If Giggs is not the next manager, do you want him to stay?

[Sky1981]

I don't want him anywhere near the team, we'll never be truly off the shackle with him inside. If the team is doing well the media will push him to become the next manager, if the team is not doing well... he's still being pushed as the next manager as long as he's in the dugout. With Nicky Butt as head of the academy, having Giggs as Assistant manager would create that band of brothers, pretty soon the CO92 will creep in and start taking over. I imagine it'll be hard to argue against that kind of power in the club and will create problems later on.

Furthermore I don't see Giggs' positive influence for the dressing room, apart from the tactical ineptness which could have been down to the manager, Giggs supposedly to act as the behind the screen persona that bridges the gap, introduces the value of old United, keeping the youngies in check, so far the team has shown no visible improvement in team morale (revolting over chips, training regime, player not bothered, etc)

Maybe ambassador type of role at best

Mod: a stay or go poll pls?

 

[Varun]

I don't really care but Giggs should if he's serious about becoming a manager.

 

[Perrick Dubois]

I care neither here nor there, would be happy to have him on the staff somewhere that he is happy. I have no idea why the idea of him being at the club has become radioactive to the fans. Sure, I get the lucid paranoia that comes with the possibility of him being appointed as manager before he's ready and the rest that comes with it. But the level of grief he is getting for me has been a bit mental.

 

[Sky1981]

I care neither here nor there, would be happy to have him on the staff somewhere that he is happy. I have no idea why the idea of him being at the club has become radioactive to the fans. Sure, I get the lucid paranoia that comes with the possibility of him being appointed as manager before he's ready and the rest that comes with it. But the level of grief he is getting for me has been a bit mental.

We're having 2 years of "will or will not Giggs becomes the next manager", so having him with us does have its effect.

Off course hindsight is a wonderful thing, but there's always some part of our fans that secretly wants him as the next manager and therein lies the conflict of interest with having an employee that has one eye on the seat.

 

[Jazz]

He needs to start building his managerial career now, and in my opinion only (before people start taking my thoughts out of context) - it should be away from United. He needs to start implementing his philosophy and gaining much needed experience. Most importantly, he needs to leave his comfort zone and challenge himself. If he doesn't, it will reinforce the idea that some fans have that he's just waiting for the job to be given to him, instead of earning it.

He also needs to leave for the good of the club because he's a distraction - a bad one. If he weren't, we wouldn't be discussing him so much. All the constant speculation about his future does not help the manager or players. I would venture, that any new manager that comes in will find this extremely uncomfortable, knowing the moment things go wrong, the press will start speculating that your assistant will probably be getting your job.

 

[Xaviesta]

If he's dead serious about being a manager, he should leave United if he's overlooked as van Gaal's successor.

 

[Sky1981]

If he's dead serious about being a manager, he should leave United if he's overlooked as van Gaal's successor.

No top 6 clubs would want to take a punt on him, relegation candidates at best.

He really needs to pull a SAF/Mou type of glory against all odds to even be considered for top 6, then probably United someday.

 

[Rednotdead]

I don't want him anywhere near the team, we'll never be truly off the shackle with him inside. If the team is doing well the media will push him to become the next manager, if the team is not doing well... he's still being pushed as the next manager as long as he's in the dugout. With Nicky Butt as head of the academy, having Giggs as Assistant manager would create that band of brothers, pretty soon the CO92 will creep in and start taking over. I imagine it'll be hard to argue against that kind of power in the club and will create problems later on.

Furthermore I don't see Giggs' positive influence for the dressing room, apart from the tactical ineptness which could have been down to the manager, Giggs supposedly to act as the behind the screen persona that bridges the gap, introduces the value of old United, keeping the youngies in check, so far the team has shown no visible improvement in team morale (revolting over chips, training regime, player not bothered, etc)

Maybe ambassador type of role at best

Mod: a stay or go poll pls?

Giggs' position is a matter for Van Gaal or whoever is manager next season if Van Gaal gets the boot, not for a bunch of people acting like pre-menstrual schoolgirls.

We on the outside have absolutely no knowledge whatsoever of Giggs' abilities or what he brings to the position he holds, so screaming for his head with some paranoid rant about the Class of 92 is just downright embarrassing.

This hatred of Giggs really is getting out of hand. What next, a scaffold outside Old Trafford?

 

[Sky1981]

Giggs' position is a matter for Van Gaal or whoever is manager next season if Van Gaal gets the boot, not for a bunch of people acting like pre-menstrual schoolgirls.

We on the outside have absolutely no knowledge whatsoever of Giggs' abilities or what he brings to the position he holds, so screaming for his head with some paranoid rant about the Class of 92 is just downright embarrassing.

This hatred of Giggs really is getting out of hand. What next, a scaffold outside Old Trafford?

LVG isn't even burried yet and there's more articles about him wanting to take over

Class of 92, gary neville becoming assistant, giggs becoming manager with SAF shadowing him, giggs vs. mourinho, giggs this giggs that, there's more thread about Giggs than LVG in here, so he is that disruptive.

I've yet to hear a news about Rui Faria, or whoever wenger's assistant is.

 

[LeftyBlaster]

Nope. Common factor in our period of shite. Plus if Jose comes in, he could definitely bring in a better or a more familiar assistant he would want to work with.

 

[Robbie Boy]

No.

 

[devilish]

Giggs situation at OT became unattainable the day someone whispered in Giggs ears that he may one day inherit the job. We can't have someone in the coaching staff who see the manager's dismissal as his only chance of getting promoted. That will create mistrust and friction between the manager and Giggs

 

[2 man midfield]

Yeah but not necessarily as number two. I think that's a position that also requires experience as opposed to just giving it to someone willy nilly. I'd rather Mourinho brought on board one of his own guys as assistant and we offer Giggs a coaching role. If he doesn't like that and would rather try his hand at management then good luck to him, but it's not as if Depay's form means it's imperative he stays.

 

[Insanity]

Don't think he'll want to.

 

[devilish]

Yeah but not necessarily as number two. I think that's a position that also requires experience as opposed to just giving it to someone willy nilly. I'd rather Mourinho brought on board one of his own guys as assistant and we offer Giggs a coaching role. If he doesn't like that and would rather try his hand at management then good luck to him, but it's not as if Depay's form means it's imperative he stays.

I think we should reintroduce an ancient custom ie youth coaches are chosen out of merit not because they happened to be former United players.

 

[LeftyBlaster]

I think we should reintroduce an ancient custom ie youth coaches are chosen out of merit not because they happened to be former United players.

Not justt youth coaches. Managers too.

 

[devilish]

Not justt youth coaches. Managers too.

I find it quite unfair tbh because these are the same people who became rich and famous because United had a quality youth academy lead by experienced people who knew what they were doing. I doubt that the class of 92 would have been happy if instead of having Eric Harrison as youth coach they ended up with Lou Macari or Paddy Crerand

 

[Insanity]

I find it quite unfair tbh because these are the same people who became rich and famous because United had a quality youth academy lead by experienced people who knew what they were doing. I doubt that the class of 92 would have been happy if instead of having Eric Harrison as youth coach they ended up with Lou Macari or Paddy Crerand

Did you confuse the United red for Communist red when you started following the club?

The youth academy is not a Co92 monopoly. Besides Butt, none of the coaches or the other stuff have a last name Beckham, Scholes or Neville. What makes you so confident that Nicky is not qualified? He has his badges and has been working with the set-up for a while. What makes you think that it's cronyism that got him the job?

Did Macari or Crerand want to be youth coaches?

 

[Von Mistelroum]

No. He should leave and try his hand at management.

 

[devilish]

Did you confuse the United red for Communist red when you started following club?

The youth academy is not a Co92 monopoly. Besides Butt, none of the coaches or the other stuff have a last name Beckham, Scholes or Neville. What makes you so confident that Nicky is not qualified? He has his badges and has been working with the set-up for a while. What makes you think that it's cronyism that got him the job?

Did Macari or Crerand want to be youth coaches?

I am discussing the idea of the class of 92 simply given jobs in the youth academy just because they are the class of 92. Also forgive me for not being too impressed about Butt's coaching badges and extensive experience. The last British manager who won the EPL is now retired and those having these badges are hardly doing very well. Valencia must be thanking their lucky stars for employing Pako (which is a strange and somehow desperate move considering that Gaz was interim and he already had an assistant manager) because the Nevilles were crushing the team to oblivion. Regarding his experience in the protected United world , well, correct me if I am wrong but the U19 werent doing very well with him as their coach. They didn't qualify in the CL youth group and they were literally humiliated by PSV.

Usually people who are doing badly are sacked and not promoted unless of course they are one of the boys or the promotion is just a kick upstairs

 

[Rednotdead]

LVG isn't even burried yet and there's more articles about him wanting to take over

Class of 92, gary neville becoming assistant, giggs becoming manager with SAF shadowing him, giggs vs. mourinho, giggs this giggs that, there's more thread about Giggs than LVG in here, so he is that disruptive.

I've yet to hear a news about Rui Faria, or whoever wenger's assistant is.

And who started the threads about Giggs? Giggs himself? People in here start threads about him and that's him being "disruptive"?

Is he responsible for the nonsense written in the media?

Don't get me wrong, I have no particular axe to grind about Giggs but it's getting to the silly stage now. In preference I'd take neither Giggs nor Mourinho, but Pochettino.

 

[Sky1981]

And who started the threads about Giggs? Giggs himself? People in here start threads about him and that's him being "disruptive"?

Is he responsible for the nonsense written in the media?

Don't get me wrong, I have no particular axe to grind about Giggs but it's getting to the silly stage now. In preference I'd take neither Giggs nor Mourinho, but Pochettino.

Well. he hardly keeps his friends quiet at the media right?

All he got to say is come out with a supportive statement that he supports the current manager, something he never did.

 

[Minimalist]

I'd actually like to see him give it a go like Neville did. So yes, he should leave.

 

[Insanity]

I am discussing the idea of the class of 92 simply given jobs in the youth academy just because they are the class of 92.

Sleep better tonight, CO92 aren't simply getting youth academy jobs. Scholes is on TV, Nevs at Valencia, Becks in the States and Giggs is the assistant manager. So, no worries there.

Also forgive me for not being too impressed about Butt's coaching badges and extensive experience. The last British manager who won the EPL is now retired and those having these badges are hardly doing very well. Valencia must be thanking their lucky stars for employing Pako (which is a strange and somehow desperate move considering that Gaz was interim and he already had an assistant manager) because the Nevilles were crushing the team to oblivion. Regarding his experience in the protected United world , well, correct me if I am wrong but the U19 werent doing very well with him as their coach. They didn't qualify in the CL youth group and they were literally humiliated by PSV.

Usually people who are doing badly are sacked and not promoted unless of course they are one of the boys or the promotion is just a kick upstairs

Forgiven.

Okay, some British manager will have to win a trophy before you'll be fine with a British person given a academy coaching job? A Chilean and a Portuguese have won the last PL title, so we need to hire youth coaches from Chile or Portugal?

Pep, Zidane, Viera, Rudd, Bergkamp - were/are some of the coaches at the academies of some of the best football clubs in the world. What qualifications did they have? You know feck all about youth coaching or youth academies.

Oh yeah, hiring Pako is the reason for Valencia's upturn. I wonder why did they not sack GNev and appoint him as the manager. Would have made more sense, no?

Was it the coaching at U19 or was it the injuries and players? Since you and I have no fecking idea. Let's ask people who follow the youth closely for the answer @khoazany @jb8521. May be you right, and we need a revolt. When are you free?

 

[Stack]

I think we should reintroduce an ancient custom ie youth coaches are chosen out of merit not because they happened to be former United players.

How do you know that out of merit he isnt worthy of a job as a youth coach at United?

 

[Devil may care]

From the moment LvG took over he said this would be his last job, it's pretty obvious we had a harebrained scheme to have him build a team and pass it to Giggs. Now that is dead in the water Giggs needs to go and make his own way in management, there's no way Mourinho, Pochettino, Simeone, whoever we get as manager, will want a guy as his second in command who actively wants his job, those guys wouldn't be coming here to mentor.

 

[CM]

Depends whether or not he sees a future in management for himself. I'm not keen on him taking charge of United in the future but if it's going to happen anyway, he should at least cut his teeth at another club for a few years before jumping into one of the biggest jobs in world football.

If he doesn't then I don't mind him staying at the club in some capacity, just not as assistant manager.

 

[pocco]

The way I see it is that Giggs or Neville being great managers is the best case scenario for us. Whether that is following LVG or not.

With that in mind, I just want him to take the best course of action to getting him here if he is good enough, whether that is going out and proving himself or staying on here. As I've already said though, I'd be happy to give him a chance next year anyway.

 

[Sky1981]

The way I see it is that Giggs or Neville being great managers is the best case scenario for us. Whether that is following LVG or not.

With that in mind, I just want him to take the best course of action to getting him here if he is good enough, whether that is going out and proving himself or staying on here. As I've already said though, I'd be happy to give him a chance next year anyway.

There'll be enough time for that in the future, Mourinho or whoevers coming probably stays for 3-5 years max depending on success, he's only 47 by then, it's never too late.

But if he goes in now, his risk is as big as us, if he fails with us not only he tarnish his glittering career with us he will also be locked out of big jobs in the future, and the amount he has to prove himself will be doubled. Neville would have to be successful 3 times in 3 new teams just to erase his valencia cv.

I'd think hard if that's what I want if I were him

 

[devilish]

Sleep better tonight, CO92 aren't simply getting youth academy jobs. Scholes is on TV, Nevs at Valencia, Becks in the States and Giggs is the assistant manager. So, no worries there.



Forgiven.

Okay, some British manager will have to win a trophy before you'll be fine with a British person given a academy coaching job? A Chilean and a Portuguese have won the last PL title, so we need to hire youth coaches from Chile or Portugal?

Pep, Zidane, Viera, Rudd, Bergkamp - were/are some of the coaches at the academies of some of the best football clubs in the world. What qualifications did they have? You know feck all about youth coaching or youth academies.

Oh yeah, hiring Pako is the reason for Valencia's upturn. I wonder why did they not sack GNev and appoint him as the manager. Would have made more sense, no?

Was it the coaching at U19 or was it the injuries and players? Since you and I have no fecking idea. Let's ask people who follow the youth closely for the answer @khoazany @jb8521. May be you right, and we need a revolt. When are you free?

I strongly believe that if Giggs ever takes command than most of the class of 92 will follow him in coaching roles. It happened in the past and will happen again

Well a university is judged by its brightest students. Considering that the brightest managers Britain currently have are erm Big Sam, Hodgson, Gary, Rodgers and Moyes, well, forgive me if I would feel safer if we get someone who had got his badges elsewhere. Its not really my fault isn't it? I mean how can I trust them when not even British clubs trust British staff? These days All top clubs employ foreign managers who come with qualifications from elsewhere. Those who didn't (Liverpool and us) got their fingers burnt. Also the recent work of British managers/coaches is underwhelming at every level starting from club level, national level and youths level. Someone should really sit down and ask what the hell is going on.

Also clubs tend to avoid sacking an interim manager to appoint another interim manager. That would make them look ridiculous. However you can't deny that since Pako arrived Valencia are playing less like a joke lead by a pundit and more like a decent football club.

To conclude coaches and managers can only be judged by their results. For all I know LVG may be doing magnificent work at youth level and that Mcnair will soon become the new Baresi and Lingard will become the new Ronaldo. However if results at first team level doesn't improve than he's on the way out. Similarly under Butt the U19 weren't fairing to greatly either so as said, this 'promotion' is quite odd unless of course its a kick upstairs which is understandable under such circumstances.

 

[devilish]

How do you know that out of merit he isnt worthy of a job as a youth coach at United?

I think i've already answered that. Butt returned to United with zero coaching experience. Under his leadership the U19 weren't fairing to greatly and got literally humiliated by the great PSV. That doesn't exactly fill me with a lot of confidence.

 

[dannyrhinos89]

Should be nowhere near the club in a coaching capacity

What he achieved as a player for us was great but it doesn't mean he can automatically just sit on the bench with every new manager seemingly adding nothing.

Quite frankly it's annoying watching him sat there every match looking completely clueless when we could have a genuine proper assistant manager.

I hope Mourinho (if it's him) brings all his own staff and giggs buggers off.

 

[jb8521]

Sleep better tonight, CO92 aren't simply getting youth academy jobs. Scholes is on TV, Nevs at Valencia, Becks in the States and Giggs is the assistant manager. So, no worries there.



Forgiven.

Okay, some British manager will have to win a trophy before you'll be fine with a British person given a academy coaching job? A Chilean and a Portuguese have won the last PL title, so we need to hire youth coaches from Chile or Portugal?

Pep, Zidane, Viera, Rudd, Bergkamp - were/are some of the coaches at the academies of some of the best football clubs in the world. What qualifications did they have? You know feck all about youth coaching or youth academies.

Oh yeah, hiring Pako is the reason for Valencia's upturn. I wonder why did they not sack GNev and appoint him as the manager. Would have made more sense, no?

Was it the coaching at U19 or was it the injuries and players? Since you and I have no fecking idea. Let's ask people who follow the youth closely for the answer @khoazany @jb8521. May be you right, and we need a revolt. When are you free?

He didn't even get time to train the u19s as a group since half of them were playing u18s and the other half u21s. Using 1 game in isolation to try to prove anything is pointless and especially the game against PSV is extrenely pointless since we were missing some important players before the game, had 3 players go off injured early in the game and a couple more had to stay on with injuries. We also beat PSV 3-0 in the away game, destroyed CSKA in the home game but couldn't score and drew 0-0 and were tactically brilliant in a win in the last game of the group against Wolfsburg. Either way using using the results of games against Butt is pretty pointless since he's not going to be managing teams or making tactical decisions as head of the academy and even if his role was as a coach his ability as a manager has no bearing on how good of a coach he is. He hasn't just been handed the head of the academy role either, he's been doing it on a temporary basis and has already overseen some big changes and improvements, part of which has been to remove the old school jobs for the boys mentality and a few people have already been released. He was the first choice for the job and fully deserves it from what I've heard

 

[Mrs Smoker]

Yeah, sure.

 

[Hammerfell]

I fail to see the point in keeping him around under another regime if he's harbouring ambitions of being the manager, especially considering Mourinho will want to bring his own team in. Spend some time elsewhere.

 

[NJM78]

I would say he needs to go out and try to find a job in the lower leagues, I doubt he will get an opportunity like Neville has. Also if he wanted to stay involved at the club then why not let him manage the u21s - surely this will provide more hands on experience than just being an assistant again. Obviously I do not know what he brings to the first team fold, apart from a winning mentality and being an old playing mate of half the squad so its unfair for me to dismiss him but judging by his face on the bench and the fact he hardly says a word during the whole 90 mins, it's really all I have to judge him on.

Personally I would like to see Jose, if he comes, bring his own trusted staff and not just have Giggs forced on him as part of his job agreement.

Also I'd like to say he is my favourite player ever and even despite his off field cnutishness he is still a club legend but I just dont want him our manager until he has proved himself first.

 

[acnumber9]

I strongly believe that if Giggs ever takes command than most of the class of 92 will follow him in coaching roles. It happened in the past and will happen again

Well a university is judged by its brightest students. Considering that the brightest managers Britain currently have are erm Big Sam, Hodgson, Gary, Rodgers and Moyes, well, forgive me if I would feel safer if we get someone who had got his badges elsewhere. Its not really my fault isn't it? I mean how can I trust them when not even British clubs trust British staff? These days All top clubs employ foreign managers who come with qualifications from elsewhere. Those who didn't (Liverpool and us) got their fingers burnt. Also the recent work of British managers/coaches is underwhelming at every level starting from club level, national level and youths level. Someone should really sit down and ask what the hell is going on.

Also clubs tend to avoid sacking an interim manager to appoint another interim manager. That would make them look ridiculous. However you can't deny that since Pako arrived Valencia are playing less like a joke lead by a pundit and more like a decent football club.

To conclude coaches and managers can only be judged by their results. For all I know LVG may be doing magnificent work at youth level and that Mcnair will soon become the new Baresi and Lingard will become the new Ronaldo. However if results at first team level doesn't improve than he's on the way out. Similarly under Butt the U19 weren't fairing to greatly either so as said, this 'promotion' is quite odd unless of course its a kick upstairs which is understandable under such circumstances.

Coaching qualifications are the same across Europe. It's called a UEFA Pro License. Where it's obtained is irrelevant they've passed the same course as everyone else. Dismissing somebody because of where they are from is out of order and shouldn't be acceptable.

 

[K2K]

Has to leave the nest. Even Sir Bobby did to try out management.

But I'd love him back one day, maybe as part of the board.

 

[sullydnl]

I really don't see how him staying benefits anyone.

 

[LeftyBlaster]

Why are people so set in thinking that Giggs has to be our manager at some point? It's like they've never considered the extremely real possibility that he could be shite. All this talk about letting go for experience and him coming back later smacks of utter stupidity to me. It's like people have decided that he's going to one of the greats and merely needs time to find his way. He could be the worst manager for all you guys know.