Yep. He will be 32 when next season starts. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that he will give us two good seasons of quality midfield play and leadership. And as you say, it was worth the risk given the quality of the player and the fee.
Schweinsteiger Suffers MCL Injury
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As demanding as it is, Giggs and Scholes contributed big time while often playing at walking pace. As physically demanding as it is, classy players often stand out even more.
Having someone like him in the dressing room is more important that on the pitch in some ways. Whats the time frame on his return?
From the club who sold us Owen Hargreaves
We did not, it's wrong to calculate it that way. The cost of the player per year is portion of his transfer fee (transfer fee/contract duration) and his salary. He pay him huge salary and will continue to be doing so. That's the reason he cost 7m, that the reason we offloaded Nani and RVP for 3-4m, nobody would take their salaries otherwise.
And if we factor it in then basically a Vidal on a 5-year deal at 30m comes at almost the same price per year in expenses, maybe just a little bit higher, than Bastian on a three years deal.
And while in computer games or fantasy football or whatever you operate with these net spending and things like that, real football clubs as any real businesses actually operate differently, under financial standards. So a price of the asset in expenses is not the money you've paid for it. Especially if the asset needs money to maintain it's useful economic live and in financial terms that is exactly what salary is.
not sure how that's relevant. I mean would you be ecstatic if we sign Kaka. Or any other player who is way-way past it?
I consider is like picking up garbage, that maybe overly harsh, i don't mean like garbage-garbage. More like a thing that is basically wasted and not needed by it's original owner. Maybe a second-hand is a better analogy.
So that's his season done then and I have to say I'm a bit underwhelmed.
For me, the biggest thing is Schweinsteiger at his peak was a physical beast. At United, it doesn't look like he's been busting his guts to stay fit, which obviously impacts his game to a great degree.
He's still been pretty much our best midfielder about half of the games he's played, but I think that says a lot about how poorly we've performed and not a lot about Bastian, who's a shadow of his former self.
I wouldn't play him ahead of Carrick or Schneiderlin at this point.
For me, the biggest thing is Schweinsteiger at his peak was a physical beast. At United, it doesn't look like he's been busting his guts to stay fit, which obviously impacts his game to a great degree.
He's still been pretty much our best midfielder about half of the games he's played, but I think that says a lot about how poorly we've performed and not a lot about Bastian, who's a shadow of his former self.
I wouldn't play him ahead of Carrick or Schneiderlin at this point.
Very true.
Plus in most cases a generous signing fee for the player and his agent.
I'm divided on this. I also wouldn't consider him a failure. However, it appears as if the prospect of getting Bastian drove United away from Gündogan. IMHO the latter would have been more worth a gamble than BFS.
If the game is scheduled during an official international break the club has to release the player and iirc a non injured players has to join his national team.
He was always going to be a gamble but one worth taking given his price, previous quality and history with LVG. If it doesn't work out then so be it.
As a lot of us said in the summer, the important thing was that we weren't actually depending on him. Signing Schneiderlin as well at least meant we'd be covered in terms of numbers.
As a lot of us said in the summer, the important thing was that we weren't actually depending on him. Signing Schneiderlin as well at least meant we'd be covered in terms of numbers.
I'm well aware of how assets are written down in financial reporting and in fact deal with the finance aspect of football for a living, but thank you for the bizarrely condescending attempt at a lesson. I was merely saying his transfer fee was a relative pittance for a player of his experience and calibre. The notion that Bayern ripped us off or that he's a flop is just not true.
I don't think Bayern ripped us off, but they had their reasons for not fighting to keep him. The reason we have now found out. It was an exciting signing that has ended up a bit underwhelming. I think in the summer it will either be him or Carrick who stays. Don't think we will keep both. Depending who the manager is we might not keep either.
We have found Woody!
Our Woody or the one from Toystory?
Yes and that too.
Our woody but the one wearing a cowboy hat is probably a Broncos fan too.
We all knew at the time that there were questions over his fitness given his injury issues but I still think it was a signing worth making. Players like him are great to have around even if they're not playing every week.
shit, bustedSome comments in here are embarrassing. I expect him on 1st July to turn up at Carrington, hopefully lean.
Fabulous more Fellaini in central midfield then with Herrera and Schweinsteiger injured.
Herrera is supposed to be back after the international break. We all know that he will shove Rooney in midfield to just play him.
Rooney in there would be the lesser of two evils for me personally.
Yip. Hargreaves when fit was a monster. Shame he just broke down.
We got him cheap So we might aswell get rid in the summer it'll hardly be noticable if we do get rid because he has been very uninspiring so far in the matches he has played he's simply not the same Schweiny he was at Bayern
add to that he's probably one of our top earners and those wages could be better spent elsewhere.
add to that he's probably one of our top earners and those wages could be better spent elsewhere.
The time out depends how bad the tear is and the article is not particularly clear on that, so could be anywhere from weeks to a season finisher. But, international friendlies, I just don't see the point of them. Not only does it mean we miss a week of club football as fans, but the team suffer injuries in return...great.
I would not have to explain it to you if you'd actually shown your knowledge in the post. If you have a good idea how player's are accounted then you should not base your conclusions of whether we paid pittance or not, whether Bayern ripped us of or not on a transfer fee. That's just wrong, that's not how things work. And you should know better.
Now if we calculate the things properly i think it's a pretty decent theory that Munich did rip us of and we massively overpaid for Schweinsteiger. He was on a last year, with a huge salary with fitness and injury concerns, also as i am sure you are aware, but i will point it for other's users benefit, he was not on Munich's books in terms of financial asset, since he was homegrown, his original cost was zero. So any money Munich does make on his transfer is pure profit. Now we sold RVP for twice as little, player with same problems, age etc. And we sold him at a book value, so with zero profit, maybe even a loss if we consider his singing fees and bonuses, i don't know whether we paid those. Looks like we did partially because loss of 7m (our player trading loss for the summer of 2015) is too much for Di Maria's transfer alone. Anyway the 3-4m pounds is much fairer price. 6-7 is over-payment definitely. That's my opinion based on other similar transfers. But that's concerning whether Bayern ripped us off or not. As you can see, at the very least it's a 50-50. There could be a case for saying that Munich got themselves a great deal.
But whether he was a big investment and a major flop or not, there can be little discussion there. And saying that 7m transfer fee proves that he was not a flop is a very simplistic and inaccurate thing to say, especially for someone who deals with financial side of running things. Because his salary alone, even if we don't buy the story that it is over 200k a week, it still obviously huge, makes Schweinsteiger a rather expensive players for our accounts.
What other past-it player will Ed come up with next that looks good on paper. Ibrahimovitch? Pele? Bobby Moore?
He's worth the money we paid for him for his twitter feed alone.
hard luck Bastian.....
could be a blessing in disguise - the management team, whoever that might be, need to be well aware the only two midfield players we have that we can rely on are Herrera and Schneiderlein
in the summer Fellaini will hopefully be sold, Carrick should perhaps move on and I'm not expecting Bastian to be fit for a prolonged period
we need to top quality signings in there..... a playmaker and a leader would be great
could be a blessing in disguise - the management team, whoever that might be, need to be well aware the only two midfield players we have that we can rely on are Herrera and Schneiderlein
in the summer Fellaini will hopefully be sold, Carrick should perhaps move on and I'm not expecting Bastian to be fit for a prolonged period
we need to top quality signings in there..... a playmaker and a leader would be great
Manchester United's new signing Bastian Schweinsteiger has not been fully fit for three years, claims his former boss Pep Guardiola.
Bastian Schweinsteiger played just 15 times last season for Bayern
He is a top, top player. Unfortunately, during the last three years he was never in good condition.
Bastian Schweinsteiger played just 15 times last season for Bayern
He is a top, top player. Unfortunately, during the last three years he was never in good condition.
Was delighted when we signed him but looks like this gamble didn't pay off. With that being said, it wasn't the biggest gamble to begin with.
With him and Carrick all but done, it looks like signing another CM should be high on the wish list this summer.
With him and Carrick all but done, it looks like signing another CM should be high on the wish list this summer.
I wouldn't mind if he never played a match for us again.
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Great buy IMVHO.
But injured himself playing a pass, not during a challenge, according to German media. That's his Utd season over for sure.
Excellent buy imho too.
It was painfully obvious this would happen. We just got mugged off with Van Gaal insisting we buy him.
Real shame, he was just about to be able to start a game after seemingly ages out!
Always the sods law way though.
Carrick and Schneidy will have to see us through then
Always the sods law way though.
Carrick and Schneidy will have to see us through then
When is one of these worth a gamble punts on older/injury prone players going to pay off?
Bloody hell lads. Hope he recovers soon. He's still our player you ungrateful sods.
It'd bad news but maybe not the worst timing. He will miss the end of this dead season but will have all summer to recover and get fit.
Is it likely there would be any terms in his contract or insurances etc for if he gets a major injury? Would seem sensible if there was.
Is it likely there would be any terms in his contract or insurances etc for if he gets a major injury? Would seem sensible if there was.
You blame it on luck when it happens in one season. These injuries have been going for maybe four years now. Just because we haven't addressed the issue doesn't means we're "unlucky". We have only ourselves to blame.