Jose Mourinho choice: Man Utd vs R.Madrid

[Member 5225]

if you're Jose Mourinho and get offered both jobs, which one would you take?
Pros/Cons?

 

[Sky1981]

Man Utd

The job is his to keep if he 1) delivers 2) wants it, there's no more "not winning CL and getting sacked" (heck you even get the sack after winning CL

 

[cyberman]

No point in going back to Madrid with Barcelona's front 3 playing as they are. Too many seasons adjusting could ruin his reputation even more imo.
If United were his dream then going back to Madrid shouldn't be a option for him, its seemingly now or never if he wants the job

 

[Xaviesta]

United.

 

[GloryHunter07]

Is another Jose thread really necessary?

 

[PvsNP]

Considering how he left Real Madrid, it would be Man Utd.

 

[The Man Himself]

Manchester United.
Pros: More overall stability, more patience from board, more control on transfers and footballing matters, less circus.
Cons: Lesser ability to attract 'top top' talent compared to Real Madrid.

 

[Sky1981]

Is another Jose thread really necessary?

if you're Pazo and get offered to make a thread, which one would you take?
Pros/Cons?

 

[amolbhatia50k]

United.

He prefers managing in England.

 

[GloryHunter07]

if you're Pazo and get offered to make a thread, which one would you take?
Pros/Cons?

I would just go back to bed. No cons.

 

[Invictus]

From a United fan's viewpoint - Manchester United.
From a neutral/ slightly objective viewpoint - Also Manchester United.

United pros:

1. He will get a level of control he has never known in his managerial career.
2. We don't have presidents sticking their nose in things, or technical directors dictating how he's supposed to set his team up.
3. He will have the license to built the team as he pleases - players will not be forced upon him (though some argue this happened with Di Maria).
4. United fans are generally more patient than Madrid's handkerchief wavers.
5. He said he wanted to continue in the English league because he feels more comfortable and appreciated.
6. If it goes well, we won't sack him at the first sign of trouble. TBF we have become a little impatient in recent years, but still removed from Florentino's kneejerk dismissals.
7. Fewer number of prima donnas. This is one advantage of a relatively weaker squad - he can bring in his own players; plus he hasn't fallen out with any United players yet, unlike at Madrid.
8. Fergie will guide him because they're close friends. IIRC Fergie advised Moyes and Louis too. There's no such figure at Madrid - it's pretty much sink or swim.
9. José will not win the Liga in the presence of Neymar, Messi and Suárez - which will lead to another sacking in the future. There's no such immovable object in the Premier League.
10. The transfer budget will be comparable to Madrid's, but by and large, he will have the chance to bring specific system fits, rather than players the President likes.
11. Fred the Red. Madrid don't have a mascot.

etc. Can't think any major cons TBH, in terms of them being United exclusive apart from maybe the fact that our squad is much weaker so he might have trouble in Europe - although with that in mind, he could always park the bus and set up like the underdog.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

3. He will have the license to built the team as he pleases - players will not be forced upon him (though some argue this happened with Di Maria).

Agree with all your other points. Hopefully Rooney isn't imposed on our next manager.

 

[bosnian_red]

I don't think there's any chance he would want to go back to Madrid. And he's been blatantly dying for the United job for years.

 

[Van Piorsing]

On a first glance it's surely Real Madrid. Squad already loaded with experienced mega stars which obviously means bigger chance of instant success. Jose loves to feed on that kind of situations.

However having a chance to step into shoes of Sir Alex ? It's a food for ego that could even last up to 20 years (Don't forget the chance of having his own statue outside Old Trafford).

He was always sneaking up on United job anyway, effin weasel.

 

[cesc's_mullet]

Real Madrid.

Pros:
- Biggest name if world football
- Better players to work with and therefore a higher chance of success
- Big spending consistently
- Squad spirit not in disarray
- Far less players that require shipping out or replacing

Cons:
- Higher expectations
- Circus factor
- Player prima donna factor
- United, in my opinion, are a more stable club

EDIT: That was from my point of view, whoops.

From Jose's point of view it would surely be United.

- Missed out on the job and was reportedly extremely upset
- Seems to believe he has some affinity with United
- His ego means he (in my opinion) sees himself as the only candidate worthy enough to follow-on from SAF
- Will surely be given everything he needs to revamp the side. After these last three (two and a half) seasons United has gone through I expect that someone like Mourinho would be given license to mold the side in his image
- Would be a bigger achievement to win trophies with United than Real Madrid, and therefore grow his legend
- Real Madrid and the media formed the cracks that has led to him breaking this season
- Ronaldo and Ramos (the other two that he had clashes with?) are still around and are key figures in Madrid

 

[Ryan7]

United. No bias. Simply because if I'm Jose, I've managed at Real in the past. Do I really want to work under Perez again? However, being able to piss on the chips of Rafa is tempting.

If I go to United I've got the biggest job in the country. Turning them around would add to my CV. The board won't fire me for finishing second. Friends with Ferguson. I can also show Roman what he's missing.

I think he's always wanted the United job as well.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Obviously it's a fairly big risk as well, I should add, to his CV to manage United. And with Jose, his CV is everything to him.

At Madrid, these days, losing to Barcelona is commonplace and stints are short, so I'm not sure if a 2 year spell which isn't great would hurt him all that much. Everyone would just point to how good Messi, Neymar and Suarez are. And if he upstages them, somehow, then he's be lauded.

On the other hand with us, being someone who was his peer for awhile, and given SAF's incredible success, Mourinho not getting United back to the top, at the club where Sir Alex completely dominated, might hurt his legacy and make him look poor in comparison to the great man. The positive if it works out is obviously just as big given it's Manchester United and being the one to bring them back post SAF.

It's still definitely United IMO. But he'd be putting more on the line if he manages us as well, but given our resources, global stature and domestic competition, one totally worth taking. And most importantly, the one thing that can push Jose much further in the pantheon of great managers is to have a prolonged succesful period at one big club - say 6-7 years - and there's not many clubs right now where he can go and do that other than United IMO, where it wouldn't be easy at all but at least possible.

 

[Sky1981]

Obviously it's a fairly big risk as well, I should add, to his CV to manage United. And with Jose, his CV is everything to him.

At Madrid, these days, losing to Barcelona is commonplace and stints are short, so I'm not sure if a 2 year spell which isn't great would hurt him all that much. Everyone would just point to how good Messi, Neymar and Suarez are. And if he upstages them, somehow, then he's be lauded.

On the other hand with us, being someone who was his peer for awhile, and given SAF's incredible success, Mourinho not getting United back to the top, at the club where Sir Alex completely dominated, might hurt his legacy and make him look poor in comparison to the great man. The positive if it works out is obviously just as big given it's Manchester United and being the one to bring them back post SAF.

It's still definitely United IMO. But he'd be putting more on the line if he manages us as well, but given our resources, global stature and domestic competition, one totally worth taking. And most importantly, the one thing that can push Jose much further in the pantheon of great managers is to have a prolonged succesful period at one big club - say 6-7 years - and there's not many clubs right now where he can go and do that other than United IMO, where it wouldn't be easy at all but at least possible.

Disagree with the bolded part, as a manager you're only as good as the points you amassed, and those points only came from the player you can field. On the flip side failing with Manchester United is highly likely (our squad is wafer thin and unbalanced, we're left with No winger, and there I don't think we have the personnel to play Jose's football), expectations are high (although RM is higher and more absurd), political instability at the moment with Giggs/Rooney/Carrick waiting on the wings

Let's not forget that Jose can walk to 99% of the team in the world and would instantly get the job and the respect of the fans (yes, even Madrid fans). We're such a spoilt brad that we have the nerve to be picky about getting one of the best manager in the business.

 

[Kostur]

He always wanted to come here, it's obvious. I don't fear that he might go to Madrid if we really have talks ongoing with him or Mendez. If it's a straight choice between us and those cnuts, he'll pick us. If we're not trying enough though, we're fecked.

 

[Cassidy]

Hes going to Madrid because like a bunch of clowns we're going to appoint Giggs

 

[Brown Toothpick]

He always wanted to come here, it's obvious. I don't fear that he might go to Madrid if we really have talks ongoing with him or Mendez. If it's a straight choice between us and those cnuts, he'll pick us. If we're not trying enough though, we're fecked.

What's so obvious about it? I keep reading that here. Did he say something about United being his dream club?

 

[B20]

Madrid is an even more poisoned chalice than usual right now, with Ronaldo on the way down and barca as good as ever.

There is nothing for him to achieve there really.

 

[Mrs Smoker]

Considering I'm a cnut, obvious choice is Real Madrid.

 

[B20]

I think he will be in Paris in the summer.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

Seriously I don't want us to have to fight too hard for him, if he wants us he needs to dance to our tune wait as long as it takes, and agree to the things we ask of him.

If he wants to go back to Madrid and fight his petty little battles all over again then let him go.

 

[Kostur]

What's so obvious about it? I keep reading that hear. Did he say something about United being his dream club?

I think it's got to do with many reports heard every now and then that especially intensified when Ferguson resigned. Add constant brown nosing us whenever he had a chance et voila. There's just too much of it for it to be a coincidence I think. So yea, perhaps 'obvious' is a strong word but I don't think it's groundless.

 

[Cnaiür urs Skiötha]

To be fair taking over Manchester United right now is a massive challenge. The probability of failing is high.

On the other Hand one Thing you cannot say about Mourinho is that he is afraid of big challenges.

 

[Libano]

If he's looking for a new challenge there can only be one choice. But I think he's more hungry for success than anything else. He'll pick Madrid. I for one think that's good news for us.

 

[RedStarUnited]

He has done Madrid already, United is in need of rescuing. If he was appointed now and given the money in Jan, he can still win the league for me.

 

[Invictus]

If he's looking for a new challenge there can only be one choice. But I think he's more hungry for success than anything else. He'll pick Madrid. I for one think that's good news for us.

How is that good news for United? Ancelotti, Guardiola and Mourinho are generally regarded as 3 of the Top 4 managers in Europe, when combined with Simeone's ascent into, or around that bracket. He won't leave Atletico, Ancelotti to Bayern is done and dusted, Pep is odds on to join City despite denials by a group of United supporters - they've been courting him since last summer if not more, he has previous with their upper management, then there's the latest case of underhanded payments to Pere Guardiola; and Mourinho is probably the only proven/ elite manager remaining from that list. If things go tits up under Van Gaal (not that they already haven't), what's the next course of action? Trusting someone whose managerial track record encompasses all of 4 games and holding on for dear life? It's one thing to not have Mourinho as your #1 choice, or even #2 choice when the options will be limited; whole another issue belittling his stature in the game, and stating that us being left with 0 top level alternatives will be good news. The logic, or lack thereof in that argument it perplexing to put it mildly.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Disagree with the bolded part, as a manager you're only as good as the points you amassed, and those points only came from the player you can field. On the flip side failing with Manchester United is highly likely (our squad is wafer thin and unbalanced, we're left with No winger, and there I don't think we have the personnel to play Jose's football), expectations are high (although RM is higher and more absurd), political instability at the moment with Giggs/Rooney/Carrick waiting on the wings

Let's not forget that Jose can walk to 99% of the team in the world and would instantly get the job and the respect of the fans (yes, even Madrid fans). We're such a spoilt brad that we have the nerve to be picky about getting one of the best manager in the business.

Those points also come from what a manager makes from the players he can field. Hence David Moyes finishing 7th with a team Sir Alex pissed on the league with.

Besides, as a manager you do have the option of going ahead and buying new players for which we have plenty of resources.

I think the up-side of him succeeding at United is brilliant. Where else is Jose going to be able to build a long-term legacy? Madrid - nope. Chelsea - tried, but failed. Arsenal - not a chance. City - they'll go for his nemesis. PSG - yeah, "legacy". Liverpool - not a chance. Add to that the fact that he prefers managing in premier league and has repeatedly said so, it makes it a no-brainer from his POV. He's said he wants to manage for a long-term period, and that he prefers the PL. Add those two, and the United is the only real option.

 

[royboy16]

if you're Jose Mourinho and get offered both jobs, which one would you take?
Pros/Cons?

If he loves Chelsea FC as much as he says he does,he shouldn't join a rival club.

 

[Ish]

Depends on what he wants, really. Personally, I'd take United because there should be more stability - especially if you get the club back to competing and winning.

But Mou could well intend on only another 2-3 year stint - then Madrid would be it.

 

[duffer]

If he loves Chelsea FC as much as he says he does,he shouldn't join a rival club.

I'd imagine his love for Chelsea is not that great currently.

Also, Man United are not our rivals. Not historically, not geographically and not in the league table. He should stay away from managing Southampton, Bournemouth or Newcastle though.

 

[sammsky1]

Manchester United.
Pros: More overall stability, more patience from board, more control on transfers and footballing matters, less circus.
Cons: Lesser ability to attract 'top top' talent compared to Real Madrid.

Given our behaviour past 2 years that's a joke!

 

[foolsgold]

Both are a massive challenge, in Spain he'd face a top class Barca team, here he'll face Pep across the city.

It depends on his personal motivations, United probably offers better longer term options with unlimited money to spend.

 

[Sky1981]

Those points also come from what a manager makes from the players he can field. Hence David Moyes finishing 7th with a team Sir Alex pissed on the league with.

Besides, as a manager you do have the option of going ahead and buying new players for which we have plenty of resources.

I think the up-side of him succeeding at United is brilliant. Where else is Jose going to be able to build a long-term legacy? Madrid - nope. Chelsea - tried, but failed. Arsenal - not a chance. City - they'll go for his nemesis. PSG - yeah, "legacy". Liverpool - not a chance. Add to that the fact that he prefers managing in premier league and has repeatedly said so, it makes it a no-brainer from his POV. He's said he wants to manage for a long-term period, and that he prefers the PL. Add those two, and the United is the only real option.

Oh i agree and would love to have him here. I just think we're not as favorable as everyone thought, the chalice still has some poison in it and not the holy grail many think

 

[pocco]

I thought Jose always wanted the job here but that doesn't look the case afterall.

He obviously feels he has unfinished business at Real, which will play on his mind because of his mentality. Real have the cash and the pulling power to build what he wants with the very best players. There's also a lot of negativity around us right now.

I'd take the United job if I was in Jose's position for obvious reasons. I'm no longer convinced Jose would.

 

[Libano]

How is that good news for United? Ancelotti, Guardiola and Mourinho are generally regarded as 3 of the Top 4 managers in Europe, when combined with Simeone's ascent into, or around that bracket. He won't leave Atletico, Ancelotti to Bayern is done and dusted, Pep is odds on to join City despite denials by a group of United supporters - they've been courting him since last summer if not more, he has previous with their upper management, then there's the latest case of underhanded payments to Pere Guardiola; and Mourinho is probably the only proven/ elite manager remaining from that list. If things go tits up under Van Gaal (not that they already haven't), what's the next course of action? Trusting someone whose managerial track record encompasses all of 4 games and holding on for dear life? It's one thing to not have Mourinho as your #1 choice, or even #2 choice when the options will be limited; whole another issue belittling his stature in the game, and stating that us being left with 0 top level alternatives will be good news. The logic, or lack thereof in that argument it perplexing to put it mildly.

Because I believe he's the wrong man for the job, despite his past successes. I also find it hard to believe that United would be unable to attract a world class coach. It's one of the most desired jobs in world football.

 

[Question234]

Because I believe he's the wrong man for the job, despite his past successes. I also find it hard to believe that United would be unable to attrackt a world class coach. It's one of the most desired jobs in world football.

I agree. The best managers in the world will wait for this job. That is why we should wait until the summer and assess our options then, I mean the last time we did thought along these lines it all worked out great right ?