to attract a world class coach. It's one of the most desired jobs in world football.How is that good news for United? Ancelotti, Guardiola and Mourinho are generally regarded as 3 of the Top 4 managers in Europe, when combined with Simeone's ascent into, or around that bracket. He won't leave Atletico, Ancelotti to Bayern is done and dusted, Pep is odds on to join City despite denials by a group of United supporters - they've been courting him since last summer if not more, he has previous with their upper management, then there's the latest case of underhanded payments to Pere Guardiola; and Mourinho is probably the only proven/ elite manager remaining from that list. If things go tits up under Van Gaal (not that they already haven't), what's the next course of action? Trusting someone whose managerial track record encompasses all of 4 games and holding on for dear life? It's one thing to not have Mourinho as your #1 choice, or even #2 choice when the options will be limited; whole another issue belittling his stature in the game, and stating that us being left with 0 top level alternatives will be good news. The logic, or lack thereof in that argument it perplexing to put it mildly.
I agree. The best managers in the world will wait for this job. That is why we should wait until the summer and assess our options then, I mean the last time we did thought along these lines it all worked out great right ?Because I believe he's the wrong man for the job, despite his past successes. I also find it hard to believe that United would be unable to attrackt a world class coach. It's one of the most desired jobs in world football.