When Fellaini was signed in summer 2013, I'm fairly sure Scholes was employed by the club (Youth coach along with Butt) so he's perfectly within his rights to say "we".
Scholes the Pundit
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No I thibk it was only Butt if I'm not mistaken. I remember seeing the Life of Ryan documentary and Giggs explicitly say that once he was given the Interim manager job, he called up Scholes and asked him to join him at the club.
Rooney was utter trash for a good portion of the first half of the season. That's on him.
However he has finally been showing signs of turning that around and playing a bit better recently. But it's quite obvious that he no longer has the speed to play as the #9, so if he's kept in that role I doubt he'll ever get back to an acceptable level again. If you are playing that role you need to either be very powerful, very fast, very good movement, or at the very least be a fantastic goal poacher. Rooney isn't any of those things. A few years back he could do it quite well, but with his loss of speed he can no longer get away from defenders. But now that he is starting to play better again (even his 'poor' game today was significantly better than the rubbish he was coming up with earlier in the season) I do feel he could still be our best #10.
Of course it's right. It's as right as when Moyes said that "getting to the semi-final gives you a chance to get to the final, and getting to the final gives you chance to win the cup".
Only problem is, that it neither adds any insight, nor presents a solution. Just wacking the ball at Rooney isn't going to solve anything. Martial did that, and it bounced three defenders away. We need to change a lot about how we play - the speed, directness, movement, attitude, as well as changing our manager and getting rid of past-it players like Rooney. Simplifying all of that (or even the tactical bits) to "get the ball to Rooney", as if he actually does anything good with it when he gets it, and ignoring him being part of the problem, is silly.
At his very best these days, he's average. Needs to be shown the door.
If he can be our best #10, we need a new #10.
I really loved the passion he showed he was speaking as a fan from the heart, I loved the part where he said if he put in a performance like that he'd be depressed for a few days after that's what's missing from these pathetic cowards we have pulling on our shirt week in week out
No passion and no heart
No passion and no heart
See this is how most United fans feel, and it is bitterness and resentment, and in general it is well deserved by Rooney for his antics in the past, but I am talking about the here and now, and I maintain that Rooney is still a better player than he looks right now, as is Mata, Herrera, Schweisnstegier, etc. Rooney is simply struggling like the rest of our attackers with this change of style/manager
He is on the slide, he doesn't deserve 300 k per wk (but that is hardly his fault), but to say Martial is '20 times better' is nonsense and says more about your own 'agenda' towards Rooney than Martial's current ability, Martial is a gem, and is undoubtedly offering more than Rooney at times, but he is progressively going down hill atm too, it is not a coincidence.
Quite a few pundits criticise LVG but Scholes has been most continually outspoken. Today he was livid, it was good to see. We fans need someone like him to voice our true feelings.
You could be right. I got it from this on Wikipedia:
But obviously that isn't a perfect source.
Scholes wanted Van Gaal out when Giggs was a dead cert to take over.
Scholes wanted Van Gaal to be given more time when it looked likely Mourinho would take over, and inevitably bring his own staff in. (Giggs out)
Scholes now wants Van Gaal out again because the club don't want Mourinho, and Giggs is back in pole position.
This is all within the last five weeks, Paul Scholes will say what suits his, and his mates agenda. This includes the club captain who is clearly past it, because he is the 'face' of M.U.F.C. and publicly critisising him would upset the club board.
I take anything said by the CO'92 with a pinch of salt, they have an agenda. They may be doing it for what they believe is the good of the club, ie them taking control of the team, but they are a long way wide of the mark in my opinion.
Scholes wanted Van Gaal to be given more time when it looked likely Mourinho would take over, and inevitably bring his own staff in. (Giggs out)
Scholes now wants Van Gaal out again because the club don't want Mourinho, and Giggs is back in pole position.
This is all within the last five weeks, Paul Scholes will say what suits his, and his mates agenda. This includes the club captain who is clearly past it, because he is the 'face' of M.U.F.C. and publicly critisising him would upset the club board.
I take anything said by the CO'92 with a pinch of salt, they have an agenda. They may be doing it for what they believe is the good of the club, ie them taking control of the team, but they are a long way wide of the mark in my opinion.
That's a definite possibility. He may not be able to get back to the level that we need.
But I'd like to give him the chance rather than just getting rid of him. I still think that with a proper attacking set-up with players actually moving off the ball, he'd be able to play pretty bloody well again. Not as good as he once was, but still good enough to warrant a first team spot at Manchester United.
I'm definitely with you on changing the way we play, I'm even with you on Rooney to an extent. His positioning is rubbish, his inability to move to the ball rather than away from it all the time makes me want to hit something. Standing behind defenders that are a foot taller than him, expecting a cross to hit him; infuriating. First touch of a two year old, unable to jump off the ground etc But I also agree with what Scholes said. If he's playing you don't have to whack the ball at him, get it into him where he can use it, play to his strengths. England do it way better than we do and in my opinion Rooney is better for England than United. I'm in no way saying that Rooney isn't part of our current malaise, but he's not the whole of it, which you'd assume was the case by the vitriol he gets thrown at him on here.
Agree with this in principle. In fact I'm sure the beloved Red Issue said something similar would happen, turns out they were correct.
Enjoyed his views on the match tonight, I've been critical of his punditry and criticism of United this season but he talked a lot of sense.
Wait, how are they correct. None of what was said can be proved? It's just a bunch of bullshit
Love Scholes, he knows this setup is rancid.
The club needs to sort it out, if they don't, it's clear they're only interested in the business side of the game. United as a football entity is over.
The club needs to sort it out, if they don't, it's clear they're only interested in the business side of the game. United as a football entity is over.
Loved his passion and I agreed with almost everything he said. I disagree with him re: Rooney but oh well.
I just don't see it. Like all players well well past their best, his legs look gone and his mind weary. I don't see how such a poor player irrespective of what is around him can become bloody good. At best I can see him be decent/goodish, and that's not enough for a guy who we've made Mr. Manchester United. If he's turned into a squad player instead then I wouldn't mind him being at that level. But I don't see us doing that.
It's not bitterness and resentment, it is simply being able to see what is actually happening on the pitch, the here and now, which is our captain and one of the highest paid men in football, playing horribly and evidently well past-it. If that's agenda, then everyone except Rooney fans, van Gaal, Rooney and Colleen, have agendas
We can keep hanging on to Wayne out of sentiment and his big name but it will only hold us back. Like with other too players, you have to know when the time is up. As I've said, if he can be given a different role, a less important one, I'd be less against him staying, but as things stand everything revolves around a guy who looks finished. You have to ask yourself whether City having Silva and Aguero, and us very old Wayne, bodes well for us or not.
Obviously, I was exaggerating about 20 times. But you ignoring how much better he's been, saying "been better, at times"
, and generally refusing to see how past it Rooney is, says more about your own "agenda" (see how silly it sounds) than anything else.It's amazing how the press seem to welcome everything he says.
Sense? all he did was to give everyone a recap of the situation at hand. They asked for solution and he respond by saying the Wayne a lot of the ball. Sorry I disagree with your opinion.
I cannot take him seriously when he is so blatantly agenda driven and defends Rooney at every opportunity.
See the thing is I have been questioning Rooney as much as the next fan, and I am certainly not a 'Rooney fan', I also agree that he is not close to the player he was, but I am not blinkered enough in my dislike for the guy, that I can't see, that he like the rest of our attackers are been made to look dreadful by having to play this mind numbing football.It's not bitterness and resentment, it is simply being able to see what is actually happening on the pitch, the here and now, which is our captain and one of the highest paid men in football, playing horribly and evidently well past-it. If that's agenda, then everyone except Rooney fans, van Gaal, Rooney and Colleen, have agendas
We can keep hanging on to Wayne out of sentiment and his big name but it will only hold us back. Like with other too players, you have to know when the time is up. As I've said, if he can be given a different role, a less important one, I'd be less against him staying, but as things stand everything revolves around a guy who looks finished. You have to ask yourself whether City having Silva and Aguero, and us very old Wayne, bodes well for us or not.
Obviously, I was exaggerating about 20 times. But you ignoring how much better he's been, saying "been better, at times"
My point is that saying things like I have highlighted basically applies to every single attacking player in our side atm, so how we can all really be so cock-sure of ourselves that he has completely gone at the game, like I say he could well be finished and maybe he should be sold, but I wouldn't bee too adverse to keeping him next season under a manager that is going to play attacking football again.
Anyway as you quite rightly point out he is been paid a fortune, so if he is as bad as people say where is he going to go? And don't say China
Agree on both, I would actually take him more seriously if he said we should sack LVG and bring in Mourinho
I can't take the whole punditry around the match seriously if Scholes can blabber on for 5 minutes that LvG would be happy about this match before the interview with the manager, and after the interview where he expresses his dissatisfaction the issue is ignored competely.
Rooney is brilliant and our best player and we just need to get the ball to him.
Clueless.
Clueless.
Scholes talks sense. He can see his club is being ruined. He cares. Roy Keane: complete knob, only cares about himself and "forgets" what SAF did for him. I listen to Scholes and never to Keane.
Keane loves the club and doesn't forget anything.
Keane perspective different. Keane believes it was his hard work and the rest of the players that made SAF great. He doesn't understand why players are discarded once they are used and he felt it's unfair. He believes a club success is down to the players and not the manager. That's why you will always find Keane attacking players in a poor side and not the manager.
You don't get much insight from either. I'd rather listen to the caf than the pair of them.
The Keane-SAF thing is more complex than that. Keane did a lot for SAF too.
Thought he was spot on tonight - as much as he criticizes LVG, it seems like the he is the only one there defending him. Mcmanaman was a knob, but agreed with most of what Rio and Scholesey said. The only part was saying that Martial isn't a top striker - but a 2nd, 3rd or 4th striker (which I can see a point due to his age, but felt it was harsh. Above that, he genuinely looked pissed off about United losing.
Rio kept mentioning about the players we sold - I think that is true. What I found funny was Scholes continually mentioning Arsenal happy with 4th and celebrating when they reach 4th place.
Rio kept mentioning about the players we sold - I think that is true. What I found funny was Scholes continually mentioning Arsenal happy with 4th and celebrating when they reach 4th place.
I liked it when he said players need to stop tweeting and play football.
The only thing ive mostly disagreed with him regarding was "just pass it to Rooney". I guess hes played with Rooney and remembers that Rooney hence his comments.
Everything else, I mostly agree, which is the sad part.
Also not his thread, but i really like Rio as a pundit. One of my favs BT sport has.
Everything else, I mostly agree, which is the sad part.
Also not his thread, but i really like Rio as a pundit. One of my favs BT sport has.
I thought Mcmannaman, Scholes and Rio all talked a lot of sense last night in fairness, the only one that went far enough to say the LvG project is dead in the water and should be dismissed was the ex-Liverpool player funnily enough and yes, Rio is a natural pundit.
He looked genuinely pissed off. Was nice to see in a weird way.
Just tells it how it is, all criticism was deserved last night and i'm glad he and Rio were honest about it. LVG will probably blame him when (hopefully) he gets the sack.
Honestly im sick of seeing these 'Scholes says' headlines. Yes he was a great player but he needs to let go. Ferguson is not here anymore and we will never be the same club we were when he was. Its time to move on before we become Liverpool, so wrapped up holding on to the past that we become irrelevant.
He has been annoying me the past few months at times but last night he had it bang on. Especially this.
I don't think he's stuck in the past, he's rightly pointed out our standard must be much higher. It's a massive problem if we become comfortable with how bad we currently are and as i'm sure you know we are THAT bad right now.
Our current position in the league and general standard of play is not acceptable at all, esp after all the money spent.
Both Rio and Scholes presented the opinions of the fans last night. All the issues raised in this forum and highlighting what the media has failed to do, which was to criticise from a professional perspective. Even the Scouse on the panel spoke sense. During the game Fergie looked sour faced and was caught shaking his head - so I think the board are already prepared. We have reached a hiatus, Scholes has called it "4th and a cup Arsenal" - LVG has failed. Time to begin the move to our 3rd manager after Fergie.