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Enigma_87

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I'm not sure about that. English teams weren't hugely competitive in Europe in Shearer's pomp and there was clearly a hangover from the Heysel ban. At the same time, Greaves did his scoring in an English league whose best players won the big one in '66. Obviously hard to compare across eras, but very few would dispute Greaves' status as the best goalscorer in the history of the English game. Otherwise agree with the rest of your post and have always been a fan of Littbarski.
Well depend on how you look at it. English national team didn't even qualify for 4 out of the 5 EURO's during the late 50's, 60's and early 70's. They won 3rd place in 68, but so did in 96, led by Shearer only to lose on penos.

At the WC they won it in 66, but in 90 they were 4th, then couple of QF's and no show in 94.

In the european cups the results are comparable, but with the90's format it's harder to get to the final stages as there are more top teams rather than champions of lower leagues.

But again I agree it's very hard to compare eras.

No, I wasn't referring to anyone in particular. Just to the fact that there is always outrage of this sort: "Unbeliavable so-and-so wasn't picked!" Well, as Gio suggests - name and shame. Who clearly dropped a bollock by not picking X (who is significantly better than Y)? That would make some sense: There's a huge batch of players here who could have been picked, and who aren't worse (certainly not significantly so) than a huge batch of players who were picked - but that's entirely understandable, not to say precisely as expected, in an all-time draft.

Even the likes of Pirlo can end up unpicked, depending on what people prefer and which set-ups are favoured. He doesn't effectively compete with every midfielder in the pool - you have to factor in how he needs to be deployed, realistically, and then look at who he should have replaced by rights (being clearly better).
It's all down to the system if you ask me. I couldn't possibly see Pirlo in our side, even if he was a better player than somebody else in terms of individual. For me the balance of the team and how they will stick together is what is more important rather than the name on the sheet.

Problem is that everyone has his personal favorites and it's hard to make a case who is better when comparing great players. If it is Henry or Batistuta, or Shearer and Greaves or Socrates and Kaka or somebody else.

It's hard even to measure it. For example personally if there was no restriction(in which case it's easier for the latter) but if I could choose between Cruyff and Maradona I'd still pick the former as his style fits better in my formation views rather than individual qualities. It's also pretty hard to compare 2 great players from different eras. It's easier for example C.Ronaldo and Messi as you see them both week in and week out but 10-20-30 years apart...

My first thought also before Henry was Kalle on top but he was shortly picked.
 
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William Ralph Dixie Dean not worth a mention?
I'd take him - but you know that.

Pre-war lads are tricky, though. Hard to sell in most cases and possible liabilites if you end up facing someone who decides to make the whole discussion about eras rather then individuals.
 

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Came close to picking Stiles myself and I rate him pretty highly but unfortunately he didn't fit in tactically :(. Balu would have been pleased at the exclusion of him though :D (although it's fair to say there were extenuating circumstances with Eusébio allegedly being unfit on both occasions).
 

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Came close to picking Stiles myself and I rate him pretty highly but unfortunately he didn't fit in tactically :(. Balu would have been pleased at the exclusion of him though :D (although it's fair to say there were extenuating circumstances with Eusébio allegedly being unfit on both occasions).
I actually thought about picking him myself just to make sure no one else has him :lol:
 

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I'd take him - but you know that.

Pre-war lads are tricky, though. Hard to sell in most cases and possible liabilites if you end up facing someone who decides to make the whole discussion about eras rather then individuals.
I know I know :)

I thought he might of been a good pick for this criteria and plus he was the winning striker in the British draft I think so he can people votes.

Sjor picked Big Nev anyway, thats good enough :lol:
 

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Thomas Muller is also a shocking miss in my book, we were close to picking him but viva didnt like the idea so we went with Elkjaer.
 

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William Ralph Dixie Dean not worth a mention?
Funnily enough when I was writing "Greaves is generally considered to be the greatest goalscorer in the English game" I thought I bet BigDunc magically pops up to make the case for Dean. Quite rightly too in fairness.

There is a whole raft of pre-war goal-scoring machines who deserve comparison in this type of discussion. From Britain alone there's Dean, McGrory, McPhail, Gallacher, Hamsell, etc, and in Europe there's big-hitters like Bican, Sindelaar, Sarosi, and then over to South American for the likes of Erico, Friedenriech and Leonidas. All superstars of their era who would be good for a goal or two in a draft like this. But as Chester says, it's not often worth the risk when there is often a question mark over the standard of the opposition at the time and the difficulties in showcasing that obvious quality given the absence of footage. Helpfully though the format does lend itself towards a selection of players over a wider timespan which does help to avoid the unanswerable era debates in the match threads.
 

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@Gio seems that tomorrow is ok for me. Let me know if that works as well, so we can not postpone it for longer period.
 

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Can everyone please up date this list when they agree their match days and then tag me. We really want to be able to play them within a week to keep the momentum going.
 

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@Joga Bonito realistically i'm only really gonna be ready by Weds at this rate, that work for you at all ?
Fine by me.

Thursday 4th Feb - Enigma_87/MJJ - Gio
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Tuesday- 9th Feb: Mazhar13 vs Physio & E/S/P vs harms &/or Balu/crappy vs Sjor/Viva
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Thursday 4th Feb: Enigma_87/MJJ vs Gio.
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Tuesday 9th Feb: mazhar13 vs Physio & E/S/P vs harms &/or Balu/crappy vs Sjor/Viva.
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Thursday 4th Feb: Enigma_87/MJJ vs Gio & RedTiger/Marty vs Tuppet
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Guys, there are already 2 matches scheduled for Tuesday. 3 would be pushing it a bit and might not have enough attention.
like crappy said, we arranged the game first out of the three....but lets not make a big deal out of it, im free on wednesday as well so if @Balu and @crappycraperson can play we can move our game for a day.
 

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Thursday 4th Feb: Enigma_87/MJJ vs Gio & RedTiger/Marty vs Tuppet.
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Monday 8th Feb: The Stain vs Aldo. diarm vs IT.
Tuesday 9th Feb: mazhar13 vs Physio & E/S/P vs harms &/or Balu/crappy vs Sjor/Viva.
Wednesday 10th Feb: Stobzilla vs Joga.