Eric Bailly | BBC say signing is imminent

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It's an international competition. Not some pointless friendly.
If they wanted to 'avoid' representing their country they would drop out.
They choose not to because they're proud to take part as they should.
Or United cna refuse to buy. Simple.
 

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Injuries can't be avoided in football, this is something that can.
Tell that to Phil Jones, whay would you rather have a player that's available for six games but injured for the rest or a player who is guaranteed to miss six games every other year?
 

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Or United cna refuse to buy. Simple.
Yes let's refuse to buy players like Toure, Drogba, Aubameyang, Essien, Eto'o etc
And miss out on potentially great players because they'll choose to represent their country for a maximum of 6 games every 2 years. :rolleyes:
 

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Tell that to Phil Jones, whay would you rather have a player that's available for six games but injured for the rest or a player who is guaranteed to miss six games every other year?
If all things being equal i think i'd still take Bailly over Jones, injuries or no and ACON or no. I really think he has something about him.
Raw yes, but dose a striker want to be on the end of one of thoes challenges. I think not. Bout time we got a bit of fear back.

Yes let's refuse to buy players like Toure, Drogba, Aubameyang, Essien, Eto'o etc
And miss out on potentially great players because they'll choose to represent their country for a maximum of 6 games every 2 years. :rolleyes:
Someone had to play devils advocate and there is no getting away from the situation is not ideal
.... so can we take this as Bailly and Zlatan done? ISH?
 

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Hopefully, we can rely on him as a very good cb. And not a rojo type.
To be fair Rojo isn't the Rojo type. We were promised a rough tough no nonsense defender. And we got a lightweight for his size.
So im kinda hoping he is more of the Rojo type we were promised and not the one we got.
 

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I'd not been paying any attention to this as I assumed Eric Bailey was just some youngster from Crewe or something, the type of signing no one really gives a shit about.
 

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Like who? Pedro? Seems it worked out good for us on that front. Mangala and Otamendi another couple of players I'm glad we don't have.

Renato Sanches maybe the only real one. Fabregas had one good season for Chelsea and LVG didn't actually want him (apparently), same with Kroos. But I doubt Kroos would have picked us over Madrid anyway.
Hazard, Renato Sanches, Benzema, Thiago Alcantra, Pedro, Mehdi Benatia, Kroos, Otamendi.
 

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Hazard, Renato Sanches, Benzema, Thiago Alcantra, Pedro, Mehdi Benatia, Kroos, Otamendi.
To be fair, the only one of those who had a straight choice between United and somewhere else was Benzema. Then there's also Lucas Moura.

Fergie pulled the plug on Hazard because of his agent. Moyes pulled the plug on Thiago because he's David Moyes. LVG was never interested in Benatia, Kroos or Otamendi, and supposedly was never keen on Pedro (and he was right not to be).

As for Renato, who knows? Maybe Mourinho thought he was too raw or wanted to focus the cash on other areas.
 

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To be fair, the only one of those who had a straight choice between United and somewhere else was Benzema. Then there's also Lucas Moura.

Fergie pulled the plug on Hazard because of his agent. Moyes pulled the plug on Thiago because he's David Moyes. LVG was never interested in Benatia, Kroos or Otamendi, and supposedly was never keen on Pedro (and he was right not to be).

As for Renato, who knows? Maybe Mourinho thought he was too raw or wanted to focus the cash on other areas.
Lucas Moura too yes.
Mehdi Benatia virtually signed for us in the papers.

The point was, last few years, we were linked heavily with players till the end - and missed out on so many targets.
 

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Lucas Moura too yes.
Mehdi Benatia virtually signed for us in the papers.

The point was, last few years, we were linked heavily with players till the end - and missed out on so many targets. (i.e excluding agents trying to get new contracts.).
I can't remember Benatia being linked to us at all apart from one tweet from Jim White.
 

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Hazard, Renato Sanches, Benzema, Thiago Alcantra, Pedro, Mehdi Benatia, Kroos, Otamendi.
Already mentioned some of those players and we dodged bullets with some of them.

Thiago was always gonna follow Pep to Bayern. Otamendi and Pedro worked out good for us. Renato Sanches was possibly lost because LVG was still here and not Mourinho.

Ill give you Benatia and Hazard though but with Hazard we stuck to principles of not being held to ransom for agent fees.
 

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Seems like a typical Mourinho player and also the type of player we lack defensively, so I'm all for getting him. Him and Smalling could be our CB tandem for many years.
 

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Lucas Moura too yes.
Mehdi Benatia virtually signed for us in the papers.

The point was, last few years, we were linked heavily with players till the end - and missed out on so many targets.
Your clearly the reason the papers are still in business if you believe everything you read.
 

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Your clearly the reason the papers are still in business if you believe everything you read.
I didn't mention missing out on Messi. If you don't believe we were interested in the players I mentioned - your deluded. :)
 

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Why on earth would the club offer a higher fee due to no champions league football?
Wages to the player, yes I could understand, but fee to the selling club, that the player gets no part of?
To price out rival clubs that do have Champion's League football obviously. Villarreal will want to sell to us if we offer more and even if he wants to join a Champion's League club he might change his mind if it's between a big sign on fee and wage increase to come here or stay at Villarreal.
 

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I doubt Renato Sanches was anything to do with LVG. He just wanted to go to Bayern.
 
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just seems a lot when you have Mats Hummel's going for half that fee and is already World Class and in his prime years..
I thought Bayern and Dortmund agreed to keep the Hummels fee secret?

The only actual reports I can find where the fee is mentioned they are talking about 30m quid for a guy with just a year left on his contract, for example:

"Karl-Heinz Rummenigge has defended the club's decision to spend big in order to lure Mats Hummels away from Borussia Dortmund.

Bundesliga champions Bayern have reportedly paid in excess of €35 million to sign Dortmund captain Hummels, even though he only had one year left on his deal at Signal Iduna Park.

However, Rummenigge believes the state of the transfer market meant Bayern had no choice but to shell out for the Germany centre-back, who will move in July."
 
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Makes sense, I could see Bailly being used at RB.
Dont see it myself. I wouldnt be at all surprised if both Blind and Rojo were sold which would just leave Smalling, an injury prone Jones and a very promising youngster in Mensah (I see him becoming a central midfielder though for some reason).

That would leve us a bit bare at the back if happened I could see Smalling, Bailly, Jones and ? battling it out for the two spots and Mensah battling it out with Schneiderlin as the player groomed to take over from Carrick longer term with Fellaini and Schweinsteiger moved on too.

Still not sure on Darmian, he looked like being a really good signing early on in the season then had a few injury problems and generally looked pretty average the rest of the season, but I would think him and Valencia is sufficient for another season at least.
 

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This doesn't compare to the Hummels transfer at all, don't really see the point in comparing them
 

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Not happening this one, just no chance. He's here for at least another season, I'd guess another two.
Well I hope you are wrong. On super high wages and he is the midfield version of Falcao. One of the best players in his position in the last 10 years, hardly ever fit enough to play and a shadow of what he was before when he does. Considering I believe he is on similar wages to Rooney and those Falcao was on, regardless of the small fee has to go down as one of the most dissapointing signings if not worst we have made. I wasnt expecting the Schweisteiger of 5 years ago when he signed, but I did think his experience, leadership and quality would be invaluable for a year or two, on the pitch at least none of those things have been evident bar literally the first game he played. He reminds me of Edgar Davids at Spurs, one of my favourite players of all time, was almost sad to see him coming to the premiership the injury plagued player he was by then. Fact he is never fit, not the same player and on such high wages would make him one of those first out of the door Id much rather keep Herrera, Schneiderlin, Carrick and Mensah and also of course Rooney in midfield which when surely we must be signing at least one big cm is plenty numbers wise. My opinion is we have a big squad, we just have half a team. If we make 4-5 big signings there are definately 4-5 expendable players in the first team squad forgetting those on the fringes, for me Schweinsteiger is one of them....saying all that I almost agree with you, think its 60/40 at worst he stays for one more year
 

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Well I hope you are wrong. On super high wages and he is the midfield version of Falcao. One of the best players in his position in the last 10 years, hardly ever fit enough to play and a shadow of what he was before when he does. Considering I believe he is on similar wages to Rooney and those Falcao was on, regardless of the small fee has to go down as one of the most dissapointing signings if not worst we have made. I wasnt expecting the Schweisteiger of 5 years ago when he signed, but I did think his experience, leadership and quality would be invaluable for a year or two, on the pitch at least none of those things have been evident bar literally the first game he played. He reminds me of Edgar Davids at Spurs, one of my favourite players of all time, was almost sad to see him coming to the premiership the injury plagued player he was by then. Fact he is never fit, not the same player and on such high wages would make him one of those first out of the door Id much rather keep Herrera, Schneiderlin, Carrick and Mensah and also of course Rooney in midfield which when surely we must be signing at least one big cm is plenty numbers wise. My opinion is we have a big squad, we just have half a team. If we make 4-5 big signings there are definately 4-5 expendable players in the first team squad forgetting those on the fringes, for me Schweinsteiger is one of them....saying all that I almost agree with you, think its 60/40 at worst he stays for one more year
We wouldn't have won the Cup without him though, his rugby tackle on the West Ham keeper to let Martial score was vital.
 

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Yes let's refuse to buy players like Toure, Drogba, Aubameyang, Essien, Eto'o etc
And miss out on potentially great players because they'll choose to represent their country for a maximum of 6 games every 2 years. :rolleyes:
I don't recall much African footballers at United in the last 15 years... do you recall anyone?
 

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Dont see it myself. I wouldnt be at all surprised if both Blind and Rojo were sold which would just leave Smalling, an injury prone Jones and a very promising youngster in Mensah (I see him becoming a central midfielder though for some reason).

That would leve us a bit bare at the back if happened I could see Smalling, Bailly, Jones and ? battling it out for the two spots and Mensah battling it out with Schneiderlin as the player groomed to take over from Carrick longer term with Fellaini and Schweinsteiger moved on too.

Still not sure on Darmian, he looked like being a really good signing early on in the season then had a few injury problems and generally looked pretty average the rest of the season, but I would think him and Valencia is sufficient for another season at least.
I think he'll get games at CB but Jose likes a big athletic fullback as well, and Bailly is very right sided like Smallling. I think Smalling and the experienced CB will be our main partnership with Bailly occupying the RB spot a lot of the time.
 

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Agree with previous suggestions of him being our first choice right-back at the start of next season. Bailly's a bit raw and frantic (for lack of a better word) as a central defender right now; and his biggest flaws include positioning (which is why he often runs around to recover from a lapse in judgement), committing to the tackle too early (ball watching), and natural defensive awareness - most of which can be bothersome if he's playing in the heart of defense, and can be ironed out only with more experience. Him and Smalling would be an odd pairing in that they same the same kind of strengths - predicated on speed and natural athleticism, but also the same kind of weakness, because although Smalling has come up by leaps and bounds over the last 10 months, he's still not a natural organizer/ leader of the backline, or a composed presence on the ball from deep. Ideally - you'd like to have a good complementary set of features between your central defensive duo, with one being an astute reader of the game, and the other the 'muscle' to thwart more physical attackers.

But as the right-back, his ability to run with the ball, slide tackle, and be a quick outlet will come in handy vs wide attackers, and he'll increase the overall stature of the back four (which will be of great help against the more imposing Premier League teams). Plus, José has shown a tendency to field more balanced defenders on the right flank in recent seasons (Ivanović at Chelsea, Arbeloa at Real) - so Bailey might be in line with that. Put a hard working winger ahead of him, and the flank would be very well balanced, and help shut down one half of the opposition's wide attack - another feature of José's teams where one side of the field is more attacking than the other (like Di María, Arbeloa vs Ronaldo, Marcelo). With Martial and Shaw on the other side, having Bailly on the right would make a lot of sense.

Limited highlights, but this was one of his best games from last season (vs Real Madrid as a right-back when Villarreal won 1-0 at the Madrigal):


Played a big role in keeping Ronaldo at bay.
Neville was able to put in a good cross right from the very beginning of his professional career, so he must have worked on it a lot as a youngster. Even during Euro 96, you can see clips of him putting in some world class crosses. There isn't as much emphasis on crossing these days in the development of players especially now that most are inverted wingers and most teams see a cross as a form of losing possession.

Giggs always had it in him to produce world class crosses, its just he was so fast.. he wouldn't have the time to take his time with it (which made him very inconsistent), he could definitely produce some good crosses and he was made to look bad at it with Beckham on the other side. As his game slowed down, he focused more on his crossing ability but the fundamentals at picking out a man were always there.

There are so many players in modern day football who you look at and they can't cross a ball for toffee and 10 years down the line, their improvement is very minimal at best.

CBJ is a naturally good crosser, he has a great feel for crossing the ball in and picking people out.. you can try to coach that into another left back but I am telling you now, he is a better crosser already than someone like Evra was over his entire career.
Good posts.
 

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To price out rival clubs that do have Champion's League football obviously. Villarreal will want to sell to us if we offer more and even if he wants to join a Champion's League club he might change his mind if it's between a big sign on fee and wage increase to come here or stay at Villarreal.
If only he didn't play in buy out clause Spain. In addition to why would anyone up their own bid, whe there's no rival? So maybe not as obvious as you seem to think.
 
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