Is there anyone left who wants to defend lvg now?

[Sam]

I'm not sure how anyone can defend him. Not just for his time at United, but his record since 2000 is pretty appalling for a 'top manager'...

Holland - Failed
Barcelona - Failed
Bayern - Success then failure and sacked
AZ - Success
Holland II - Limited success
United - Failed

He's won 4 trophies (3 of which were with Bayen in the space of a year) in the last 15 years.

Of the 19 trophies he's won in his career, 11 of them were by 1995 with Ajax (where he was obviously fantastic) and another 4 at Barca by 1999.

Simply put, he's a very very outdated and past it manager.

Which also begs the question...how can anyone (our board included) think he can turn this around, when all the evidence suggests he can't?

He's actually resigned from 6 of his 8 managerial jobs.

 

[Spoony]

What would Chuck Norris do in this situation?

 

[Nucks]

His job is to manage. If every single player isn't playing well for whatever reason that is his fault, as he clearly isn't doing his job.

Simple.

The simple part is what is right in front of everyone's nose and yet most refuse to admit it.

Our team. Is. Not. That. Good.

SAF pulled off a miracle in winning the league in his final season. Just look at the massive dip in form players had immediately following his retirement. RvP went to shit. Rooney was starting to show wear and tear even before SAF left. Vidic and Rio were broken down as much as they were healthy. Giggs was old as balls. Scholes was old as balls. Valencia and Young haven't been very good for awhile. Evra was showing signs of declining for a few years. Carrick has dropped off this year.

The squad was old and getting old. There was very little turnover. What has happened was a trainwreck you see miles away, but for whatever reason you just ignore it until it happens. Under Moyes we had the first year of turnover. Guys who were old and in decline were shipped out. Guys who were getting old were still good enough, but they were in decline. Then under LvG the other shoe dropped and guys who were still "ok" under Moyes have declined in the last 18 months.

We're looking at almost 100% first team turn over in 2 and a half years. We've replaced about half, but the other half has gone in the shitter and needs to be replaced now as well.

SAF was a genius, but he did Moyes no favors with the squad he left him. Yea, it was a league winning squad, but it was long in the tooth and players who are getting on in years are fine until they are not. See AC Milans CL winning dinosaurs as evidence of this.

Was Moyes SAF? Nope. Could SAF wrung a CL spot out of his squad the following year? Almost certainly, however, the quality of the squad was getting worse, it was not getting better. It's a testament to the ability of Fergie that he won the league with that squad.

So now what do we have? We have a lot of wasted investment in certain players who simply are not United quality. We have one young player who has been a disaster, though he may come good, we have another young player in Martial who is undoubtedly the future and is certainly good enough.

The problem is, our midfield is still in need to fixing, our defense actually looks good, if we could find Smalling a proper partner. However, we're still a train wreck at the business end of the field. Is LvG at fault? Maybe, but maybe he's managed to get whatever shine is possible from this giant turd. Mistakes have been made, and this squad as it stands right now is a giant mistake.

 

[Santiago_KinderBueno]

I always find this argument a bit silly. Guardiola's not won the CL with Bayern yet, but that hardly makes him a failure. You do realise the Champions League is hard to win, right? That's why no club has managed to retain the trophy in its current format.

That's why many managers with great sides often struggle to win it. Guardiola's been up against some superb sides, for example, and has only been at Bayern for a couple of years. Even with one of the best squads in the competition, winning it is hardly a foregone conclusion, especially since cup competitions can be more unpredictable than league ones. Not to mention that Bayern are probably one of the two or three main contenders for the trophy this year.

Look at Fergie, for example. Legendary manager who sustained success with us for 20 years. Yet even he could only manage to win it twice for us.

My point is not that guardiola is a shit manager. Far from it. I'm saying that there is absolutely little use of having him here if he couldn't reach the goals that were set of him at bayern with the squad he has.

Our squad is still far away from a title winning side never mind a CL winning side. Surely that's when getting a manager like guardiola is the most efficient?

Not when we have a team struggling to do things such as qualify for the CL.

 

[Santiago_KinderBueno]

The simple part is what is right in front of everyone's nose and yet most refuse to admit it.

Our team. Is. Not. That. Good.

SAF pulled off a miracle in winning the league in his final season. Just look at the massive dip in form players had immediately following his retirement. RvP went to shit. Rooney was starting to show wear and tear even before SAF left. Vidic and Rio were broken down as much as they were healthy. Giggs was old as balls. Scholes was old as balls. Valencia and Young haven't been very good for awhile. Evra was showing signs of declining for a few years. Carrick has dropped off this year.

The squad was old and getting old. There was very little turnover. What has happened was a trainwreck you see miles away, but for whatever reason you just ignore it until it happens. Under Moyes we had the first year of turnover. Guys who were old and in decline were shipped out. Guys who were getting old were still good enough, but they were in decline. Then under LvG the other shoe dropped and guys who were still "ok" under Moyes have declined in the last 18 months.

We're looking at almost 100% first team turn over in 2 and a half years. We've replaced about half, but the other half has gone in the shitter and needs to be replaced now as well.

SAF was a genius, but he did Moyes no favors with the squad he left him. Yea, it was a league winning squad, but it was long in the tooth and players who are getting on in years are fine until they are not.

Was Moyes SAF? Nope. Could SAF wrung a CL spot out of his squad the following year? Almost certainly, however, the quality of the squad was getting worse, it was not getting better. It's a testament to the ability of Fergie that he won the league with that squad.

So now what do we have? We have a lot of wasted investment in certain players who simply are not United quality. We have one young player who has been a disaster, though he may come good, we have another young player in Martial who is undoubtedly the future and is certainly good enough.

The problem is, our midfield is still in need to fixing, our defense actually looks good, if we could find Smalling a proper partner. However, we're still a train wreck at the business end of the field. Is LvG at fault? Maybe, but maybe he's managed to get whatever shine is possible from this giant turd. Mistakes have been made, and this squad as it stands right now is a giant mistake.

Good post.

It was obvious to me too that this squad needed flipping.

TBH the only thing left is one or 2 midfielders, one RW, One striker, One CB.

That is all that we are lacking. That's why i'm not some super angry fan at LVG because i think he has actually done what he was bought in to do.

He is and never will be a title winning manager that you can trust with your eyes closed. He is though almost like a headteacher who builds his teams around on the best kids adaptable to what he teaches.

I'd like to see him survive until the end of january just so i can see him finish what he started but i doubt anyone will have the patience for that.

 

[mu77]

What would Chuck Norris do in this situation?

make a shit movie?

 

[Spoony]

make a shit movie?

He'd kung fu Edward Woodward and wipe that clueless look off his face before going back in to his normal stance.

 

[Smores]

I can't believe some of the nonsense on here spouted just to try and defend LvG.

In our starting lineup only De Gea, Smalling, Mata, Rooney are players LvG has had to inherit. He's had plenty of opportunity to get this squad up to standard and it's only his strange decisions and misguided signings that would make it not capable (which I disagree with).

I mean if he signed the striker we obviously needed in the summer his job wouldn't be at risk

 

[Sultan]

I don't think it's unfair. We have been watching what we have been watching, of course, but that data is not processed to the same conclusion without it being packaged as it has been, and pedalled excessively. When I watch a game that doesn't involve United, I consciously count United references - and there are plenty. After Stoke stuffed City a few weeks back, I spent half an hour responding to journalists on twitter who kept going on about how United fans probably wish they could play like that. It is excessive - to not be influenced by it would be odd.

It started in the summer, from not buying a centre half, not buying Pedro, buying Martial, and continued into the season to the point where they all became James Wilson experts. For the majority of the season, all they have actually had on us was less goals than usual. Never before has there been such an emphasis on chances created, especially for a winning team. Now finally, we are actually losing games, they have everything they need.

I've said before, I don't think it is personal against Van Gaal, it is more about their relationship with our club as a whole. They will swarm around us constantly, and look for something to pick at. When Mourinho got sacked, every other tweet was about how it affects United. It must be an almost impossible environment to work within.

Van Gaal has made questionable decisions, agrees. Up until a few weeks ago, it did not warrant the cloud that was forming over us and him. Ultimately, anything short of a string of 4-0 wins like Ferguson apparently used to deliver will have them shoving mics in front of anyone from Scholes to Merson to have a go. It takes it's toll on public opinion especially when 30-40 of all reporting is seemingly about United.

It's not medias fault LvG has not managed to make United successful.

Football is tribal, and this tribalism is not based on any objectivity. Media today means success of others is difficult to ignore, so satisfaction can be found in the failure of those opposed. Simple. United have had enough adulation over the last 3 decades. It's unfair to say the media is anti-United.

 

[Summit]

SAF pulled off a miracle in winning the league in his final season. Just look at the massive dip in form players had immediately following his retirement.

So Mareen pulled off a miracle last season then?

 

[mu77]

He'd kung fu Edward Woodward and wipe that clueless look off his face before going back in to his normal stance.

like I said a shit movie. hey , how would he kick a guy with no chin?

 

[Spoony]

like I said a shit movie. hey , how would he kick a guy with no chin?

Look, I'm not saying he's a great actor, but he can deliver a timely kung fu chop and give him a death stare of all death stares.

 

[K2K]

I can't believe some of the nonsense on here spouted just to try and defend LvG.

In our starting lineup only De Gea, Smalling, Mata, Rooney are players LvG has had to inherit. He's had plenty of opportunity to get this squad up to standard and it's only his strange decisions and misguided signings that would make it not capable (which I disagree with).

I mean if he signed the striker we obviously needed in the summer his job wouldn't be at risk

Wasting your time...cant wait for him to go at this stage....when Moyes left, his **** piped down massively

 

[Rozay]

It's not medias fault LvG has not managed to make United successful.

Football is tribal, and this tribalism is not based on any objectivity. Media today means success of others is difficult to ignore, so satisfaction can be found in the failure of those opposed. Simple. United have had enough adulation over the last 3 decades. It's unfair to say the media is anti-United.

Football is business, is what it is. Football media is business. United are the biggest story. It will get a reaction to have a go. I just think it's don't been excessive. I don't think the media are necessarily anti-United. They are just United obsessed. And adulation over the decades does nothing for Van Gaal right now.

 

[acnumber9]

I can't believe some of the nonsense on here spouted just to try and defend LvG.

In our starting lineup only De Gea, Smalling, Mata, Rooney are players LvG has had to inherit. He's had plenty of opportunity to get this squad up to standard and it's only his strange decisions and misguided signings that would make it not capable (which I disagree with).

I mean if he signed the striker we obviously needed in the summer his job wouldn't be at risk

And many of his best players are ones that were already here or lined up before he was appointed. If the results haven't been good enough, the quality of football hasn't been good enough and the squad isn't good enough then what has he actually succeeded at?

 

[Oneunited26]

Which also begs the question...how can anyone (our board included) think he can turn this around, when all the evidence suggests he can't?

He's actually resigned from 6 of his 8 managerial jobs.

The way he had treated this job has been a farce, man management has been shit, his inability to evolve, spent loads of money still the team is shit. He sold most of our attacking players and not replaced the numbers, even if we did not they would look bad because of the extreme situation in what LVG operates

 

[Red Dreams]

The manager is 100% responsible for the results on the field. He cannot blame the players, the squad, the injuries.

In the same way the board is 100% responsible if the manager does not deliver results.

Our board made gross mistakes in the last two appointments. To apportion blame to Charlton and Fergie is ridiculous. Charlton was simply one of greatest players. He should never have had any say in who was appointed. Fergie was the greatest manager of all time. That in no way allows him to have any say who the next manager should be. The board has failed their investors with how they have went about the last two managerial appointments.

I said elswhere we got lucky with Fergie. Well we need to snatch the luck of having the best modern manager available when we need one and make the appointment.

 

[mu77]

Look, I'm not saying he's a great actor, but he can deliver a timely kung fu chop and give him a death stare of all death stares.

ah the death stare. woody's got eyes. didn't think of that.

 

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Which also begs the question...how can anyone (our board included) think he can turn this around, when all the evidence suggests he can't?

The fact that you're quoting your self does not make your wrongful assessment evidence.

 

[Dr. Funkenstein]

The simple part is what is right in front of everyone's nose and yet most refuse to admit it.

Our team. Is. Not. That. Good.

SAF pulled off a miracle in winning the league in his final season. Just look at the massive dip in form players had immediately following his retirement. RvP went to shit. Rooney was starting to show wear and tear even before SAF left. Vidic and Rio were broken down as much as they were healthy. Giggs was old as balls. Scholes was old as balls. Valencia and Young haven't been very good for awhile. Evra was showing signs of declining for a few years. Carrick has dropped off this year.

The squad was old and getting old. There was very little turnover. What has happened was a trainwreck you see miles away, but for whatever reason you just ignore it until it happens. Under Moyes we had the first year of turnover. Guys who were old and in decline were shipped out. Guys who were getting old were still good enough, but they were in decline. Then under LvG the other shoe dropped and guys who were still "ok" under Moyes have declined in the last 18 months.

We're looking at almost 100% first team turn over in 2 and a half years. We've replaced about half, but the other half has gone in the shitter and needs to be replaced now as well.

SAF was a genius, but he did Moyes no favors with the squad he left him. Yea, it was a league winning squad, but it was long in the tooth and players who are getting on in years are fine until they are not. See AC Milans CL winning dinosaurs as evidence of this.

Was Moyes SAF? Nope. Could SAF wrung a CL spot out of his squad the following year? Almost certainly, however, the quality of the squad was getting worse, it was not getting better. It's a testament to the ability of Fergie that he won the league with that squad.

So now what do we have? We have a lot of wasted investment in certain players who simply are not United quality. We have one young player who has been a disaster, though he may come good, we have another young player in Martial who is undoubtedly the future and is certainly good enough.

The problem is, our midfield is still in need to fixing, our defense actually looks good, if we could find Smalling a proper partner. However, we're still a train wreck at the business end of the field. Is LvG at fault? Maybe, but maybe he's managed to get whatever shine is possible from this giant turd. Mistakes have been made, and this squad as it stands right now is a giant mistake.

Agree, except I'm starting to wonder whether Smalling is a good partner himself. I was also very happy with his development in the last 16 months, but he wasn't good enough until last spring and this december he hasn't been good enough again, starting with Wolfsburg. Let's not forget that Schneiderlin has cleaned up a lot in front of the defence and Schweinsteiger is also a player who tends to prevent his defence getting in trouble. Maybe the midfield is a bit better defensively, and defence a bit worse?

 

[UnitedinRed]

The manager is 100% responsible for the results on the field. He cannot blame the players, the squad, the injuries.

In the same way the board is 100% responsible if the manager does not deliver results.

Our board made gross mistakes in the last two appointments. To apportion blame to Charlton and Fergie is ridiculous. Charlton was simply one of greatest players. He should never have had any say in who was appointed. Fergie was the greatest manager of all time. That in no way allows him to have any say who the next manager should be. The board has failed their investors with how they have went about the last two managerial appointments.

I said elswhere we got lucky with Fergie. Well we need to snatch the luck of having the best modern manager available when we need one and make the appointment.

So the players have no responsibility?

Can you tell me the point of players then? If they have zero responsiblity? Let's just fast forward to the future and have robots who are controlled entirely by a manager. An elaborate FIFA game if you will.

 

[Red Dreams]

So the players have no responsibility?

Can you tell me the point of players then? If they have zero responsiblity? Let's just fast forward to the future and have robots who are controlled entirely by a manager. An elaborate FIFA game if you will.

If a manager cannot get the response from his players, it his entirely his fault. When Fergie lost matches he always got a response. They worked for him. They tried.

 

[UnitedinRed]

And many of his best players are ones that were already here or lined up before he was appointed. If the results haven't been good enough, the quality of football hasn't been good enough and the squad isn't good enough then what has he actually succeeded at?

Best players.

De Gea - well van Gaal was manager when he didn't leave for Madrid as basically 99% said he would and continue to do so.

Smalling - vast improvement under van Gaal. The player we thought he would become.

Herrera - is it his fault Moyes dithered?

Martial - his signing entirely.

Special mentions for BFS and Schneiderlin who while not brilliant, are clearly missed right now.

So yeh, your point kind of falls down on that

 

[UnitedinRed]

If a manager cannot get the response from his players, it his entirely his fault. When Fergie lost matches he always got a response. They worked for him. They tried.

So again, no responsibility from the players?

Did van Gaal not look like he was trying to envoke a reaction last week? I don't give 2 shits about how the players feel and whether they like him or not. They are not paid to like him, they are paid to play for United.

 

[Santiago_KinderBueno]

Best players.

De Gea - well van Gaal was manager when he didn't leave for Madrid as basically 99% said he would and continue to do so.

Smalling - vast improvement under van Gaal. The player we thought he would become.

Herrera - is it his fault Moyes dithered?

Martial - his signing entirely.

Special mentions for BFS and Schneiderlin who while not brilliant, are clearly missed right now.

So yeh, your point kind of falls down on that

Blind also. Whilst not the best in any position feels like a posh version of john oshea. A player that can be used in vast situations.

 

[Stack]

So the players have no responsibility?

Can you tell me the point of players then? If they have zero responsiblity? Let's just fast forward to the future and have robots who are controlled entirely by a manager. An elaborate FIFA game if you will.

So he has Blind a DM playing as a CB. He has Fellaini playing well forward of where he mostly played at Everton?. He has Young, a LM playing as a RB. He insists on left footed and right footed matching CB's but plays left footed wide players on the right and right footed wide players on the left. He made a player that 99% of the world can see is past it as his captain and its taken him until Stoke to finally drop him despite consistently dismal performances by Rooney. He has Mata playing as a RM which before us wasnt his preferred position. He has trimmed the squad down so far he is relying on reserve/youth players to cover injuries, nothing too wrong with that if you are going to use reserve/youth team players who are ready for the step up and quite clearly a few of them simply havent been.
So if players are playing poorly surely a decent chunk of the problem is that they are being used outside of their specialist experience.

Everything wrong right now is a result of LVG's decisions, choices, selections, tactics, style of play and buying/selling of players.

Players have responsibility but even if they try as hard as they can its not easy to perform at the required level if they are being played out of position and playing a style that in no way suits or fits their usual style of playing.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

So the players have no responsibility?

Can you tell me the point of players then? If they have zero responsiblity? Let's just fast forward to the future and have robots who are controlled entirely by a manager. An elaborate FIFA game if you will.

What do people like yourself with this sort of opinion suggest we do? Get rid of all the under-performing players and purchase another set who will inevitably fail again in 18 months time?

LvG was given the time and resources to assemble the team of his choice. He shipped out the likes Rafael, Evra, Cleverley, Welbeck, van Persie, Kagawa, Hernandez, di Maria, Falcao, Nani for a number of different reasons, with the most common being the failure to adapt to his every demand. No one questioned his decisions even though a few of the above could have been incredibly useful to us, at this moment in time. He replaced them with player who he felt could adapt to and fulfil his infamous philosophy. The likes of Herrera, Blind, Shaw, Rojo, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Memphis, Martial and Darmian were all brought in for a total of around £175 million.

The common denominator is the players named above is they've all failed to perform for us, Blind being the exception. Not a single player we've bought has been the slightest bit successful for us. Why is that? Why is it that these players cannot play well for us? Are they just completely average? That can't be, can it? They were all highly rated players before they signed for us. Then you have the likes of Evra, Cleverley, Kagawa, Nani all performing well for their new teams with Chicha and di Maria having astonishingly good seasons at their respective clubs.

You can't get a better example than di Maria to see what a complete failure this philosophy has been. van Gaal sucked all the excitement, passion and freedom out of the guy, which, unsurprisingly, coincided with the loss to Leicester, last season. Either side of his shit career at United, he's been playing at his absolute, brilliant peak. In fact, as with Martial, he had a terrific start to this United career before van Gaal decided enough wasenough. As di Maria excels at PSG, we're left with the utterly average Ashley Young and Memphis "Ronaldo" Depay. Funnily enough, Memphis has followed the di Maria path and resembles a donkey when playing football. Surprise, surprise or not.

The quicker your man leaves, the better. He's sucked the life out of Man United, the fans and the players and I will take great joy on the day he leaves our club for good.

 

[NinjaZombie]

I can't fathom how people can defend Van Gaal by citing how poor the side is. He's had ample time to build his own team, which he has. He's also made a bad choice in selecting his captain who "plays always" who also happens to be the only senior striker after he's sold 3/4 of a title winning strike force. He is also playing people out of position.

 

[UnitedinRed]

So he has Blind a DM playing as a CB. He has Fellaini playing well forward of where he mostly played at Everton?. He has Young, a LM playing as a RB. He insists on left footed and right footed matching CB's but plays left footed wide players on the right and right footed wide players on the left. He made a player that 99% of the world can see is past it as his captain and its taken him until Stoke to finally drop him despite consistently dismal performances by Rooney. He has Mata playing as a RM which before us wasnt his preferred position. He has trimmed the squad down so far he is relying on reserve/youth players to cover injuries, nothing too wrong with that if you are going to use reserve/youth team players who are ready for the step up and quite clearly a few of them simply havent been.
So if players are playing poorly surely a decent chunk of the problem is that they are being used outside of their specialist experience.

Everything wrong right now is a result of LVG's decisions, choices, selections, tactics, style of play and buying/selling of players.

Players have responsibility but even if they try as hard as they can its not easy to perform at the required level if they are being played out of position and playing a style that in no way suits or fits their usual style of playing.

Blind is a defender. By all means, go check. DM, LB, CB. His 3 roles. All defensive. Blind hasn't thrown his toys out of the pram having been asked to play these roles though. Good attitude. What we want.

Fellaini was deployed more advanced for Everton than he has for most of his time here. He's not a CM but an unorthodox AM.

Mata had played from wide the vast majority of his career. He's not a number 10 so let's end that right now. He's not good enough there and tbh, isn't cutting it out wide either.

Young is right footed. He's also happy to play anywhere which again, is a good attitude. He's lacking in quality though.

Fergie didn't have this issue nor do other managers when asking players to do a job for the sake of the TEAM. You know, with it being a team game then sometimes players are asked to play a variety of roles, for the sake of the team.... Key word.

 

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Reaching the semis on both occasions is hardly awful, though. And they weren't really humiliated by Barca last year; a very poor defeat in the first leg that they tried, but failed, to claw back. Not brilliant, I'll admit, but again this assumption that top squads will sail to CL victory is daft.

Exactly, Real and Barca shouldn't have sailed past Bayern. Those are the matches where it's all about, not a very stylish 5-0 in the group stage or against Hoffenheim. If after half a match in the first leg the tie is decided, Bayern hasn't been the challenger it should have been. Nor was it the year before. To be

 

[Santiago_KinderBueno]

So he has Blind a DM playing as a CB. He has Fellaini playing well forward of where he mostly played at Everton?. He has Young, a LM playing as a RB. He insists on left footed and right footed matching CB's but plays left footed wide players on the right and right footed wide players on the left. He made a player that 99% of the world can see is past it as his captain and its taken him until Stoke to finally drop him despite consistently dismal performances by Rooney. He has Mata playing as a RM which before us wasnt his preferred position. He has trimmed the squad down so far he is relying on reserve/youth players to cover injuries, nothing too wrong with that if you are going to use reserve/youth team players who are ready for the step up and quite clearly a few of them simply havent been.
So if players are playing poorly surely a decent chunk of the problem is that they are being used outside of their specialist experience.

Everything wrong right now is a result of LVG's decisions, choices, selections, tactics, style of play and buying/selling of players.

Players have responsibility but even if they try as hard as they can its not easy to perform at the required level if they are being played out of position and playing a style that in no way suits or fits their usual style of playing.

He didnt make rooney his captain wtf. He kept him as his captain because we all didnt know smalling was going to turn out this good. Shit man people make this shit up.

 

[UnitedinRed]

What do people like yourself with this sort of opinion suggest we do? Get rid of all the under-performing players and purchase another set who will inevitably fail again in 18 months time?

LvG was given the time and resources to assemble the team of his choice. He shipped out the likes Rafael, Evra, Cleverley, Welbeck, van Persie, Kagawa, Hernandez, di Maria, Falcao, Nani for a number of different reasons, with the most common being the failure to adapt to his every demand. No one questioned his decisions even though a few of the above could have been incredibly useful to us, at this moment in time. He replaced them with player who he felt could adapt to and fulfil his infamous philosophy. The likes of Herrera, Blind, Shaw, Rojo, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Memphis, Martial and Darmian were all brought in for a total of around £175 million.

The common denominator is the players named above is they've all failed to perform for us, Blind being the exception. Not a single player we've bought has been the slightest bit successful for us. Why is that? Why is it that these players cannot play well for us? Are they just completely average? That can't be, can it? They were all highly rated players before they signed for us. Then you have the likes of Evra, Cleverley, Kagawa, Nani all performing well for their new teams with Chicha and di Maria having astonishingly good seasons at their respective clubs.

You can't get a better example than di Maria to see what a complete failure this philosophy has been. van Gaal sucked all the excitement, passion and freedom out of the guy, which, unsurprisingly, coincided with the loss to Leicester, last season. Either side of his shit career at United, he's been playing at his absolute, brilliant peak. In fact, as with Martial, he had a terrific start to this United career before van Gaal decided enough wasenough. As di Maria excels at PSG, we're left with the utterly average Ashley Young and Memphis "Ronaldo" Depay. Funnily enough, Memphis has followed the di Maria path and resembles a donkey when playing football. Surprise, surprise or not.

The quicker your man leaves, the better. He's sucked the life out of Man United, the fans and the players and I will take great joy on the day he leaves our club for good.

18 months for a complete overhaul is time now is it?

Cool. Who are we hiring in another 18 months then?

 

[UnitedinRed]

I can't fathom how people can defend Van Gaal by citing how poor the side is. He's had ample time to build his own team, which he has. He's also made a bad choice in selecting his captain who "plays always" who also happens to be the only senior striker after he's sold 3/4 of a title winning strike force. He is also playing people out of position.

Ample time for what?

It took City £400m and 3 years to won their first PL title and they required a full rebuild. They finished 9th the season before so not to dissimilar to us when van Gaal took over.

Chelsea took 2 years to win a title, on a less competitive league and a £250m investment, 10 years ago.

Liverpool and Spurs have spent over £800m in 20 years and have won the league a massive zero times.

So how long is needed exactly? What's the standard cut off point? 18 months? 10 months? 5 years? 1 day? You tell me.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

18 months for a complete overhaul is time now is it?

Cool. Who are we hiring in another 18 months then?

No, 18 months, unlimited money spent, less points the David Fecking Moyes. How you can justify that will only serve to illustrate that your just as clueless as van Gaal.

 

[UnitedinRed]

No, 18 months, unlimited money spent, less points the David Fecking Moyes. How you can justify that will only serve to illustrate that your just as clueless as van Gaal.

Unlimited money? He's spent infinity? Bloody hell you've done it now. This will be on Twitter and claimed as the gospel truth by 6pm.

Less points than Moyes? Well yeh, its December. Let's re assess in April. I suspect he will have more than 57, again. Well, if he was here.

So 18 months is the cut off point? What do we need to have achieved in this 18 month period? And how much money can a manager spend without it being increased on a daily basis?

I'm just trying to get an idea for the next man and his maximum 18 month stay.

Be honest, do you think a new manager will change things? And what do you base that on? I've got my responses ready but let's see what you say.

 

[redindian1987]

Well, defending van Gaal is neither here or there when it is likely that the Chelsea game will be his last as United manager. What I will defend, is his right to go out with a little bit of respect for what he's done for the game. The language that's being used to describe him...

The fact that people are constantly bringing Di Maria up is an indication to how ridiculous it has become. The man never wanted to come here and couldn't leave soon enough. He had no respect for the shirt whatsoever. It's become ridiculous. We're shit, everything's shit, we're poor, we are going to end up relegated, the players we ave are useless, those we let go are rivaling Messi and Ronaldo in footballing feats; dear God can we stop the moaning and show some reason for a change.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Unlimited money? He's spent infinity? Bloody hell you've done it now. This will be on Twitter and claimed as the gospel truth by 6pm.

Less points than Moyes? Well yeh, its December. Let's re assess in April. I suspect he will have more than 57, again. Well, if he was here.

So 18 months is the cut off point? What do we need to have achieved in this 18 month period? And how much money can a manager spend without it being increased on a daily basis?

I'm just trying to get an idea for the next man and his maximum 18 month stay.

Be honest, do you think a new manager will change things? And what do you base that on? I've got my responses ready but let's see what you say.

No, why reassess in April? 18 months into his reign and we have no identity. We have no idea how to play football. Why should he be given a second longer as the manager of Manchester United?

Suspect he'll be on 57? Based on what? 4 wins in our last 16 games? That's relegation form, in case you weren't aware. 9 wins in our last 24 premier league games, picking up 34 points. If we lose tomorrow, we could find ourselves 11th in the table. Yet, you still believe he deserves more time. My fecking word.

Your third sentence... How about some actual fecking progress? We've been on the decline since April, the complete opposite of where we should be.

Who says the next man should only get 18 months? If the next man does his job well, then he should, by all means, be given the time he deserves.

What has van Gaal done to deserve another minute at the club?

As for the last part, I believe we have enough quality at the club to be challenging against the shit that is Arsenal Leicester and City.

 

[NK86]

Ample time for what?

It took City £400m and 3 years to won their first PL title and they required a full rebuild. They finished 9th the season before so not to dissimilar to us when van Gaal took over.

Chelsea took 2 years to win a title, on a less competitive league and a £250m investment, 10 years ago.

Liverpool and Spurs have spent over £800m in 20 years and have won the league a massive zero times.

So how long is needed exactly? What's the standard cut off point? 18 months? 10 months? 5 years? 1 day? You tell me.

Ample time to get us playing like he wants us to play. If he has achieved that and this is how it looks then he should go. If he has still not been able to achieve that after getting in half a new squad of players and 18 months at the helm then he should go. Hope that answers your question.

 

[Santiago_KinderBueno]

No, 18 months, unlimited money spent, less points the David Fecking Moyes. How you can justify that will only serve to illustrate that your just as clueless as van Gaal.

Because look at this season. Point being dropped by every fecking team. Be that Leicester liverpool, city or arsenal.

I get why you guys want van gaal sacked. Im running out of excuses of wanting to keep him but that doesn't change the fact that this year the premiership has been calamity. We are 9 points off the top but only 7 off the top team that will realistically win it.

Thats not great but it isnt some disaster as its made out to be. Just this 4 game defeat thing has held us back meanwhile all the title challengers have also lost 2 games out of that 4 atleast.

Again, you expect van gaal to win you titles you will be disappointed.

You expect him to build a squad that can be managed by most managers then i think we are on to something.

 

[StuCol]

I think the loss of Shaw has been a massive problem. Shaw provided pace and power down the left, which helped us move defenders around to provide space for Memphis/ young to do their thing. A lot of our attacking threat early season was down that side and that ground to a halt when Shaw was taken out. It also unsettled the defence as a whole as we continually had to make do on that side.

Darmian hasn't historically been an attacking full back, and he's been in and out of the side for a variety of reasons anyway. Having a number of temp fullbacks on the right has limited what we can do on that side, especially with there being no tricky/paced wide player out there, as Mata plays more as an inside right.

I think LVG has been unlucky with the injuries, especially the Shaw one. He didn't take us into the season with enough up top though. Considering those he let go in that position, this alone weighs heavily against him in my opinion.