David Court
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Yes, in my view.Really?
Maybe you could bracket him with the usual suspects like Pele, Maradonna and Messi.
Yes, in my view.Really?
None of those are considered complete players. So, I think he is out of place here.Yes, in my view.
Maybe you could bracket him with the usual suspects like Pele, Maradonna and Messi.
Best was the complete player. He could shoot, pass, dribble, head the ball and tackle as well if not better than anyone.None of those are considered complete players. So, I think he is out of place here.
I don't buy it.Best was the complete player. He could shoot, pass, dribble, head the ball and tackle as well if not better than anyone.
Freaks are considered as outliers and generally not included, but Yea maybe there are a few. Even those are best known for their best positions, I think?Doesn't every sport have a few physical freaks who clearly are allrounders and still sensational players? Lebron James in Basketball for example?
How would you describe Matthäus for example? He was exceptional as an attacking midfielder with a great goalscoring record, played the majority of his career as a box to box midfielder doing everything. Passing, scoring, tackling, reading the game, dribbling. He did a great man-marking job on Maradona, when he was asked to, and was a damn fine libero towards the end of his career organising the defense, spraying the ball as a deep lying playmaker. Isn't he a jack of all traits, just one who happens to be freakishly brilliant at everything?
Don't worry, I was just making a fat joke.Rooney is definitely all-round.
This!Zanetti
didnt watch enough of Pele and Maradona to say much but saying that Messi isnt complete is more then just wrong, its ridiculous!None of those are considered complete players. So, I think he is out of place here.
Is this a joke?Cristiano Ronaldo
Guys like Di Stefano and Beckenbauer were way more complete.didnt watch enough of Pele and Maradona to say much but saying that Messi isnt complete is more then just wrong, its ridiculous!
The guy is pretty much the best midfielder, winger and striker in the world in the same time! Dont think there was anyone in the history of the game that had so many qualities on such a high level.
Team player, unselfish and yet he scores for fun + he can score any type of goal as well. Left foot, right foot, header. His heading ability is pretty damn good but obviously he isnt using that talent often for obvious reasons.
He is fast, mobile and strong as feck, he maybe looks slim and as a kid but in a 50:50 there is only few players that i would back against him.
Dont think we need to spend words about his talents on the ball and his talents off the ball, lets just say he is probably the best false nine in history of the game, tactical role where off the ball movement is crucial.
And there is the most debatable one, his defending. Unlike his others talents, this one isnt on God level but he i still a pretty decent defender when he wants to be, takes the ball off you in a very clean fashion. I would argue that his defending is at least equal to lets say Keane/Vieira dribbling skills or Zanetti's scoring/playmaking skills etc.
At this moment in time i think Alaba(obviously not counting Messi) is probably the most complete player out there and from the history its probably Cruyff from what i seen but i watched Cruyff more then any other great from the past so it isnt really a fair fight
Debatable. Its really hard to judge someone you dont watch week by week but even if they are more complete that doesnt mean Messi isnt.Guys like Di Stefano and Beckenbauer were way more complete.
Messi is probably the most complete attacker to have played the game. His defending in games is probably why he's not on the top of the list as he doesn't do much of it.didnt watch enough of Pele and Maradona to say much but saying that Messi isnt complete is more then just wrong, its ridiculous!
The guy is pretty much the best midfielder, winger and striker in the world in the same time! Dont think there was anyone in the history of the game that had so many qualities on such a high level.
Team player, unselfish and yet he scores for fun + he can score any type of goal as well. Left foot, right foot, header. His heading ability is pretty damn good but obviously he isnt using that talent often for obvious reasons.
He is fast, mobile and strong as feck, he maybe looks slim and as a kid but in a 50:50 there is only few players that i would back against him.
Dont think we need to spend words about his talents on the ball and his talents off the ball, lets just say he is probably the best false nine in history of the game, tactical role where off the ball movement is crucial.
And there is the most debatable one, his defending. Unlike his others talents, this one isnt on God level but he i still a pretty decent defender when he wants to be, takes the ball off you in a very clean fashion. I would argue that his defending is at least equal to lets say Keane/Vieira dribbling skills or Zanetti's scoring/playmaking skills etc.
At this moment in time i think Alaba(obviously not counting Messi) is probably the most complete player out there and from the history its probably Cruyff from what i seen but i watched Cruyff more then any other great from the past so it isnt really a fair fight
the only time i've seen Messi running back to his own half, was running after Kaka... and its wasn't pretty.Messi is probably the most complete attacker to have played the game. His defending in games is probably why he's not on the top of the list as he doesn't do much of it.
Well, if we look at the question in the op:but saying that Messi isnt complete is more then just wrong, its ridiculous!
Then I'm not sure how you can argue that Messi can defend and attack. He's obviously a complete forward, but that's a different story.Talking about a footballer who could do everything, defend and attack. Who's your choice?
unfortunately notIs this a joke?
im aware that this days he isnt doing much but that doesnt mean he is poor at it. In earlier days he did his fair share in barcelonas high press game.Messi is probably the most complete attacker to have played the game. His defending in games is probably why he's not on the top of the list as he doesn't do much of it.
my mistake for not reading the OP but then we aint looking for the most all-round player. We are looking for the best defender among forwards and best attacker among defenders.Well, if we look at the question in the op:
Then I'm not sure how you can argue that Messi can defend and attack. He's obviously a complete forward, but that's a different story.
No, we're looking for someone who contributed heavily in all phases of the game. That doesn't have to be a forward or a defender.my mistake for not reading the OP but then we aint looking for the most all-round player. We are looking for the best defender among forwards and best attacker among defenders.
He belongs in the bracket of most over rated players not best all round footballer ever.Ramos
well, nobody contributed in all phases.....by the look of things we are limiting xy number of phases as long the player dipped his fingers in both big areas of the game, attacking and defending.No, we're looking for someone who contributed heavily in all phases of the game. That doesn't have to be a forward or a defender.
True, however since Guardiola left he doesn't press any where near as much as he used to.unfortunately not
im aware that this days he isnt doing much but that doesnt mean he is poor at it. In earlier days he did his fair share in barcelonas high press game.
That's not true.well, nobody contributed in all phases.....by the look of things we are limiting xy number of phases as long the player dipped his fingers in both big areas of the game, attacking and defending.
He was a box to box striker at that timeRooney at 25/26 could do a job anywhere
Ronnie Pickering.
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